Arsenal Debate: What does Stan Kroenke know about “Success”???

Stan Kroenke and his other “Sporting Franchises” by TN

Since Mr Kroenke took control of Arsenal Football Club, we have not won a single piece of silverware. Success to Mr Kroenke, and his supporters, is qualification into the Champions league, why?

Is this the man, under whose stewardship, we can expect Arsenal to regain its former glories? To answer that question, I’m going to examine how his other sporting teams have fared under his stewardship.

To begin I’m going to set the scene by reproducing some quotes from both here and the US, concerning Mr Kroenke and his stewardship of sports teams.

We all know Mr Hill Wood’s 2007 comments concerning Mr Kroenke: “We don’t need his money and don’t need his sort. He knows sweet FA about our football.”

But what did Hill-Wood actually mean when he said “his sort”! Isn’t that to strong a phrase to be just referring to someone’s football knowledge?

In 2008, within the Bleacher report into NBA teams, a number of Denver Nugget fans comments were published. One in particular caught my eye, it read: “I understand that this team was in need of a shake up or two, and I fully understand the organisations desire create future financial flexibility. But giving away a player like Marcus Camby for a figurative bag of spaldings is inexcusable to the highest degree”

If we alter the name ‘Marcus Camby’ to either Robin Van Persie or Alex Song isn’t this exactly what Arsenal supporters of Mr Kroneke might also say?

And what happened to the Nuggets as the ‘organisation’ strived for financial flexibility?

According to the St. Louis post, oct 2012: ‘Rams owner Stan Kroenke makes St Louis football fans nervous. He maintains a low profile that’s borders on the invisible.’ Where have I heard comments like that before?

So let us now review Mr Kroeke’s sports clubs achievements ie since they came under his stewardship.

In 2000 Mr Kroenke became the full owner of the NBA Denver Nuggets. The Nuggets record under Mr Kroenke is nothing short of ‘shocking’.

At the same time Mr Kroenke also became owner of the National Hockey League side, Colorado Avalanche. The Avalanche’s record, under his stewardship, isn’t much better.

Since Mr Kroenke’s ownership in 2000, The Nuggets have not even qualified from their division on 3 occasions. After qualifying from their division, they have then lost in the FIRST round of the western conference on 8 occasions. Their best season was in 08/09 when the lost in the western conference final.

They Nuggets have never once made the NBA finals ie while Mr Kroenke has been at the helm.

And what about the Colorado Avalanche? They have appeared only once in then Stanley Cup final ie in 2001.

And since his acquisition of both the Nuggets and the Avalanche, the record of the Rams has nosedived, they have not made the Super Bowl final since 2001.

Many of us saw Mr Kroenke’s Rams walloped at Wembley by the Patriots following his rare appearance over the Emirates.

Is it any wonder, given the complete failure of his US teams, that Mr Kroenke views champions league qualification as a success?

So although many may claim Mr Kroenke to be a ‘sports fan’, it would appear something other than ‘sporting success’ ie silverware is his motivating factor. Does this motivation come in the form of prestige, money, a combination of both or something completely different?

And why should we expect Arsenal to have any more success than any other team with Mr Kroenke at the helm? Thus far his teams have won a big fat zero!

But the question that bothers me most is this. Mr Kroenke is very successful when it comes to earning money, yet he is quite content for mediocrity when it comes to sporting success, why?

by Terrence Norman

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49 thoughts on “Arsenal Debate: What does Stan Kroenke know about “Success”???

  1. vyash

    the only players were good are: wilshere,ox and schesny
    they were superb

    we missed walcot and giroud

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  2. Twig

    I can imagine the press asking Wenger after our game against Reading next Monday, “Do you think the Capital One Cup defeat to Bradford could be responsible for the player’s poor performance today?”.

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  3. Gunnersince15

    The board only care about money and their own interest. Arsenal FC have now hit rock bottom. Next to go is Theo and then, who knows? If Jack should decide to give up on us, then that will be that and could we really blame him? The whole Arsenal set up has been like the Titanic, heading towards the iceberg. Last night we hit our very own iceberg, called Bradfor City from the old 4th Division. Yes the old 4th Division, now that is rock bottom. But, don’t worry, we are a good brand overseas and we make lots of money and the shareholders are rich. Well that’s good news……NOT

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  4. Abdullah

    Kroenke is well known for rowening sports club history and taking out the all the juice (money) from the club he run and then he maybe will take off

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  5. Gunned

    Stan is jst a pimp…….if he wud hve knwn success den Arsenal wud hve been in top 2 at the table.so stan or i shud cll u satan,u cn jst fuck off frm Arsenal wid ur Evil Gazidis and Arsh+t W@nker.
    Sorry to arsene lovers bt dats the true name

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  6. jack

    WHOLESALE changes required…..starting with the money crazy board who dont give an arse for the football crazy fans….or its gonna be like this for another DECADE!!!!…trigger something lads…coz enough is enough!!

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  7. arsenal4eva

    Dear Mr. Kroenke,

    we shud starts buying quality players, not selling quality for money!!..cause quality comes before money!

    I want my Arsenal BACK!!!!!

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  8. Matt C

    Look at this

    Szczeny
    Sagna-Mert-Verm-Clichy
    Wilshere-Fabregas
    Cazorla-Arteta-Nasri
    RVP

    Arsenal could have this team if the board didn’t keep letting our top players go every season. Instead we’re stuck with Gervinho and Ramsey in the starting line up.

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  9. Burt

    That is a very easy question to answer but somehow no one seems to get it. SK is whats commonly known as an ‘INVESTOR’. This means he buys things that will make him a profit. This is how investors make money. Arsenal as an asset is an extremely profitable one providing you dont have to spend much money on it (i.e investing in players which will not be allowed to happen). Think of him as a landlord that buys properties to rent out. They want the full return but not to have to spend much money refurbing it as it effects the bottom line. So get used to the current ‘Arsenal’ because with him as the owner, this is how its gonna be. He is NOT a sports lover or expert, he is an INVESTOR and businessman looking for return at the expense of the teams success.

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  10. THE GOONER GAZ

    stan you should sell your shares to mr usmanov now because if you run this club down any nearer to the ground your shares wont be worth didly sh-t.

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  11. randomguy

    Stan Kroenke does not seem to know that milking a club till the profits run dry before selling it is not economically viable for him in the long term. It is equal to killing a chicken for its eggs.

    Why cant the greedy board keep key players for change. If we had kept key players and value-added our team with world class players, you can already build a team, without even trying very much. This is the team that we could have had if not for stupid sales to rival clubs for a cut price. The board sold Van Persie, one of the best strikers in the world for 24 million when he is worth at least 40 million. If Carroll was worth 35 million and Torres was worth 50 million, how the hell can Van Persie be sold for 24 million?

    The team we could have had if we just KEPT key players along with what we signed:

    GK: Sczcesny
    LB: Clichy/Gibbs
    CB: Vermaelen
    CB: Koscielny/Mertesacker
    RB: Sagna/Jenkinson
    DM: Song/Diaby
    CM: Wilshere/Arteta
    CM: Fabregas/Cazorla
    LW: Nasri/Gnabry
    CF: Van Persie/Podolski/Giroud
    RW: Walcott/Oxlade Chamberlain

    Look at the depth!! Why the hell can we keep a useless Squid around for 50k pw when we cant even give a pay raise for walcott from 75 to 100k pw! Hey board members look, if you released/sold Squillaci, Denilson, Chamakh and Bednter , you actually save 200k a week! That’s a solid 9.6 million a year! It makes more financial sense doesnt it?

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  12. Bob Dylan

    U can blame the board for the years of not been successful, but u cant blame him for the defeat against bradford, give anyone the players wenger could have chose frrom they could easily get a result against bradford, its not silent stans thought that a team of international players can only get 4 shots on target against a division 2 side, the tactics are poor the mevement upfront is diabolical, and the balance of the team is not great, wenger signs the players and bar cazorla and maybe arteta and metersacker he has signed absolute average/shite players over the last few years, we all saw the players available in the summer we all knew diaby wouldnt stay fit and we needed a dm, what was wrong with diame? Even for cover he was free, what was wrong with grabbing another striker demba ba? Ask the manager, wenger gazidis kronke hill wood are a bunch of muppets, and i use to be one of wengers biggest fans but to set a team up with gervinho down the centre and allowing the wide men to be putting in high crosses is pathetic and the tactics have been wrong for a while, hence why we are not creating chances and giving away goals

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  13. LoCkAy

    Stan Kreonke has had serious problems with his ventures.

    With the Denver Nuggets he had to invest money in mass after the fans decided to boycott the games and the stand were TOTALLY EMPTY.
    HE HAD TO BRING 3 ALL STARS PLAYERS IN ONE YEAR ( IVERSON. CARMELO ANTHONY AND ANDRE MILLER ).

    OVER THERE, THE FANS WENT TO EXTREM MEASURES IN ORDER TO GET HIM TO MOVE HIS BEHIND. THEY HIT THE WALLET.

    You can say what you want, but the fact is, if you want result you need to use or act drastically.

    Those guys from the board only understand confrontations… They are too comfortable to move and we are taking the consequences of their stupid policies.

    Look at Wenger, same system, same rubbish players, same things all season… There is no innovation and creativity… WHAT DO YOU EXPECT WITH SOMEONE WHO WAS NEVER QUESTIONED BY THE FANS AND WHO IS ON £7.5MILLIONS A YEAR?

    FANS HAVE BEEN SAYING IT FOR YEARS “WENGER KNOWS BEST”… !! WELL, HERE WE GO NOW… DELUDED, STUBBORN AND LACKING TACTICAL SKILLS.

    WE ARE IN A OBVIOUS DECLINE. GAME AFTER GAME WITH RAMSEY AND GERVINHO IN THE SQUAD, YOU WILL THINK HE WOULD HAVE REGISTER. PLAYING PODOLSKI OUT OF POSITION… VERMEALEN ( HE IS JUST GETTING WORSE GAME AFTER GAME ) CAPTAIN WHEN SAGNA SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROMOTED…

    ALL FROM HIS DELUDED MIND.

    The fact is Wenger doe snot have the qualities to take us to the next level. WE HAVE BEEN STUCK IN THE EARLY YEARS OF 2000.

    One month ago they stopped contract negotiation because the situation has gone bizarre…Can you believe that they were negotiating new terms after 7 years of total failures!!! THAT’S RICH !!

    WENGER IS FINISHED AND SO HIS GAZIDIS.

    KROENKE BETTER GET OUT OF HIS RANCH AND START DOING HIS DUTY AS A CHAIRMAN BEFORE IT GETS NASTY AND HE FINDS THE STADIUM EMPTY.

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  14. manorhouse

    he’s awful & does not care for silverware. How can an owner not feel guilty about dashing the loyal fans hopes? Answer: he’s a wealthy American & feels no remorse for anything, anyone.

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  15. usmaNOW

    The depressing part is that Kronke the businessman has put us on a self sufficiency model, like we are some championship or league team, in imminent danger of going bankrupt! His real agenda is to pay off the club debt even at the expense of success on the pitch, which is happening now, so that value of his investment rises.

    He has no pride or passion on what he owns and very much doubt it that he is hurting or embarrassed like rest of us from result last night.

    He is not going to sell out any time soon so expect more of the same.

    KGB Mafia OUT!

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  16. yel

    I know many club fans who wld have done something about this detoriorating situation. Arsenal fans in the uk have chosen to stick with this bullshit..until ur ready to act, stop complaining behind the scenes

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  17. LoCkAy

    Last night we played 9 against 11 as “rubbish ” Ramsey and “retarded girl ” Gervinho were not in the game, ever…!!

    Only Wenger knows why he keeps putting Ramsey and Gervinho…!!
    It has been said that he has given up on Diaby…! Diaby played 17 games in 3 years !!!!! What a return!!!
    Alex Ferguson would have cancelled his ass long time ago, but for Wenger is an excuse to not buy a defensive midfielder.

    GUYS, THIS CLUB HAS BEEN RUN LIKE A FAMILY BUSINESS FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW WITH EXCUSES AND PROMISES NEVER FULFILLED…

    WE ARE PAYING RIDICULOUS HIGH PRICES TO WATCH TOTAL RUBBISH AND DISGUSTING PERFORMANCES FROM SUPPOSEDLY TOP CLASS PLAYERS…!!!!

    AS LONG AS THE STADIUM IS FULL, THE SITUATION WILL NOT CHANGE… AND YOU CAN DEBATE ON IT AS LONG AS YOU WANT.
    ONLY FACT AND TRUE ACTIONS WILL MAKE REAL CHANGES.

    Now, the deluded one ( Wenger ), wants to bring back Henry ( may be to calm down the fans ) and buy Zaha ( like we need another young hopeful who will never bring a thing to the club ).

    Walcott and Sagna still have to pin new contracts.

    Personally, if I was Sagna’s agent, I will advise him to leave ASAP…

    TO ALL THE FANS CALLING OUR EX PLAYERS PARIAS OR ELSE… WOULD YOU BLAME CLICHY, NASRI, VAN PERSIE AND MORE FROM LEAVING???

    THIERRY HENRY SAID TO ARSENE WENGER BEFORE HE LEFT FOR BARCELONA THAT IT WAS NOT THE WAY AND WE SHOULD GO BACK TO BRING EXPERIENCED PLAYERS.

    BUT, WHAT DO I KNOW? WENGER KNOWS BEST? DON’T YOU THINK SO?

    WENGER IS FINISHED, TOTALLY FINISHED.

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  18. Gattes Majob

    Arsenal FC has created a great team of players who CAN run around all night long like blue arsed flies unable to land.

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  19. AJ

    kroenke is a leech. But that shouldn’t mask the fact that, wenger has lost it on the field.

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  20. true goon

    At last you have started to ask the relevant questions, he’s not a sports fan he’s a entrepreneur who makes money off sports teams

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  21. get real gooners

    When are you all gonna realise that this is a game of monopoly! Stan kroanke is a mug! He wants to make money not spend it! He cudnt care less bout wat we think coz no matter how much we moan and groan the stadiam is packed wonderfully every home game!! Merchandice is brought every week! Im sick ov hearing u all moan!! U really want him out then stop going to games!! Simple! U hurt his pocket and he will run! He is only init for the money! I love arsenal so much but we are wasting our time!

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  22. frenchduds

    GOOD ARTICLE. KROENKE IS INDEED A MONEY-GRABBING RAT WITH NO INTEREST IN ARSENAL FOOTBALL CLUB.
    Lets not hide away from the fact that wenger buys the players and coaches them into performers that dont actually perform in the structure of a non-existent game -plan. Wenger is hopeless, a deluded insane man clinging on to power like some crazy middle-eastern dictator. WENGER HAS TO GO….

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  23. Terry

    the Only way anything will change is when the stadium is empty I for one would love nothing more then this shambolic team to be playing infront off a few hundred people will see if anything changes then when there not making 3 million a game

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  24. Wasat

    Sorry “vyash” I don’t know which game you watched… Because Ox was sh*t… Only players who had a good game where Wilshere, Vermalen, schesny, Coquelin and Rosicky (who made a big difference when he cam on..)

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  25. 9jagun

    when Usmanov came up earlier this season with a letter to the board that we need to keep our best players and then RVP wasnt even gone. what did most of u say?.. to hell with his bloody men.. i cant stand him stolen in money in our precious club. He is a thief. He should take is russain money..stan in the man…..NOW WHAT?

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  26. 9jagun

    do u know any time ramsey starts i always have a feeling we lost the game… what bad luck.

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  27. TKC

    I watch basketball, and Camby isn’t too great. The Nuggets are a decent or above average team, but that’s only because of how the league works (financial restrictions so that all teams are more equal)… The only reason they are considered above average is because of their coach, who’s one of the leagues best coaches in my opinion.

    Anyways, what we need is a passionate owner who actually cares about the club winning. Now I’m not saying Usmanov is the right guy to own the club, but he sure seems better for the club (in comparison to Kroenke)

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  28. Ardi

    Fk you kroenke you destroyed arsenal get out of arsenal you greedy pig We want usmanov

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  29. Invincibles nice (1)

    Sure is devastating reading.

    I remember just after time he first arrived alot of people where saying that he forseen what where going to happen to the financial climate ie banks so smartly put his money into Arsenal football club along with his many other sporting ventures, easily could be truth to this as with the articles mentioning of his non achievements and non ambitions.

    One thing i do know is that Hillwood does love the Arsenal and maybe the reason for him not allowing our club go into the red a little could be put down to the threat of a hostile takeover, Usmanov is always ready to throw money the boards way as obviously he wants manovering room.
    If these new FFP rules do sod all for the game we may end up regretting not having the Ukrainians money over seasons gone by, that is if in fact if he where truthful with his intentions.

    Really cant see Hillwood not wanting a return to the pinacle for our famous red and white so will be totally suprised if all this talk over many seasons is in fact bs.

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  30. andy bishop

    Never forget it was Dein who wanted Kroenke onboard in the first place. The board were against Dein who wanted to use Wembley for the home games…raise the club profile and spend big on players as he saw what was coming and needed to achieve success in the modern game. It was Danny Fisman who objected to Dein. The board enjoyed major success thanks to Deins efforts in getting Wenger and class players onboard. Hill Wood did not want Kroenkes type but later accepted his money for the sale of his shares. The only reason Hill Wood sold his shares was to avoid an inevitable take over by Usmanov and Dein. With Kroenke and Usmanov as major share holders in competition the share price is artificially high. Failure to win anything again and qualification for the champions league will see the share price fall. You will then see a change in board members. Hill Wood should resign and look after his health.

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  31. Alex1997

    Arsene Wenger should no longer be manager. Usmanov should replace Kroenke and if we created a Director of Football role- Wenger should assume this to maintain the Arsenal vision with a better coach like Di Matteo as the manager. Sorted!

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  32. arsenal george

    look what they did to our team….its over till the fans stop showing up….i’m sick

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  33. Gunner254

    Great article Stan is the main reason our team has lost focus..You forgot to mention his MLS soccer team Colorado Rapids who have made the playoffs I think once and they were terrible this year..With him calling the shorts expect the trophy drought to continue!

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  34. TN

    @Gunner254
    I could have mentioned them but I wanted to concentrate on major established teams, those similar to arsenal. But your right, yet another Kroenke failure to add to the list.

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  35. Gunner and sad...

    Shhh… why don’t you all planning to assassinate Kroenke? That’s should do the business :)

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  36. Johnno

    He’s only here for money and to serve his own means. He cares not for Arsenal nor the fans. As long as his investment grows he wouldn’t care if we finish 17th every season for the next ten years. Though, it’d be pretty difficult for his investment to grow if that happened, so maybe top six. We’ve gone from being top two with United, to top three with Liverpool and United. And then when Chelsea came into money it was top four, with City’s money we somehow managed to stay there. But now it’s top six. Where to next? Top half of the table will be a good result?

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  37. Kc Kaba

    I was encouraged to see di Matteo and Hughes go, hoping that Silent Stan can see how decisively other owners act. Football is about results and AW is clearly failing to deliver. His time should have been up 5 years ago. But we’ve waited year after for things to improve, but year on year our prospects get worse. We’ve turned from a Championship contender to jostling for fourth place with the Spuds,
    Pool etc. Now even West Brom are looking better than us, players who would never have been good enough for our bench are being hailed as our saviors. Year n year the quality in the club has significantly dropped. How could a player like Song once famously derided by Henry become our best player? From Bergkamp, Henry, Viera, Campbell, Lauren etc we’ve moved to Podolski, Giroud, Arteta. AW has replaced quality with average. We’ve given him 14 years to build his squad in his own image and is this it? Really? How can we be turned to clamouring for Theo to be awarded a lucrative contract? When did our met inconsistent and most frustrating player become our most important player? When did Arsenal start having an entire team of players who cannot make the first 11 of their countries (save for Wilshere)? Seriously, is this the best we can do? And what’s happened to the academy and youth players we’ve poured money into? How many players from the youth teams AW has presided over the past 14 years have set the world alight? Bentley? Merida? Aliadiere? Jay E Thomas? Lansbury? AW can blame it on players leaving but who sold Viera when Fergie kept Giggs and Scholes? Who allowed Edu, Flamini or Gilberto to run down their contracts? Who allowed Nasri, Walcott and RVP to get into the final years of their contracts? Who thought selling RVP for £24m to a rival is good business when depriving junior gunners (and future Arsenal supporters) of their heroes and idols? Or allowed Cole to leave for a mere £5k? Or failed to sign C Ronaldo because of haggling over £500k? AW has failed. His business model is not working. The EPL is getting massive TV incomes (over £5bn) in coming seasons. While UTD are getting £50m in sponsorship per season we’re settling for a mere £31m a year later? So every year they’ve at least £20m more to spend on players. Whose fault is that? Arsenal from being the most marketable club (going through a season unbeaten) we’ve been turned into also rans who gloat over commercial dels half the size of our competitors. All that is the fault of a manager who has failed to look beyond the size of a player’s fee or salary to the impact they’ll have on the club. AW is no visionary (building Emirates wasn’t his idea), he’s just a once brilliant manager who has failed to evolve. The board/ Stan need to make a bold decision and go for a younger and ambitious manager with new ideas. Pep is available, Klopp could be persuaded, or even Simeone. And get rid of D Law who’s failing to negotiate proper contracts and the chief scout in France who’s responsible for bringing average players like Park, Gervino etc while world beaters like Hazard and co, are available. Our board/management has made this club an object of caricature, otherwise how on earth can arsenal be subjected to this kind of social insolence, comparing our great club with the mid table club, There is no doubting Arsenal at present are a feeder team club, Tuesday’s humiliating defeat to League Two Bradford is unacceptable, allowing some Barbaric, Archaic, Outdated, Rejected, Denounce, accused, Excommunicated, Unpalatable, Outlandish and a Castrated blind fools to remain in this grt club as board/management is regrettable, Its a shame to those who support Stan and compare him as good and ambitious man who want the best for this club, for they’re making a fashionable jargon, Buzzwords…. Thank u!

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  38. Pete

    @Kc caba, kronke and wenger are together in this scam, merely replacing wenger does nothing, fans must keep away on match day until kronke and wenger go!

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  39. Sedo

    Hmmmmm. very interresting article.
    It is even more that, when you know, that George Karl, who is the manager of the Nuggets is considered by NBA hall of fame guys like Charles Barkley, O’Neal, Reggie Miller the best coach in NBA. In 2009 Denver was in the western conference finals with a great club, with worldclass players and great style, and now they are glimpses of greatness.

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  40. TrueGunner82

    Its sad so say but i think its the end of wengers reign here now, i feel bad saying becuase he became manger when i was 1 year old, as for the rest of the money grabbers, they can sling the rooks as well, especially gazidis, what a stupid bald c*unt he is, kronke can shove his percentage up his arse, usmanov can stay, hes an alright guy, at least he actullay wants to invest money. Its tough being an arsenal supporter. WE NEED AND DESERVE CHANGE.

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