Certain Arsenal fans (some may call them fickle) on Justarsenal, keep complaining that the Gunners haven’t won any trophies for over a decade, but they reason that the FA Cup is just another Mickey Mouse trophy like the League Cup or the Community Shield. If this is true then they only two trophies relevant to English fans is the Premier League (with 20 teams fighting for it) and the Champions League (with 96 clubs from all over Europe aiming for it).
But I don’t think other clubs’ fans feel like that and they are extremely jealous of our 3 FA Cups in just 4 seasons. Teams like Tottenham and Liverpool, who now have superb managers, but haven’t actually won anything at all in the last ten years except one League Cup each. This makes Arsene Wenger’s 3 FA Cup winners medals actually look a little bit more impressive than these two supposedly close rivals!
So although many pundits keep going on about “shifts of power” or “as good as Arsenal now” in relation to Spurs or Liverpool, the facts are that the Gunners are actually winning things! As the Arsenal legend Nigel Winterburn said: “Yes, they have closed the gap,”
“I know I will upset a lot of Tottenham supporters…[but] the only time I’m really going to start worrying is when Tottenham start to win the trophies.
“If they can win the trophies and then keep finishing very high up in the league. If they win the Premier League, win the Champions League, FA Cups, and Arsenal are not doing that, then the real power shift has changed.
“For me, it [the potential] hasn’t changed, the gap has closed, there’s hardly any gap. I’ve said it for the last two seasons, Arsenal and Tottenham are very, very close at the moment and I’ll put Liverpool in there with them as well.”
Well people keep saying that, but when you actually look at the Premier League table, Liverpool are level on points with us, while Tottenham (haha) are just one point ahead. Yes they are close, but we are all well behind the leaders Manchester City so we are all in basically the same position at the moment….
So let’s all ask the question; Where’s the trophies????
Sam P
where are the trophies?
Mate Liverpool and spurs are much closer to a premier league title than we’ve ever been in the past 13 years.
Arsenal continuously make fools of themselves in the champions league and premier league while spurs humiliate the record holders of two successive champs league trophies.
And Liverpool are making a habit of regularly beating the top 6 sides
But what have they WON?
” Spurs humiliate the record holders of two successive champs league trophies”
Arsenal beat both Bayern (2 – 0) and Barcelona (2 – 1) and we didn’t celebrate that as a trophy.
Until Klopp sorts their defence out I’ll be surprised if they win anything. Spuds are just Spuds, will be surprised if they win anything ever ??
there is this negative culture around arsenal atm that make things seem worse than they actually are. it is there for a reason this negativity, but once it’s there it reinforces itself and expands.
Good to know that I’m not the only one that feels that the doom and gloom picture painted by the media and fans about Arsenal is exaggerated… Tottenham and Liverpool fans laugh at us.. They haven’t won jackshit and they are not roasting their players or coach.
Fans should remain united and stay balanced. Every Arsenal fan should congratulate AW and the team for the past FA cup wins. But let’s also acknowledge we have been behind in the conversation for league title winners and competing in the CL. Let’s also not loose sight of the fact that just a bit over a decade ago we were in the running for the league title every single year and competing to be the best in Europe. It’s not an over statement to say that the club has gone backwards from being a competitive footballing force, i.e. new stadium yes, record profit yes, but better results, no. The yardstick should be the clubs past, not Liverpool or Spurs. Every fan wants the club to move forward.
The same way Liverpool and Manchester United were challenging for the title every year. Since Ferguson left (this is the 5th season) has Man U challenged for the league? Don’t tell me they are this season because they are 8 points off the top. Liverpool has only done that once since 2009 when they came close in 2014. Arsenal challenged in 2008 and led the league for 28 weeks in 2014. No club has in fact challenged every season in the past 5 seasons ( City were no where in 2015, 2016 and 2017. Chelsea finished outside the top 4 in 2016).
Yes we all want to win the league but let’s not act like if we have a divine right to it.
Why do Arsenal supporters/fans have to be obseesed with the performances of other clubs, particularly Spurs? We should only be concerned about the actions and performance of the Arsenal; if it is managed well everything else will look after itself.
The League table and the contents of the trophy cabinet do not lie!
“Why do Arsenal supporters/fans have to be obseesed (sic) with the performances of other clubs”
Because football is a competition. You can’t compete against yourself. You win to have bragging rights, and you win when you better the performance of others (mind you bettering the performance of others may also mean being the best of a bad bunch). There is no sport where you don’t watch out for the performance of your competitors and hope it is “worse” than yours (Yes, worse than yours means you win the competition. For instance, if you win 5 – 0 and Chelsea wins 4 – 0, both brilliant results, but Chelsea would be second because their performance is worse than yours. Similarly, if you lose 1 -0 and Chelsea loses 2 – 0, Chelsea would be below you because their performance is worse than yours).
The above is the reason it is inevitable to check out how your competitors are faring and wish they are doing “worse”.
My apologies for the spelling mistake; however having played a number of competitive sports for 35 of my 65 years and supported many sports, including Arsenal FC for 55 years, I have always tended to keep an eye on those above my teams rather than behind. Therefore I agree that beating Spurs is an achievement, given their current form. The win should be celebrated; however it will be even better if it leads to a run of good formand movement up the League table.
We are very much in tatters right now, but the spuds and the scousers are still below us. Not that I’m proud that they are still below us or that we are still better than them. It’s clear that we are miles away from manshitty, and that’s what worries me.
City is brilliant this year but have been pants for the past 3 seasons.
I think it’s between them and PSG for the Champions League, best City side since the oil mob took over, if you’re a gambling man, definitely worth a bet