Well that was a bit of a nightmare Gooners, and certainly not what Arsenal were hoping would happen in Germany. For some reason we were nothing like as solid as in the game at the Emirates and that did not go well against a Bayern Munich side that was in red hot and scintillating form.
The first goal was not too long in coming and it was the in form striker Lewandowski who grabbed it in the 10th minute, with Gabriel playing him onside and gifting the Pole way too much room in the box.
When Ozil scored from Monreal’s fired cross two minutes later, completing a great move down the left from Arsenal, it could have changed the game but the German’s complained and the ref disallowed it for a handball, rubbing salt into the wound by booking Ozil even though he had not seen it to decide if it was deliberate, and the speed of the ball in makes that very harsh.
That was about as good as it got for us in the first half, with Muller scoring a second as we failed to stop crosses and generally gave the Bayern players way too much space. When Alaba scored a fantastic long range third just before the break, the game was up and Cech had also made a string of good saves, so it looked like it was going to be a very long second half.
That seemed certain when Robben finished a sweeping move for their fourth, but the Gunners had looked more threatening ourselves and really should have had at least one before Alexis found Giroud in the 69th minute and the French striker took it on his chest and swivelled to power past Neuer.
It was better to watch than the first half and with a bit more luck we could have made things very interesting. Cazorla in particular had at least two gilt edged chances but the way we played against a brilliant team was great to see and should ensure that the scoreline and result do not dent the team’s morale.
Even though we could not get a second while the homt team hit us on the break late on for a fifth, the damage was done long before then and there were at least some positives to take as the Gunners need to get back to business in the Premier League.
Positives-
1. Cech is a beast.
2. No matter how much we grill Giroud, he just beat the ”best” goalkeeper in the world with one amazing goal.
3. Ozil is the best playmaker in europe.
Note – Sanchez needs to pass sooner. At times he loses the ball too much.
Realistically we are dependent on other results now as Olympiakos won their match. So lets not talk about CL at the moment.
Let us smash Spurs now.
We are never going to win the prem with our injury.
out from the champion league(only superhero can save us
and no more injuries pls we have still enoug
i hope that joel will fine.
no more injuries- arsenal?!
hahahaha
i laugh so much i wee a little
ppl can twist this any which way they want..
but we lost 5-1
wenger an those players have to stand by that shambles , none of this we have to bounce back bs.
just get on with the league an admit he made mistakes that embarrassed us and those players did too, very let down by them tonight
i will remove cech an ozil from that list- proud of what they showed
When you have a team in which the substitutes coming on are Vidal,Robben,Benatia, you know that shit has just got real.
Hats off to Bayern, they were the better team tonight and shall probably win the UCL.
“We need a response, we were naive, ee ddnt want it enough, injuries.” Blah blah blah . Just pick one of those from Mr Wengers playbook.
hes got some gems tho….
‘i did not have sexual relations with that woman’
‘u had me at hello’
‘um bungo um bungo – they drink it in the congo’
Yeah beat a keeper. Big deal.
Maybe a good striker should give us the lead most of the time.
For those always excusing our never developing young players, Ababa is almost the same age as Jack wilshere, Ox, Campbell
Anyone betting wid me that arsenal are going into d last 16. 100% sure no doubt , zagreb and olympiacos r going to be f….. Big tym by both afc and bayern
Wenger will need to buy 2 cd you all saw what meter zake and Gabriel did debuchy? You kidding me cambell sell these if we are to win these games please
I have always said Sanches holds the ball to much and he puts us under pressure when he loses it , don’t get me wrong he is an au some guy but that is his weakness. When you have a guy like Mertisaker so slow who is the weakness in our team plus if Arsenal don’t spend when they should we will always just be a nearly there. Campbell is not that good really we hope that he and other will make it,but we need mature players who have the ability now,players like Varney from Liecster and you have to admit never heard of him till this year is as good or better than Walcott,Oxy. There are players in the lower divisions stronger and as good as any in the other countries but we look into those for them why I don’t know, mabey it is time for Wenger to hand over to another mind on how he likes the game played. So it is what it is we have to hope now to win and win by 6 goals on our last 2 and hope that Beyan win there 2 if we don’t let’s enjoy the season that’s left and in the summer, let’s hope he gets at least 3 top and strong players to add. CB
Vardy would be a good buy in jan i think, £15m his price tag is and he works his socks off…. Imagine how many chances he would get playing in our squad
Vardy? Are you serious? This is Arsenal Fc. I would expect a spud to say that for that pile of doodle down the road. We’ll stick with the likes of Thierry and Van Perse (even though I hate him) quality. I would get in a much better striker.
Right then, who? Who is this much better striker that is available in January? Gonna go out back to your Aguero tree and pick a fresh “striker like Aguero”?
Im so tired of “we need someone world class, just go out and buy” like teams are just waiting around for a bid from us on their top strikers. This isn’t FIFA.
Absolutely terrible… No pressure on the ball, just jogging about, so easy to play against..
@GOONSTER
Besdies the slow start, thats what irked me the most. We gave them too much space and they were lovin it…
All the talk about we’re going to attack, attack. That worked out well…
Tee’d off about the loss and the way it was dealt out. But time to move on to Spurs…
Quite frankly glad we now know we are pretty much finished in Champions league…. Fully focused on winning the Premier league now! No excuses to not to
not too fussed about CL. given our injuries the smart (although emotionally difficult) thing may be to forget about CL and focus our limited resources on PL.
if wenger wants to win CL, he better spend some of that 200M kitty: our subs are too far below the first XI for us to keep our level when we get hit by injuries to people like theo & bellerin (we’re always missing a chunk of our first XI thru injuries)
Completely agree. We have the quality to win either the EPL or the UCL. We do NOT have the depth to compete in both and win either of them. While it’s upsetting that we lost 5-1, and it’s also upsetting that we are more than likely not going through to the knockout stages, I’m fine with it. The EPL is our focus this season. Let City, United and Chelsea play every 3 days, taking on fatigue and injuries throughout the season, while we play once a week and stay fresh and sharp. We will easily capture the EPL. This offseason, we can bring in depth instead of simply creating a 1st team that can compete. Next year is our EPL and UCL year, it has to be. Cech, Koscielny, Cazorla. They aren’t getting any younger.
What’s wrong with you guys saying glad out of it, try telling that to the players it’s playing in the champs lg that brings in the best,so if we do Qualify and it’s next year for the knock out stage and by then we may have strengthened the squad, and players back from injuries. That’s a defeatist remark yes we are poor now but when normal buisness resumes we will be there,it’s just at the moment you can tell who is the week players and the back up is poor standard. If the injuries to Ramsey,Walcott Oxy Bellerin Welbeck had not happened,we would not have known how weak the squad is I hope Wenger looks now at more quality players and not young cheap ones that he thinks he can turn into a Henry,Winterburn,Adams,Pieres it’s not gonna happen. CB
Let’s just hope Bayern spank Olympiakos and we beat Zagreb. Then we can go and have our decider with Olympiakos.
Difficult but not impossible.
Positive thinking
Shame we didn’t have a bit more of that on the field!
We gave them all the time in the world and let them look like they were training attack v defense.
Yes, we had some chances ourselves but our lack of quality, strength in depth and ball watching team deserved to loose against a team who go out to play the game.
#thouroughlyPissedOff-althoughNotCompletelySurprised
Ohh Past is Past lets focus on NLD now
As we are as good as out of CL
All hopes of qualifying is lost now!
If Bayern beat Olympiakos and we Zegrab, it would mean that we would qualify if we beat Olympiakos by two goals – I think that is doable.
Why do you want us to qualify? So we can get a fat cheque we won’t spend in the summer? To dwindle further our barebones squad further(did you see our bench?) and therefore impact our chance of competing for the PL?
I’m sure the board want it to happen but I think we can do without it myself as it gives us nothing but revenue.
Exactly! I mean we had beaten them before but goihg as visitors to munich. ..
The scenario was and is: beat munich at the emirates and beat olympiakos and Zagreb next games…
Can Ramsey play Santi’s position instead of RW?
So that he can spray misplaced passes all over the place, init
I would like Ramsey given s shot there. Even if he comes on at 70 minutes let him play where he can perform because at RW I would rather Cambell Ox and most certainly Theo.
What about the injuries
We are now out, europa league here we come
@Dewan Jones
Hey. It’s a trophy also…Why not go for it.
Why not , its still european competition
for losers
@ks-gunner
Only in your neck of the woods do they give out trophies to losers…
which will end our title hopes
thursdays in translyvania means we will be too tired for prem games at weekend
sigh
@muffdiver
Not if we use bench players in it…It would give them some game time, which might help us out in the league or another cup down the line. We also might just pip some silverware in the process…IJS
you never know it might do some of our players some good to do well in the Europa to give them the confidence to go further in the champions league ….. similar to how Henry and co did in 99 season
We re not.
Difficult ? Yes
Impossible I b don’t think so
We never seem to look convincing against any half decent high intensity teams, sorry, but we have no control at all.
It’s frustrating..
I said so before this match that we must not try to absorb pressure and wait for counter, i said we needed to attack from start but we chose to defend knowing they will attack us a lot. defending won the game for them in the first half. ya’ll saw the difference when took the game in the second half. Metersacker needs to be sold. He’s top old for this, Fair play to Bayern. Again i am right, we shouldn’t have tried the parking of bus in this game.
Well looking forward to a bright response this weekend against spurs
When you have a team in which the substitutes coming on are Vidal,Robben,Benatia, you know that stuff has just got real. 😀
Hats off to Bayern, they were the better team tonight and shall probably win the UCL.
The board told wenger he could keep his job as long as he qualifies for the round of 16 each year and finishes the top 4
Wenger s job in jeopardy
@goonthinker
You wish…Lmao!!!
Are we cursed ? This is the third time we’ve faced a Guardiola team away and had an opportunity to score early disallowed by a ref. But what annoys me the most is our injuries have affected our ENITRE right side, no walcott or chamberlain to pressure the defenders, no ramsey to help with our attack and defence, and no bellerin or koscielny who are part of the back 4 that’s been getting us clean sheets. Why do our injuries ALWAYS happen at the WRONG time ??
Sorry about what happened. But it could have been handled during the summer transfer window.
Let’s simply forget about the UCL. I hope we don’t make Thursday night football. Let’s just focus on the BPL.
What say ye?
I will put Joel Campbell up for sale tonight if I was Arsenal manager.
@Twig
Thats harsh dude.
No, it’s not. If Walcott, Welbeck and the OX are fit, he’ll hardly get a game.
If I was manager wellbeck wouldn’t get a game;)
Campbell is not going to be a Arsenal leg like his namesake that is for sure!
Great display from the bavarians. Unto the next one – NLD. #coyg
We don’t deserve to go any further in champions league…we are just not good enough.
At least Giroud is scoring…we need him currently
Sanchez is so off form its worrying me.
I still say we must sell Mertesacker
Campbell ain’t good enough for champions league
We shot ourselves on the foot by not buying additional outfield players.
At least the team won’t be complacent against Spurs
Being out of the champions league is a blessing in disguise.
Sanchez does not score when giroud is on the pitch. Get it.
Giroud does not make runs. He congestion the space and stick to defenders like house fly on shit.
Giroud does not create space for the runners. It is no fluke that he was scoring when theo was on the pitch.
Hope bellerin and kos come back 4 spurs game, cant stand debuchy and mert again in our lineup
Difference between us and Bayern – They bring on Vidal and Robben and we bring on Gibbs as a winger, and Iwobi. The difference in quality is massive.
Don’t get me wrong, Bayern are a fantastic team, and it was always going to be tough with the amount of injuries, but we were really poor today. Attacking wise, big improvement second half, but only after the game was completely over.
Got to question the tactics as well. If you’re going to sit so deep, why on earth play the offside trap in your own box?! I don’t even blame Gabriel for that first goal, because those orders would have come from Wenger. There’s no need for the offside trap when you’re that deep, just mark the opposition.
Just hoping for some nice mash potato at the weekend now.
The fact that we lost by 4 goals has hurt us big time
Bayern 9
Olympiakos 9 (0)
Arsenal 3 (-4)
Zagreb 3
Even if Bayern beats Olympiakos and we beat both Olympiakos and Zagreb, we still need to beat them by a few goals to beat olympiakos on goal difference baby please
Anyway, we can do it BUT
Lets focus on Spuds now
We can do it… but is qualification really in our best interest with the injuries and squad we have???
A closer scoreline would of been fair, created some great football.. bayern were simply unstoppable. Giroud and ozil played really well and some of le coqs footwork was cazorla like. Really need to address these injuries though. It’s ridiculous. Hope boss and bell are back for spurs. Support my gunners through thick and thin, happens to be a thin moment, let’s keep our heads high! Coyg..
Best thing now will be for us not to try to get through. We only have 11 players and can do with the rest for the FA cup and EPL and please pep come to Arsenal when AW goes up stairs plz. Great manager and no one will better them. Well done BM!!
I keep saying that Cazorla and Ozil should not play in the same team against top clubs.. We need a real CM on there..
So which real CM would you have played tonight?
Best thing now will be for us not to try to get through. We only have 11 players and can do with the rest for the FA cup and EPL and please pep come to Arsenal when AW goes up stairs plz. Great manager and no one will better them. Well done BM
S/o to all the Really Arsenal fans who stayed and watched the game even after going 2-0 down and the game was lost. I don’t expect our morale to be affected by this defeat. I feel Ozil and Giroud were excellent tonight. why can’t Giroud play like that every week?? Now let’s look for a response against the spuds and seek redemption. hey, we are still on top of the league 😉
#COYG#AFC
just what we needed!………. Thursday night Football……….. I’m okay!…….
it seems like our first eleven is very good but when we start getting injuries it becomes a problem..what a poor performance..if we cant be at the same level as europe elite clubs then we dont deserve being in the champions league.
@a star. Name all the european elite clubs
Watching the game I felt , after the injuries we are only concentrating on the premier league . Kos on the bench clearly signaled so . I will not complain as long as we keep pace with city
One look at the subs bench and the writing was on the wall. Wenger knew was he was doing.
They consider head to head bro.
Please tell me this scoreline is fake ?
Can’t wait for the weekend to forget about this game .
What did you all expect? This team of ours has no place in the Cl. We need to buy way more. Not that kind of buys to p…. off fans but the likes of Douglas Costa. And dont give me that bs of, but Wengers says there arent any good players to play from.
buy from*
A disappointing game. Perhaps, Wenger should have played both Flamini and Coq in the middle, and move Ozil to the right. You have to respect the opposition. Wenger underestimated Bayern. Arsenal should buy Wanyama and Nolito in January. Wenger should take responsibility for our injuries. Something is wrong with his training methods. Just Buy Nolito and Wanyama in January irrespective of players coming back.
We can still qualify.. but ucl is least of our problems atm. We need to focus fully on the league. There is no way we have a squad that will go a long way in both epl.and ucl. We need to.pick our priority and that’s clearly the premier league. On that note, let’s smash spurs on Sunday and remain at the top of the league and hang in there till oX walcott Ramsey wilshere rosicky welbeck arteta all return. Then we can think of winning the league from there on.
When we have Cech, Bellerin, monreal, Koscielny, Mertsacker, Coquelin, Cazorla, Ramsey or OX, Alexis, Walcott (and Giroud as supersub) we are fine.
But we are missing players we are in trouble
We are fine with depth of quantity but not depth of Quality. More reason why Wenger should have bought top outfielders in summer
City were wise to get Sterling and Bruyne as they have played quite well without Aguero and Silva
Just an opinion
Super sub?
Bad night, but we’ve got out of worse situations.
As we stand.
Olympiacos 9 points and +4 goal diff
AFC 3 points and 0 goal diff.
Olympiacos have to face Bayern in Munich next and I don’t see the Germans losing at home. We play Zagreb.
Table after that…
Olympiacos 9 points goal diff +2 (assumes Bayern wins 2-0…quite possible)
AFC 6 points and goal diff +2 (assumes we win 2-0…quite possible).
It’ll come down to the last game. It ain’t over yet. If we win just 1-0 then the table will be
Olympiacos 9 points goal diff +1
AFC 9 points and goal diff +3
I think we still have a realistic and good chance to qualify.
COYG why all this negativity after loss!…now pple are saying don’t play Santi n Ozil together,seriously? i didn’t hear for last 2-3 weeks.
Are we the only so called Top European club that keeps getting humiliated by the other Top clubs?
When we capitulate we really do capitulate.. Absolutely embarrassing..
Maybe we’re not a top European club .
We are, but we pretend to be small.
Pretty much went according to script. No fraud can trick his way towards some kind of miraculous CL winners medal. Highlighted this last time around, that win was a “win” to nowhere. Happy with the humiliation and would endorse further ruthless exposure of this uncompetitive representation for a team; until such a time the fraud managing AFC is hacked back to France.
One competition down, 2 more to go(4th place, and FA cup). In the fullness of time, everyone will find their level.
Wenger out!
We are not out yet if we beat olympiakos and zegreb we will qualify because bayers will surley beat olympiakos
Joel campbell needs to be sold, along with the other deadwoods
Europa league awaits us. Next time we wouldn’t have much players in the injury room. We deserve what happen to us. Time to focus on premier and europa league. That’s for sure!
For the mathematicians hoping for a miracle that olympiakos won’t get a point again, don’t get ur hopes up, cos arsenal are experts at denting hopes. We might get hammered in greece. Just don’t hope 4 a miracle
Well well well,that defeat serves wenger and his worshippers right. Not long ago,someone new to this site would have thought Arsenal have just won the double.A run of a few wins and Akbs were out in full force. But all along I saw this coming and I even said earlier we are going to get thumped.
Bayern,who strolled to the bundesliga title last season, still went out and bought players,including the wonderful Douglas Costa
Arsenal, who finished 3rd, 12 points behind the leaders, bought NO SINGLE OUTFIELD PLAYER,despite it being a well documented FACT that we have the most injury prone players in the entire world.
Just how many times does wenger have to repeat his foolish mistakes for people to realize he isn’t capable of taking this club any further? Sleep on it folks
@antiwenger(like that handle btw)
Applause!!!!!
Yes very well said. Quality players are a must. We bought no one – they bought Costa and Vidal.
Now put costa and Vidal in our team and the whole thing changes. Yes we have a lot of injuries, but we have had a lot of injuries for years, so be fracking prepared and have quality in depth.
At the end of the day, if Wenger had brought in 2 quality players in the window, we would have been much better off in the EPL and the CL, its as simple as that. We would have had more depth, more quality, more competition and that would have meant more points, and more of a chance to win something. There is NO excuse for not buying players none.
What is it with some of you?
At present we’re a third of the way through the season and are joint top of the most competitive football league in the WORLD. We’ve performed in every match bar our two openers in the champs league and our first premier league game. Carling cup was a second string team.
We’ve just knocked up our fifth straight pl victory thrashing Utd in the process and beat Bayern Munich two weeks ago in the Cl.
Oh yeah and we’ve got what 5, 6, 7?? first team players out!!
Recognise the improvements and give AFC a break…and do have a bit more class than to rubbish Wenger and the club on the back of a defeat against consistent finalist in the Cl, the annual runaway winners of the Bundersleague, and arguably Europes top football team….who we beat at home two weeks ago.
why are Bayern Europe’s top team? Why aren’t we? Why did they buy Vidal and Costa, after dominating their league and the CL and why didnt we? The salaries are less in Germany, London is a much better place to live, so we can pay them more and give them a better place to live and we didnt even bother to bud for these guys.
Look if Wenger deserves praise, we will give it, but when he completely and utterly fracks up like he did in the transfer window, we will make our remarks. This is our forum, all of us.
So be classy and enjoy the different opinions.
Spot on Jimbeam ?
why are Bayern Europe’s top team? Why aren’t we? Why did they buy Vidal and Costa, after dominating their league and the CL and why didnt we? The salaries are less in Germany, London is a much better place to live, so we can pay them more and give them a better place to live and we didnt even bother to bud for these guys.
Look if Wenger deserves praise, we will give it, but when he completely and utterly fracks up like he did in the transfer window, we will make our remarks. This is our forum, all of us.
So be classy and enjoy the different opinions. Cheers
And that’s the problem. .. 5,6,7…. And?…
what? … This isn’t Sesame Street my friend ?
But try 9!!!! It could reach 10 , If Koscielny is out of the NLD.
As someone who watches bayern regularly i can be unbiased and say that we had too many obstacles in our way today to beat bayern. Injuries, we didn’t have a style of play today to win, no counter because of injuries to key players, we couldn’t press them and keep a highline because of merts pace, and also our right side couldn’t keep possession, Campbell and debuchy.
Guardiola won the tactical battle because he put muller to roam untracked in the middle and replaced alaba with javi Martinez at cb to win more aerial duels against giroud and at the same time terrorizing our fragile right side at left back. Also we mentally thought that we were inferior to them, in hindsight we probably should have started Gibbs on the left and dropped Campbell, one positive is that arsenal are gonna bounce back against the spuds, coyg.
Wenger’s a muppet ✌
If he really wanted the draw,
he should have tried parking the Bus instead of the bicycle.
And at 3nil down at half time, he should have took the spuds game into consideration and took off 3 key players!
The spuds play tomorrow night and you can be sure that they will be resting all their key players!
I noticed that wenger is keeping a low profile with our injury updates. … “Bellerin has a SMALL groin injury” ?
that means he is out for a month at least!
Koscielny is out too… he only sat on the bench because steve Bould wasn’t registered to play! ?
I’m just waiting to see who else is injured from tonight’s game!
To compete with the best team Arsenal needs the full first team squad available which includes the bench as well.
Scoreline was a bit harsh though, 4-1,4-2 or 5-2 would have been fairer. Will Cazorla ever get better chances to score a UCL goal for Arsenal, except a penalty?
Also what is with Mertesacker trying to make himself as thin as possible when trying to block a shot when standing.
We can still go through, but it will be difficult to win by 2 goals if not 3-2 or higher scoreline with 1 goal margin against Olympiakos away. Bayern even scored 3 away against them even then it took them well in the 2nd half to break them down properly.
I didn’t understand the thinness either.
9 injuries against the best team in the world.
Didn’t need to watch that game to know it would’ve been a catastrophe
Excuses! Excuses!! That’s what we are known for… I know if we play Citeh with these squad and they win, we’ll come back here and cry “Oh if only our squad was fit and complete”. Take a look at our Bench today, it was an insult to Champions League. Macey, Iwobi, Chambers, these players cannot even start a game in Newscatle UTD.
I fear the result with those cowards in the lane on sunday. Excuses are not allowed.
bad decision to play joel campbl. he was to slow and couldnt play defensively
The best assessment we can give our reserve squad is to play them as a team in the final game/s of the Champions League. We must preserve our first eleven, we don`t have the depth of quality to compete in Europe and we are not alone. Having done this big decisions have to be made.
“Just what are our targets” and how much will it cost? Also, is it worth it?
Alexis Sanchez is back to his sh*tty self. Mistimed passes, sh*tty defending, failed dribbles…..
He has the confidence of messi and talent of hazard… how many time does he have to the ball in our own half till we get punished… His ‘defensive’ workrate is a load of BS… He has no anticipation of positional awareness…. works on ‘thirsty? dig a well’
What’s more depressing is that wenger doesn’t have the balls to bench his star players (currently no options as well sadly)
Alexis Sanchez is back to his sh**ty self. Mistimed passes, sh***y defending, failed dribbles…..
He has the confidence of messi and talent of hazard… how many time does he have to the ball in our own half till we get punished… His ‘defensive’ workrate is a load of BS… He has no anticipation of positional awareness…. works on ‘thirsty? dig a well’
What’s more depressing is that wenger doesn’t have the balls to bench his star players (currently no options as well sadly)
Even if arsenal paraded our best eleven tonight, we might still be beaten, Remember this same Baryern once trash Barca with their world class players including messi 6 – 0 first leg, 3 – 0 2nd leg. Mathematically, we can still qualify. About injury, we must reduce d number of English players in d team, wilshere, ox. Theo, welbeck. Always injured, Cambel to go on loan. Saches need to stop loosing ball anyhow. Am happy with cesc. Giroud, n Ozil. But Cazolar uhnmmm don’t kno wat to say about him.
Third Kit an Debuchy – unlucky charm for arsenal.
Not sure if we have won any match playing with the third kit.