Besiktas v Arsenal review – Ramsey red leaves Gunners glad of a draw!

Arsenal went in to the first leg of the Champions League play-off against the Turkish side Besiktas knowing that they would be in for a tough and vitally important game. With Slaven Bilic leading the Turks to an excellent victory over the Dutch club Feyenoord in the last round and with the Gunners squad missing a few key players, we could not afford to switch off.

And that was evident from the very start, literally, with Demba Ba hitting the cross bar from the kick-off. The former Newcastle and Chelsea striker was definitely up for it, although young Calum Chambers handled him well for most of the first half, right until a slip allowed Ba a great chance which he screwed wide just before the break.

They were lively and put Arsenal under real pressure, but we carried our own threat, with Wilshere and Sanchez looking especially lively, while Ramsey produced a fantastic pass for Giroud. Our big front man was still looking rusty after the summer though and it was all square at half time.

And it did not get any easier, with a bruising second half that Arsenal will be glad to get out of. We could easily have lost the game, although Oxlade-Chamberlain nearly won it with a great bit of trickery and fierce shot, which the Besiktas keeper brilliantly tipped onto the post.

We just have to win at the Emirates, but losing Aaron Ramsey to two yellow cards has made that a lot harder. Still, you would expect us to be much better next Wednesday and we have got to be favourites. It could have been so much worse, gooners.

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253 Comments

  1. How is Giroud still our first choice striker? He was so bad that i dont even know how to describe him. Alexis NEEDS to play as a striker since both our strikers are either injured or being a lamp post. #SpeedMatters

    Carzola has played two very shocking games in a row now. Surely he will be dropped now for Campbell or The Ox???? PLS

    Hopefully Artetas injury will force Wenger to buy a top DMF.

    1. That was the worst performance by Giroud I’ve seen. Chambers keeps impressing though!
      Giroud Santi arteta flamini nacho has to go if we want to win the cl or the pl, not good enough

      1. Can anyone tell me how many on-target and off-target attempt will have with OG as our CF today? It is unfortunate that our CF makes this match difficult for us. We still have 12 days for transfer market to close, please Arsene Wenger do something meaningful again because i, personally is tired for OG as Arsenal major prioritize striker!!!

        1. If Giroud is our only striker come September, no one on this site has any right to even mention the tittle.

      2. What baffled me the most is why every player in red turned into Wilshere. Ramsey, Arteta, Cazorla etc. held onto the ball for far too long, poor performance, a draw is a good result for the way we played. I don’t care what anyone says, we really miss Ozil’s ingenuity and creativity, I don’t even care if he doesn’t get assists/goals, he just knows when to let go of the ball.

        Szczesney
        Debuchy – Mertesacker – Koscielney – Monreal
        Chambers
        Chamberlain – Ozil – Campbell
        Alexis – Podolski

        Change it up, because we’re running dry of attacking flair by the looks of things.

        1. We miss Ozil’s ingenuity? I have not seen any of it since he has been at Arsenal, none whatsoever. Didn’t see it when he played for Germany too.

          All our players have to step up.

          1. What are you talking about Ozil hasn’t done anything since he’s came to Arsenal? He’s created the most chances for our club! How many chances were created today? How many shots were on target today? You can probably count that on your fingers and that’s not a good thing! Man City we played well, but we barely beat Crystal Palace and today’s game was a joke offensively. We need him back.

      3. This is ridiculous. I think fans here have no idea of football works. Giroud is still not up to speed – that is clear. But most of the game Giroud was standing alone in the box with 7 defenders around him. What do you expect?

        This game was Wenger’s plan, to play defensively and hope for a magic moment. If you don’t like it, talk to Wenger.

        Have you ever even seen a football game before? I feel like some fans here think as deeply and logically as little children. Is there a children’s section maybe you could go to?

        1. I agree, we couldn’t play our passing game due to the pitch being bobbly, the home support and awful stadium conditions. It is a good result and we should finish them at the Emirates. Giroud had no service and no chances. The first ‘chance’ he had Messi wouldn’t score. The defender blocked any shot and the second time Giroud saw the ball late but couldn’t reach it. Wilshere impressed me and Alexis and Debuchy looked sharper.

        2. U r d only one that knows how football works. Let’s continue making excuses; this is Besiktas’ 1st competitive game yet Ba was lively, is Giroud d only player that went on summer break? I wonder when we will realise that Giroud doesn’t just have d ability, am not talking abt scoring goals, d arsenal way u need to able to keep d ball in those dangerous areas yet every time the ball gets to him he tries a flick that works 1 in 100 trials, hence loosing possession. I have seen arsenal strikers through d years; even Adebayo when we nicknamed him Mr miss it, the all were comfortable on d ball but Giroud? I really wonder if wenger watched him before signing him

          1. Most fans know how football works – just not some fans who choose to come and whine on this site when things don’t go their way. Or maybe they know how football works but just choose to succumb momentarily to some emotionally immature outburst which skews their judgement.

            I am not worried, however, by tomorrow the adults or the adult-nature of fans will be back and more reasonable comments and more well-thought-out criticisms will prevail.

        3. go away you and people like you who still support giroud and his hold up play, defending in attack and whatever you call that!!! guy couldnt pass the ball wright, cannot shot, not just he missing chances but he miss the ball all the time, slowing the tempo, no pace no speed old story, on one on one no way he can pass the player, dribble like my grandma… and you tell me how the guy with this attributes can be no.1 striker and play in the best league in the world and probably one of the best clubs in the world… as long as i am alive i would ask myself how giroud stray in arsenal and be no.1 striker… even my little cousin make a jokes about him, its obvious like a day… guy is laughingstock!!! you must be blind if you think he is a good player… if you ask any player about him he would tell you the same… i bet demba ask himself after that game how he play in besiktas and giroud in arsenal, demba is romario for him, invented football for him… i dont know who is worst bendtner or giroud.. i would go all day long for bendtner to be our striker, guy give me a good laught anyway… giroud driving me crazy!!! I can go on like this indefinitely!!!!

          1. bla bla boa go away and let me act like a little child without interference blah blah blah giroud is slower than grandma blah blah blah.

            wake me up when you are finished. i dozed off for a minute.

        4. Alexis was free several times, waiting to play in a cross, nobody in the box. Not that giroud should take blame for that, but you’d expect your target man to know when to make a run into the box. Giroud produced NO holdup play. Was that part of Wengers plan? For Giroud to lose the ball 9/10 times he had it? Not the only one to blame for today, but was a clear poor performance, but not the only poor performer today.

    2. What a disappointing game! We were too ordinary. In the end we are without Arteta and Ramsey. Maybe now Wenger shall see the need to buy DM, RB and CB and a striker. Nacho Monreal is not a RB. PLEASE ARSENE LISTEN TO OUR PLEAS AND STRENGTHEN OUR TEAM.

    3. I stated Arsenal are winning no Premier league or Champions League a week ago and fellow gunners thumbed me down. We need to stop talking both sides of the mouth. — When Arsenal wins a game … “Giroud is excellent, hold up play, etc etc”. When Arsenal lose or draw a game they should win —– “Giroud is shit, etc etc.
      IF WENGER OPENS HIS EYES THIS SHOULD BE OUR LINE UP

      SANCHEZ/WALCOTT (STRIKERS–Sanogo, Giroud–Reserve)

      CAMPBELL (Must not be wasted on bench) OZIL/OXLADE
      CAZORLA
      RAMSEY (10)

      WILSHERE/fabregas (If wenger had not stupidly rejected him)

      NEW DM/FLAMINI/ARTETA-Reserve

      GIBBS KOSCIELNY CHAMBERS (AWESOME) DEBUCHY

      With this excellent title chance… What do you think?

  2. We will still go through if we play well at home. But the league isn’t as forgiving, in some games you get 1-2 chances in the whole game – and that’s where Giroud will cost Arsenal!

      1. dzekos ability to finish with his left toe pinky>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>giroud’s ability to finish with quality service

  3. When will Wenger learn that:
    1) Giroud CAN’T be our main striker
    2) we need to play with a proper left winger
    3) we need PACE?!?!?!?!?!?!

    1. i said that earlier on before the match no pace on the wings is bringing yourself in trouble. Also has wenger heared of SUBTITUTES EVER????????????????

    2. LW is not a problem! Our defence is not solid enough. Nacho Monreal is scary. Another injury or red card at the back then what? Like I said, we haven’t added to the squad in real terms. We’ve lost Sagna and Vermalean, and brought in Debunchy and Chambers at the back. Now Gibbs is out injured. Alexis is a brilliant buy but we need movement in front. GIROUD today frustrated me and made me lose faith in him. We want players whose presence makes the opposing defenders shiver. Arsene give us Pls!!!! Otherwise after what we saw tonight, there’s very little or nothing for us this year.

      1. I thought our defense played find today. I thought Monreal played well and Debuchy did decent. Then our CBs Chambers or Koscielny will prob be man of the match again, which shows how bad we are up front. I was very keen on fixing our defense earlier, but I have changed my mind. If Giroud can’t put any shots on goal, we need another striker and we need one NOW. Seriously, did he put any shot on goal today?

    1. Had to post this as top as I can:

      Giroud played probably the worst game in his Arsenal career but so did many others as well.

      But note this: I ask anyone who reads this, remember the days when you lot used to play/still play any sport ever and remember if there was this guy who always failed your team. No matter how good some individuals in your team were, there was one totally weak link. If affects your own confidence, I’ve felt this. Even though they were backyard games it was still frustrating to try hard and all that effort put in, was wasted when it was up to this one kid who can’t play.

      Those were backyard games, fair play and s*it. But we are at Arsenal, one of the biggest professional football clubs in the world. Players such as Sanchez, Özil, Ramsey are individually great but it must affect their game as well when having to play with Giroud. All the effort they put in goes waste when Giroud touches (loses) the ball.

      1. You mean when he sent Ramsey in alone and he lost the ball?Without service OG is not scoring. One pass was chipped to him today and the back spin on the ball took it over his foot and that was it. 1 chance. I would look to the ones who are suppose to provide the service for the lack of attack chances.

        1. I’m sorry the other chance he was pulled down by the shirt well beyond what Ramsey did for a red. He shot the ball with a guy in his lap and being sprawled out on his back. That is a penalty but some think that he missed a sitter while being on his back.

  4. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, but that game proved that we still need a holding midfielder and a top finisher up top.

    1. Mr Arsene Wenger. You had just gained my trust in you again but then you go a fcuk that up. You just don’t see the obvious. Specialist in failure? …… F%CK!

        1. Wonderful supporters on here. Cheering Arteta injury, repeating what that little snake said…brilliant

          1. Thank You Charlie: Immediately after games I think the site is over-run by petulant little children throwing temper tantrums because they did not get their candy/

  5. Arteta injured, Diaby injured, Ramsey banned, Flamini on yellow. Good CDM plan Wenger! I’m glad we haven’t bought anyone to steel the midfield, much better counting on old, reckless and injury prone players!

    Oh and please Wenger, please start Cazorla and Giroud again next time and leave OX and Campbell on the bench! We’re better off without CL anyways since half our midfielders are already out and it’s 2 matches on to the season.

    Not going to even speak about Giroud.

  6. Wenger, you got everything wrong, everything. Just do me a favour please, keep your lamppost in Turkey and get Ba instead and if not, just give him away for free.
    Now, I’m going to kill everyone who thinks we don’t need striker

    1. I was very for getting a DM, but holy sh*t do we need a striker. What we need is staring Wenger straight in the face – he better figure it out!

  7. What in God’s holy name happened???
    Even without Ramsey seeing red, it dint seem like we would have scored. Now, we have shortage in midfiled at home, at last, Cazorla should be able to play there.
    We have an option for the second leg, play well to win.

  8. We could have won that much earlier if Giroud had been able to shoot.
    Positives: Ox looked energetic and good control
    Chambers looked composed and was up to Ba’s physical presence
    Sanchez: Good work rate and attack

    Negatives: Nobody to get in the box and aid Sanchez
    Giorud is immobile and can’t finish
    Lack of defensive support and attacking threat on the left
    The cards and Arteta’s potential injury

  9. Giroud player rating big fat 0 total embarrassment of a player does not deserve to wear the arsenal shirt

    1. Don’t think ANYONE wants Giroud as first choice striker, and pretty sure AW will sign someone.

      However it bores the T1ts off me to keep hearing ‘Giroud is cr@p’ etc etc

  10. i always say from the beginning never underestimate the turks they are fighter and instanbul is a big city so scary they are very fanatics they have history from the byzantium constantinople ottoman empire these people are very proud and i dont wanna play in the europa league oh oho oh o o o im so disappointed very very disappointed oh o i dont know what to say anymore im heartbroken 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁

  11. that was pretty abysmal but I expect us to win at home which should hopefully allow us the opportunity to go out and get a couple more world class players because if we have to witness that for the majority of the season I will be bitterly disappointed

    1. He shouldn’t be in our squad .. Shouldn’t be allowed near billing hams squad as we’ll he is atrocious

  12. How can someone be patient with GIROUD is beyond me. The guy make us look like useless clowns whenever he start’s. Also shocking perfomance by Wenger. Subbing alexis??? Is wenger blind por something? I don’t understand..

  13. Two games in a row we have played lethargic and poorly. Two games in a row our best player by a country mile is Chambers (don’t be surprised if he’s given the Captaincy when Arteta leaves). Cazorla abysmal. Ramsey – why he didn’t shoot is anyone’s guess. Giroud ugh. Ox should’ve come on for Cazorla and either Campbell or Rosicky should’ve enter the fray at the same time.

    1. I think our players kept trying to set up the ball for a good shot since the pitch was so bumpy hence why Ramsey may have taken an extra touch. If that’s not the case they have no excuse

  14. i have no idea what wenger think about giroud and arteta.

    best player in arsenal team LOL,,,,,,,,,,,

  15. OH MY GOD WE DIDNT SLAUGHTER AN UNDERRATED TEAM ON THEIR HOME FIELD IN THE 2ND GAME OF THE SEASON WITHOUT OUR BEST MIDFIELDER AND A TOP DEFENDER. ITS ALL OVER. WE WONT EVEN GET INTO EUROPE NEXT YEAR. WENGER OUT! GIROUD SHOULD BE MURDERED. THE TRANSFER WINDOW IS CLOSED.

      1. They’re the glory hunters that jumped on in 2004 and can’t jump back off the bandwagon, not real fans haha

      1. Granted didnt see the game, maybe we wer awful, but I take the result as a draw as visitors in a very tough land

  16. Tactically, Wenger is just off the pace and has been for years…!!
    No f*cking clues about what to do and how to accommodate plays…
    Besiktas was just pregnable and an injection of speed would have finished them off…!!!

    Still sticking with Jack “where is the ball” Wilshere who had another shocker… Even putting us in danger after loosing the ball and doing one of his flick…!!

    Campbell and OX were on the bench… !!
    Was he thinking about Everton?
    I won’t be surprised if it is the case as it would be a typical Wenger move… Especially with a diminished squad (as usual).

    Few days left in the transfer market, time to bring more players… Because some of them are just not Arsenal/top quality…!

  17. Hey people come on,
    If there is one thing I am sure of in football when I wake up in the morning, it’s that Giroud is top class. This guy has everything like hold up play and hard work. He MUST stay at Arsenal and MUST be at the club forever and ever till the end. He is welcome to be the striking coach for Arsenal. These young strikers will learn a lot from him and this makes my breakfast taste a lot better knowing we have a talent like this at our club. Makes my day. Bravo giroud. Fantastic as you have been. Keep it up.

  18. giroud played really well… best in the pitch… playing in heart of besiktas defense and ruinin all arsenals attack..
    arsenal ended the game with 9 men n besiktas with 12..

    1. Not been watching Arsenal too long have you? Stepanovs, Jeffers????? Squillaci…… Diawara even?

      1. @Sacrificial_Pizza
        Most here just sh*t all over Olivier because they’re in denial about “Lackluster Jack”

        1. Come on mate I’ve defended giroud several times on here but tonite u can’t defend a performance like dat..and I agree with u on Wilshere he needs to get his shit together dis season

          1. I really think Jack was one of the better players on the pitch. He barely gave up the ball, kept the short passes crisp, he was all over that pitch, and gave the bestiskas players an earful. He’s improving you guys, don’t put him down just yet.

          2. the thing with Giroud is that people slate him with or without reson, pass to goal for a trphoy or goal to put a game over and another trophy or goalless draw in a tough pitch.
            Kind of makes it easier for us who cant watch games to asume they are salting for the sake of it.
            Heck I read we should hire Ba…who couldnt score in HIS pitch!

          3. @DanO
            I’m not defending anybody after this cluster f**K of a match. But I’m also not going to single out any one player to blame for this fiasco.
            The back five kept us alive. The rest need to be ashamed…

            1. wilshere deserves some credit too. I dont think he had a bad match, but the other attacking players (besides Alexis partly) just did not show up.

  19. Game sucked hard and everything went wrong. We played bad and Besiktas weren’t good enough to score so only CL play-off tonight without a goal. The pitch was the aftermath of a minefield. The ref was an amateur. Red card to Ramsey and injury to Arteta means we are short in holding midfield position. Koscielny’s injury probably got worse too. All this delays our transfer plan too.

    Well it could’ve been worse tbh. I think Besiktas needed a result more than us. Will they win at the Emirates? On a real football pitch? Against Özil, Mertesacker and Podolski’s left foot?

  20. Nice!!! Giroud still our first choice keeper even when the money is there to be spent LMFAO….. You gotta love the mule of a manager we have.

  21. Negatives, (lots):
    Cazorla, Giroud and a few others looked like they’d just woken from a deep sleep.
    Ramsey sent off.
    Arteta injured.
    We embarrassed ourselves to the world watching cl football tonight.
    we look poor when Ramsey isn’t having a worldy game.
    I feel that Campbell will be sold this window, why else wouldn’t he play?
    Sanchez got subbed and must be thinking wtf have I done.

    Positives:
    They didn’t score.
    We only got one player sent off!
    Wenger may have to buy a DM player now, (probably panic buy the wrong player though).
    Chambers looked good again.
    Ozil, Per and Poldi are due back at the weekend.

    Not really sure what else to say 🙁 Shocking!
    Giroud should be embarrassed his body language stinks and his one dimensional play is so predictable. Why the hell do you stick with him Wenger? Hernandez, Benteke, Michu, Vargas, Remy, VELA! all cheap, all better and could have been bought.

      1. Be pissed at Wenger ONLY. If you were a striker who knows he is not that good, but asked to play for a club like arsenal regardless, wouldn’t you jump at the chance? It’s not his fault that he’s at arsenal. It’s wenger’s.

  22. Team has been terrible so far, no fight or they can’t be bothered.. But the seem has just started, so may be it will improve.

    So far,

    Ramsey has been poor.

    Cazorla has been poor

    Sanchez looks lost, he seems to have forgotten how pass, cross or dribble..

    We need to improve or Besiktas will upset us..

    COME ON ARSENAL…

    1. Oh……. SHUT UP. We are missing Özil and Mert. It’s Sanchez 2nd game. He was absolutely fine out there. Ramsey looks fine. Cazorla you have a point, he looks terrible. Awful game too from Giroud, although it seems like you guys want him to be Maradona and just take on whole teams haha.

      Plus just because you are ignorant of another team, doesn’t mean they are not any good. Besiktas is a damn good squad actually. I was laughing at you highly rated pundits on here claiming it was an easy win. Was never ever gonna be. We’ll be alright back at home I think

      1. OH you shut up! So what if we were missing Ozil. So what? Can he not get hurt and not play for a month or two? And then what are we going to say with every poor display, Ozil wasnt here? We have Cazorla and Rosicky who can play that number 10 spot as well as some of the top players in the world. But Cazorla is wasted on the left and Rosicky on the bench.
        Arsenal is a team with almost 30 players you cant tell me that just because we are missing one we should play like shit.
        Wenger is at foult for insisting on Giroud and not bringing in OX and Campell earlier in the game and switching Sanchez up front.
        He always wants to play the same fracking way, with Giroud or Sanogo up top Cazorla on the left and Arteta as DM all of it wrong.

    2. Pretty harsh on Alexis. Was very lively throughout the match. And he tracks back a TON. He was always alone when he won the ball far up the pitch too, i guess the other players were just staring at him, cause thats the only reason nobody else tried to help or get in the box.

  23. u b****s want giroud to lead front line.. a blind man with one leg without ny football experience can lead better than giroud…i want arsene to spend money on falcao cavani or even ba..

  24. in that game i saw ramsey shaking his head in disappointment at giroud i saw it from cazorla too and at the end i saw it from alexis does not wenger get it giroud brings no confidence in his team mates im soo frustrated because ino im helpless in doing anything wenger will just keep picking him

    1. cazorla shouldve been shaking his head at his own performance. I do feel sorry for everyone else who played in attack today. Olivier is just a horrible player, and to see Alexis, Ramsey, Wilshere, have to deal with his lack of talent is frustrating to watch. They deserve better. The rumours about Giroud getting a contract extension better be a joke. Get this fool out as quickly as possible. Hate how ppl gushed all over him after his Community Shield goal. Very few ppl stayed true to their opinions and remembered how trash he has always been for us. This was another typical display from him. And someone shuld make Arsene do the ALS bucket challenge because his subbing was HORENDOUS! Alexis for Ox? Why not take useless Cazorla off, or Giroud. This game couldve at least been won late on.

  25. Not sure why everyone is only blaming Giroud, everyone was bad today…! Sanchez tried to do too much again and his corners were horrendous. Cazorla was bad and created nothing. Ramsey was unlucky with the red card but he also played with no creativity. Wilshere had some poor passes that lead to our defense consistently getting pressured, and there was not much he could do with the rest of the midfield playing so poorly. Don’t get me wrong, Giroud was awful today and I don’t think he’s match fit yet, we all know hes certainly more capable of performing better than this, but don’t only blame him. Luckily Defense was pretty solid minus a flew blunders, and szczesny dealed with everything well.

  26. Mr Wenger you have seen it with your own eyes Giroud just is not good enough as our first choice striker. The guy has NO first touch he can’t hold a ball upto save his life, every time he gets it he loses it. Arsenal need a Top Top Class Striker. So we have 13 day’s go get one we have the money or so we have been told then again Mr Wenger does nothing but lie to the Fan’s. Anyway the best part of the team looked like they had played a whole season they looked leggy.

  27. Come on guys. I’m disappointed too..

    Giroud had a few half chances against a VERY well organised Besiktas.

    Our chances were few and far between, because of their defensive tenacity.

    That is why Ramsey was red carded, due to frustration. Exactly what a lesser team should do against a better team, frustrate them and play fast aggressive football.

    For sure, Giroud is not the best striker, but he is a decent target man, and on a night with few chances, he played his part.

    I too would like a CDM and a top drawer striker, but then so would every other team..!!! 😀

    1. every time Giroud touched the ball he lost it, he missed two clear chances. But this is nothing new. Its not shocking, and he will continue to be abysmal. People insult Sanogo, but look is who 27 and should be in his prime, and look who is only 21 and has years to improve. Giroud adds nothing but frustration, he is a horrible player, plain and simple. Not even average anymore. When will ppl get it through their heads that Besiktas had a better striker than us today…

    2. every time Giroud touched the ball he lost it, he missed two clear chances. But this is nothing new. Its not shocking, and he will continue to be abysmal. People insult Sanogo, but look is who 27 and should be in his prime, and look who is only 21 and has years to improve. Giroud adds nothing but frustration, he is a horrible player, plain and simple. Not even average anymore. When will ppl get it through their heads that Besiktas had a better striker than us today…

    3. they had the two best chances of the game…could easily have been 2 nil and wouldnt have seemed unfair….

    4. Did you ever try to be reasonable with an out-of-control child in the midst of a temper-tantrum. I appreciate your words of calm and logic but until these fans settle down and return to adulthood you won’t get much love here.

    1. yeah we are complaining about Giroud, but Santi did a whole lot of nothing. I swear our players have doppelgängers – you don’t know if that bad player or the good player is gonna show up on the pitch.

  28. I think giroud must have given wenger a good time before the match, ffs how he can up there playing the full match with these sh*t performance.

  29. I’d rather see Chamberlain at forward if that’s what it takes to get him on the field and Giroud off. I’m not sure how Chamberlain plays so little for us and how anyone can claim that Giroud is the right fit for Arsenal. It seems he is getting worse by the game.

    We need significantly more world class talent if we intend to compete for trophies. Our opposition has not stood still in the transfer window.

    We need a forward who is a threat in some aspect of football, a left mid who can give us width, a DM who can distribute AND defend, and a left back who is more than just the 11th player on the field (Gibbs has never been reliable or world class).

    Our Priorities in order:
    Forward
    DM
    Left Mid
    Left Back

    I am so frustrated!

  30. Giroud had a poor game. But fans here seem to want to lay blame on him for everything and every weakness in the squad. Giroud struggled as did many players in the game – and he is far better than Sanogo who fans seem to love.

    Blaming Giroud may make you feel better, but it won’t solve the overall problems and it won’t make the team better. Be real. Arsenal are several players short of transfers and missing the Germans.

    Giroud can disappear into thin air and Arsenal will not be a better team for it.

    1. U don’t get it I guess; u need to watch that game again to see how many times he lost d ball. With Sanogo our attack is fluid, and we love him cos we know the longer he is on d pitch d better he will get but u v got to agree that it doesn’t seem like Giroud will improve any further

      1. You are right about one thing. I do not get it. Unless if you are suggesting that Wenger should get a better striker in which case I do get it.

        ALL OF US want a better striker. But whining about Giroud and blaming him for other team weaknesses will not make the team better or resolve the issues – Getting a new and better striker will – but I don’t know any fans who disagree with that.

    2. Giroud is a 27 year old striker who is crap, Sanogo is a 21 year old srtiker who is also crap but has the potential to be good. This is as good as it gets for Giroud.

    1. Some Arsenal fans are crap. They score no goals and do not support the players who do score goals. Like it or not, Giroud was last season’s top goal producer by a long shot – in case you you were too busy whining to notice.

      1. DOESN’T MEAN MUCH WHEN HE PLAYED AS OUR NUMBER ONE FOR 50+ GAMES AND ALL OUR OTHER STRIKERS DIDN’T GET MORE THAN 20 STARTS AND THAT’S ON THE WINGS

  31. King Giroud, the greatest striker on the whole planet, Lol. Arsene should better buy a quality striker if he actually wants to win any trophy this season

  32. It was so shocking to see Wenger taking out Alexis, while allowing OG run out 90mins..

    Why didn’t he bring Campbell for OG and AOC for Santi(who had a poor game too)? The whole dimension of the game could’ve changed..

    We really need to make subtle additions to this squad, before Sept.1

  33. @gamer. You are so right OG’s negativity and poor play ripples through the whole sqaud.
    Wenger is stubborn and won’t realise he needs to react soon, the windows open and Giroud needs bench time.
    Did anyone see Gomis for Swansea the other day? they got him on a free, monster compared to Giroud!

  34. Lmao,
    The article actually said Giroud is rusty,saying he is rusty is giving is giving him too much credit,and please don’t say he is crap,because I have seen crappy players and they are way better than Giroud, I just have 1 question
    What the F*ck is wrong with Wenger???is he blind or he just has a bad sense of humour? Ok that’s actually two questions.

    1. Koscienly saved our butts plenty of times. Wouldve chosen Chambers but his inexperience showed once in a while, but Kos was there to cover. MOTM has to be a defensive player for me. But, yeh, Jack was the best out of the midfield, i agree.

      1. Yep this time he did play better than Ramsey. Sanchez did trying very hard to get forward but no players helping him

  35. Too many poor performances tonight, defensivley Debuchy was awful (attacking he was good), Ramsey was poor for his standards, Giroud failed to hold the ball up or lay it off for his team mates and Cazorla was non existent on the left wing yet again!

    Wilshere looked better tonight and Kos and Chambers were good at the back again so there were a few positives.

    Hopefully Ox or Campbell get the chance to start on the left against Everton with Cazorla on the bench, we desperately need some speed on the left wing!

    1. Although I am disgusted with the many negative comments overall, I think you at least provided a fair and balanced analysis with specific criticisms instead of just whining that some players are horrible and should be therefore castrated and thrown to the sea.

      In other words, I agree. Wenger MUST solve the LW issue. Cazorla can only play the middle and Arsenal lose out to other teams tactically by abandoning width. Wenger did this last season also and it cost the team points. The other issues I am confident will be worked out.

  36. 4th place again… wenger spent less than 30 million this summer without having to buy what he really needs: ST/LW/DM….He blatantly plays cazorla out of place, sticks with Giroud, he knew TV5 was leaving all along, he knew Sagna was leaving last yr so he could’ve bought a CB and sold sagna then LOL…. This man is unbelievable.

  37. i think most of the giroud fans must be gay and like him just for his looks ? serious and sane arsenal fan can see this guy is useless and after 2 seasons of frustration with him i dont think i can handle another one

    1. I worry about Arsenal having the quality players they need. I have even greater worries that petulant, whining fans will ruin this club. Go cry into your porridge and spare me your nonsense.

      Arsenal just escaped a tough game in a large chamber pot and a cattle field for a pitch, short many players, finishing with 10 men and still pull out a draw going into the 2nd leg and all I read is whining, crying, and complaining. I can just hear the stomping of your little baby feet.

      Grow the f#ck up.

        1. This is NOT about Giroud. If Wenger gets a better striker I will be thrilled. This is about whiney baby fans who cry even though Arsenal pulled off a decent result under bad circumstances and many players clearly tired from the game 3 days before.

          Babies.

          1. you act like your comments are more productive than the ones that “whine”. They are not. They are on the same level. You are adding nothing to the conversation either.

            1. bla bla bla. let me whine and cry and throw a fit without any interference because your reason and logic are ruining my ability to throw my whiney little fit

              i want my sweets and i want them NOW
              i want my sweets and i want them NOW
              i want my sweets and i want them NOW

          2. no one likes giroud but u, that is what this is about, the only thing i liked about him was his injury record but when u think about it injury DIRECTLY correlates with effort, giroud gives ZERO effort and thus gets ZERO injuries

        2. i think u r just jealous of girouds looks, i read already 3 comments…man let them and me love giroud, he is an arenal player ffs, he just misses to scoreaway and thats it
          now bring on the thumbs down and the lousy jokes…yeah

  38. If giroud is our main striker this season then at best it’s 4th place
    AT BEST!!
    People are waking up to how ineffective and docile he really is,.
    Wenger hasn’t replaced van twatsie yet and until he does the premier league isn’t ours anytime soon..!
    Even the ox showed some intent and had a shot.. He’s got good feet and a million times more technically gifted than the plank of wood up front..
    The problem is.. If giroud doesn’t play we play Sanogo ffs!!!!
    Wenger get a proper striker ASAP!

  39. Szczesny 6
    Monreal 6
    Koscielny 6
    Chambers 6
    Debuchy 6

    Arteta 3
    Wilshere 3
    Ramsey 3

    Cazorla 3
    Sanchez 5
    Giroud 3

    Sub:
    Flamini 4
    Ox 6,5
    Rosicky (Clearly, He Doesn’t Get Enough Time to Create Something)

    Manager
    Wenger 3
    Poor tactic and poor selection team by Wenger! Horrible attacking performance!!! Wenger is very very very STUBBORN, Old, and Senile manager!!! WTF!

    Ox, Rosicky, Campbell definitely should play earlier for this game !!!!

        1. In case you are struggling with word meanings…….. there is a difference between whining – which is complaining and blaming just to make yourself FEEL better

          Example: We did not win so Giroud sucks. Castrate him immediately.

          and analyzing – identifying SPECIFICS about a situation either negative or positive.

          Example: Giroud struggled holding onto the ball. I fear we need a new #1 striker.

          And I am specifically calling out fans for their BLAMING and WHINING like little children here. Will all your whining help Giroud play better? No. Will my comments help little children to grow up? Doubtful – but I tried.

          1. @mohawk ,

            In case you are struggling with reading and understanding,

            Listen carefully,

            I said, “Ox, Rosicky, Campbell definitely should play earlier for this game !!!!”

            And I also said, “Clearly, Rosicky doesn’t get enough time to create something.”

            Don’t you understand that???!??

            If Rosicky play, he will lead and organise the midfield very well, so the tempo and creativity of the midfield will be much much better in terms of creating chances, and Arsenal attack also will become more direct & effective.

            And if Ox and Campbell play the attack will be a lot faster and sharper.

            Still struggling to understand Football?

            1. I don’t listen to whiney little babies. When you deal with a child’s temper tantrum do you really care about his whinings? I don’t pay attention to yours either.

  40. I’m taking a screen shot of every crybaby. This will be posted at the end of the season. Should be funny to see how hypocritical you all are

  41. lots of arsenal fans felt to spot the real problem here, the problem is wenger’s selection policy. how on earth that rosicky has not been given the nod to play- is there any one better than him who can drive ball forward from the middle? also the only player that most arsenal fans doesnt appreciate (PODOLSKI) is the best striker and finisher at arsenal for the moment. How on earth other German players have been playing for their respective clubs for the past 3 weeks and our own players are still on break? how would our medical team keep on given our injured players longer time than their expected come back? something is fisher with the coach and arsenal management. mtchewwwwww

  42. For 90 mins, Giroud couldn’t even have a decent shot at goal nor create any. Instead, in less than 20 mins, The Ox managed to create the only real chance of a goal. I rest my case!

  43. tactical genius wenger playing attacker in defensive role(arteta) playing defensive player in attacking role(giroud)

  44. Wenger finally open his wallet but tactical wise, still need to buck up. We should count ourselves lucky to get this result. We still got time to amend it. No worries. COYG.

  45. Whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine.

    There’s actually more depth to this comment than you think. Try putting music to it and reading along in rhythm and you might see how poetic it is.

  46. Poor performances by Giroud and Cazorla today, Giroud poor touches and losing possession, Cazorla not providing a threat and not seeing the ball enough. Problems can be solved within the squad though and it’s hard watching Wengers reluctance to make changes. Nevertheless a draw is a reasonable result away in Turkey. At the weekend Wenger should play:

    Szczesney
    Debuchy Chambers Koscielney Monreal
    Wilshere Flamini Ramsey
    Sanchez Campbell Chamberlain

    Doubt he will though. There will be an opportunity to counter Everton so that team is very capable at countering with wingers who demand the ball and both work exceptionally hard which will help negate the effectiveness do Baines and Coleman. Campbell will look for runs in behind as well and the midfield trio can all play a pass. We need to make adjustments going forward.

    1. i dont see how Cazorla can possibly retain his spot. I dont think he even notices it is under threat. Or maybe it isnt, but it should be. I feel like crying when i see Oxlade-Chamberlain come on as a sub and change the game every single time. I just think to myself, what Wenger is smoking to not start him over Santi. Cazorla has been very inconsistent the past season, and its dragging into this one. It seems like if were not playing at Wembley, he simply doesnt care. Again, he was throwing his arms up instead of tracking back. Didn’t help Monreal at all defensively. I’ve been harsh on Giroud, but i still consider Santi flop of the match for doing absolutely nothing, while players like Ox, and Campbell have to rot on the bench.

  47. Conspiracy theory:- The boss on the top want this game to be draw so wenger was instructed to fill players that wont perform.

  48. In media the headlines are like this :
    “Arsenal cling on to a goalless draw to keep the CL hopes alive”
    “Arsenal escape with a draw”

    In other words we are chickened by a team where the only quality player was a Chelsea reject.

    It is so embarrassing. And here we are talking about winning the PL blah blah blah.
    So many thoughts that i cant sum it all here. A fu*cking clueless manager when it comes to team selection , tactics and aggression. A turtle as CDM, a statue as main Striker,exactly 4 fu*cking defenders including a new 19yo, useless LB and a tired RB+CB. A sleeping getting fatter day by day little bi footed MF, a going to gorund on the touch of a bug smoker MF. THAT was out team tonight. And as per substitutions i think Wenger just does it randomely or he forgets and suddenly remembers or he is just piss poor tactically. Go and spend the fu*king money Wenger. You have a nice retirement home waiting in Miami, but us Gooners only have this AFC and you owe this to us.

    Sorry i am grumpy. But it is the combined effect of watching Cesc shining and watching AFC shitting all over the place that has got my nerves reeling.

  49. need a long term replacement for Arteta now !, monreal found wanting, Giroud is not Arsenal quality to be a main striker, squad player and thats being generous to him.

    i hope your on the phone wenger !

  50. gary liniker is spot on playing in front of a arsenal midfield should garentee you 25+ goals i just hope wenger is not so deluded on giroud lets hope a cf is coming in

    1. Been saying the same thing about him. People keep referencing his 22 goal season… Look who plays behind him! Ramsey, Ozil, Cazorla, etc… its expected! Imagine a striker who actually has talent playing with our midfield!

  51. Giroud was his usual self but dont blame him for such a dismal performance.How many chances did the midfield create?You think Ozil will win us the title with such a midfield for support.He is human.Ramsey and Ozil will get injured.
    Still think teams wouldnt be shitting on them just thinking about Fabregas and Ozil on the same team.Disagree with me all you want f*uckers but why is Fabregas playing at Chelsea?.This midfield has been looking dull for a long time now..stop with the Giroud b*llshit

    1. Yep you cant ask a 10m rated guy to do wonders. Wenger maybe don’t dare to bench cazolas so he got no choice to put him on wing.

  52. did i hear some1 say chamberlain change the game????? wich game game did he change apart from the only shot he on target he made- he tried though but to me every player on the pitch is a shit today except our defence and goALI

  53. @ rsh the only thing stopping me from being to critical to cazorla is we all know he is more effective in the middle an that pitch is so massive for his small legs to keep going up and down lets be honest wilshire should of been dropped cazorla would of been much more effective in the middle than wilshire was thats my opinion

    1. agree, but Cazorla should have adapted to his role by now, and he played there a ton for Malaga and has even said he enjoys playing on the wing. I also like Santi in the middle when Ozil is not there, but Cazorla should now be able to be a productive winger who cuts in. Today, i cannot even tell you where he was.

  54. There were no new problems which we all witnessed today, same old same old. The team lacks balance to many similiar players but the bottom.line is this we are a weak team team.physically have beem for many a year now and Wenger no matter wat will not change that he is too stubborn.
    2games 2 injuries u really couldnt make it up its just laffable it sadly really is.

    I said it start of last season and same as most have if we dont not buy some stronger with quality players we will never win oremier league again .

    Not expecting anuthing in regards to trophies this season absoutley no chance,

    Realistic gooners Brigade

  55. meanwhile, in the press conference:

    “Yes, it was a difficult match played at a high pace. Besiktas played with 100 per cent pace and did fought for every single ball. We needed a great level of concentration. We are still a bit short physically with some situations, but overall it was a game played for 90 minutes at great pace.”

    Well, at least wenger know the word PACE…. Hilarious

    Off topic: I think that campbell gonna be sold ( maybe a loan move)…………. that would be very sad……

    1. If i m campbell i will be sad too. He will be thinking why giroud can play full match and i rot on the bench in two match, he will start to question is wenger no faith in him.

      1. Bendtner, Gervinho and Podolski must have felt the same when seeing Giroud playing 90-minutes game after game.

  56. we need strength, strong players a strong CDM would be amazing, Arteta can’t hack it physically and technically, flamini also, its a major shame diaby can’t stay fit because he has the required physicality. As for the G man, i feel like i’ve been waiting a decade for this player to develop, a clinical striker who can get into the right places and doesn’t hesitate to find the net. But we are still a strong team, we will win this game at the emirates and with ze germans returning to the team, i can see us doing wondrous things this season.

  57. Wenger: I have nothing special to add on that at the moment. Honestly, we are not close to signing anybody

    1. Wenger two days before announcing Cazorla and asked about him: I have never Heard of that player.
      dont know, it can be either way, but I think he referred to the fact that he is focused on the next two games, and I would be too! (even if he signs someone now, they cant be considered fot these coming games)

    2. Since when do Wenger’s words regarding transfers mean anything? When asked about Cazorla he said? “I do not know this player” A few days later Cazorla was a Gunner.

  58. Is this the super team we had all expected since the arrival of Sanchez? What is wrong with the mighty Arsenal? I kept swearing during the match as I couldn’t believe how poorly most of our players played. Guess KJ ratings tommorow will have an -1 for Giroud…Cazorla was nowhere to be found, Wilshere was just walking for the most game, Giroud was abysmal(had more than 5 rants just because of him) and overall we looked as a mediocre PL team. Hope that the inclusion of the German trio in the squad will wake some players the hell up and begin to play as the can! Lastly Wenger must make at least 3 big signings(CDM, ST, CB) till the end of the month, or else forget top 4 and CL football next year(and maybe this one too).

    1. As far as signings yes CB needed, looks like that will be done. CDM or CF I do not know if they will be bought. I think LW we are very weak. Would love to see Reus signed (although injured for now). A good signing there would free up Sanchez to play CF. If we can have three pacey and tricky forwards we are set. Especially with Ozil distributing between them.

      OG is wasteful but he is an OK CF. Yaya injured again does not help us upfront. Time for Wenger to experiment in the lesser games with OX, Sanchez, Campbell up front.

      1. I guess you’re right, the only reason I didn’t include a LW is that we already have Ozil, Cazorla and Ox and with a fit Walkott, if a new LW is bought, 2 of the above must be benched..I think that Cazorla has much more to provide for us, so I think that just a pacey right side will be enough to do the trick…Or else play Walkott, Ox on the flanks, Sanchez as striker, Ozil and Rambo as providers, but we do luck a monster CDM to do all the defensive work…

  59. Bad play but in the ned the result is not too bad. Do you remember Chelsea last year how aweful they were playing in CL. Not all games can be good. Besides OG bad play, the left attack looked bad. Both Carzola and Podolski do not cut it. Carzola looses the ball way to often and the Pod is known to be lazy and poor defensively. Looks like Pod will be sold.

    We should try the OX on the left. As a left footer he will not cut in like he did brilliantly today when he almost scored. But with his speed he will make it down to the touchline and provide crosses. Campbell could be another one for the left but he ls unproven. Ideally we get Reus on the left but he is injured. Bernard is available on loan.

    When TW is fit we should play him right and Sanchez as CF. Or the other way around and make OG the striker that comes of the bench, or use him for squad rotation. With TW, Sanchez and OX we will have speed upfront. Gnabry should be used as backup RW.

    Ba looked like an upgrade compared to Giroud today.

    Would love to hear your opinion what is more important a LW or CF is we had to choose one.

    1. Very reasoned analysis complete with specifics about weaknesses and recommendations for improvements. Very few of these today. Thanks.

  60. Do you know that we don’t have a reliable striker yet? Those team have more than 2 reliable strikers who are very dependable. We really need to sort out our mess before is too late bro!

  61. on a side note, if we get through to the group stage, I think the Ramsey red Card may be a blessing in disguise. Wenger still hasnt learned to rest Ramsey it seems. I dont recall him getting any major rest in the pre-season matches leading up to the season. Played in Community shield, Crystal palace, this match, will play against Everton, was probably going to play against Besiktas again… Thats WAY too much playing time, and Wenger wouldve just been making the same mistake as last season where he wore Ramsey down to the core, and he picked up a major injury. I think a week rest will benefit Ramsey actually. Of course its only a positive if we get through though…

    1. If Wenger likes you, he plays you every game, Giroud, Ramsey, Theo.. till you are injured; and let the rest rotten on the bench.
      Unfortunately, Giroud could stay fit for 2 seasons….

  62. I was hysterical about this game and our performance but i after calming down i thought of a few things that may make sense. With the way we played i guess Wenger was aiming for a defensive and counter attacking game, perhaps not to overwork the players since most if not all of them will be facing a very tough Everton side this weekend. This is however no excuse for how bad Giroud played.

  63. Wenger said “we are not close to signing anyone”…!!

    He is just a deluded tactically inapt low ambitious and arrogant “idiot”…!!

    As soon as Man United starts finding their marks (they will recruit and Van Gaal is a mile away better manager than Wenger), we will be, again, bullied by the top teams. Anyway, we could not even get a result against a sh*t Man United…!!

    The weakest link is and has always been Arsene Wenger.

    In some other hands and with a passionate manager (someone who is in tune with modern football), those same players would do much better, way better.

  64. I think we were lucky not to be 2 down in the first off, errors from chambers and kos and poor finishing from Ba. I can not even say wenger was playing defensive either, because the midfield allowed those passes to get to BA. Besiktas defended well but i thought there was a lot of opportunity to tar them apart.
    I though this was a good opportunity to use campbells pace on the left side of the field, but wenger still persisted with Cazorla, its really frustration, we could have had a 1 or 2 goal lead with more pace. Also due to Giroud lack of pace allows team to get back into position easily in arsenal break aways , really puzzle with engers team selection

  65. Whoever we are signing is affected by the CL qualification for the group stage, so i am guessing it a big name

  66. Next leg

    ……………………….Szczesny
    Debuchy…Mertsacker…Koscielny…Gibbs
    ………………..Rosicky…..Chambers
    Sanchez………………Ozil………….Cazorla
    ………………………Podolski

  67. Could not believe when Alexis was taken off – he was the only person who was worrying their defence. I really did think Campbell was going to be brought on to provide some pace up the left wing, and assist Giroud, both of which were desperately needed. Giroud is not a lone striker, he does play better in a partnership, but if Wenger wants to play a lone striker, he needs to buy someone else.

  68. Poor game today I still support my GUNNERS!!! & So should u & stop being negative !!! Atleast we drew & not lost COYG!!

    1. It so so obvious we need a STRIKER !!!, Do you sometimes look at other clubs strikers and fitness?..Like Seriously we need a world class striker , Giroud is not doing bad but he’s not also doing good enough and Sanogo is no way close to what we want and need now. We need a STRIKER a good one on that, we need to have even more dangerous strikes / players on bench as even substitute.
      We can’t be missing goals all because we hoping that someday a kid will grow up, we tried this for so long, and what do we get? They end up switching to other teams with thought they need to win a trophy which Arsenal can’t provide for them so they leave.
      Lets spend this money and get some good STRIKERS; Balotelli, Cavani etc, and come less of this young shall grow and when they grow they make a switch…So SAD our brought ups are leaving us for our Rivals.

  69. after 2 seasons of flop and Giroud is still playing……..

    when will the fans ever realise its time for Wenger to go

    we need a proper manager

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