Arsenal Debate: Aubameyang is simply not captain material

Would You Change Our Captain? By Dan

Let me stress, saying Aubameyang needs to have the armband removed is not a criticism of him (the person) or any accusation that he’s lost the dressing room. It’s simply a hard job and it’s not made for everyone.

I think Mikel Arteta felt obliged to make his striker captain because with the club willing to hand such a lucrative contract to a 32-year-old, he became the face of the ‘new Arsenal’, the man who ideally the team would be built around.

To be fair, I did see an immediate change in his body language when we changed bosses. In the dark days of Unai Emery’s final months, the forward would be throwing his arms in the air, berating one of his younger teammates for a mis-placed pass.

Under a new coach he originally brought into the fresh ethos. He was defending from the front, pressing in a manner that even Arteta admitted he was unsure if the player could tactically do.

My own stance on Auba has always been that, apart from scoring, he doesn’t do a lot else.

Don’t get me wrong, that’s not a bad problem to have, but it’s noticeable the difference in his work rate compared to Lacazette. That seemed to change in the second half of last season, but he’s now resorted back to his old self.

Some say it’s not a coincidence that his form dipped after he signed a new deal. Others simply put it down to a loss of confidence.

Either way he needs to be left to focus on his own game without the extra burden of being skipper.

It reminds me a lot of William Gallas’s experience in North London.

Yes, the defender famously had his sit-down protest at Birmingham, but the truth is that long before that, he was struggling to identify with a young squad. Arsene Wenger, very loyal to his players, awkwardly midway through the campaign gave the captaincy to Fabregas, feeling he could relate better to his peers.

That doesn’t mean Gallas wasn’t a good centre back (great at Chelsea) he just didn’t have leadership qualities.

No one can deny Auba’s popularity. He has a bromance with Lacazette and the likes of Guendouzi look up to him. Unfortunately, clever handshakes and banter is only a small part of the role as captain.

Some gooners and pundits are now questioning if the Gabon international deserves to be in the starting lineup. If that becomes a reality, then it would be very hard for him to keep the armband.

With great power comes great responsibility. Instead of setting standards, his constant time keeping issues led to him being dropped for the North London Derby. If what Arteta says Is true about not accepting anyone who can’t follow his principles, then that might be taken into consideration when the whole season is reviewed.

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Finally, does the man have the character?

I don’t mean character like fancy haircuts and fashion sense. I mean, the personality to drag others through adversity.

This week, like previous and hopefully future rounds, the Gunners must play in the Europa League knowing they are having to win to rescue their season. That, the second they get knocked out, they go down as one of the worst Arsenal teams in over two decades.

Not just will winning in Europe give them the prestige of Champions League qualification, they will be acutely aware the financial implications if we have zero European Football for the first time since 1995 (hence why I say we have gone backwards since Mr. Wenger left).

That’s a lot of pressure for anyone to deal with, and there’s doubt if this group have the mentality to cope with it?

That’s the problem, on any given day, you don’t know what Arsenal will show up. Player for player, we are superior to Slavia Prague and it’s a kind draw to advance to a semi-Final. Yet we are equally capable of not showing up on Thursday.

The counter argument will be that Auba led by example against Man City and Chelsea at Wembley. No one can take the FA Cup away from his legacy, it will live forever.

Yet he’s as guilty as the club he represents in terms of which Auba shows up in the next few weeks? For every FA Cup Final, there’s two other Finals where he went missing.

Also when we talk about the poster boy of Arsenal. He’s going to be known as the captain of the worst Arsenal team in 25 years.

I would still start him in midweek because there’s still no one else you would want a chance falling to in the penalty area. Not at the expense of Lacazette though, because his work ethic is vital.

I also think it would be unfair to Martinelli to throw the youngster into our biggest match of the season with not much prep (unless you could start all three?).

Then quietly in the summer move the armband over to someone else.

How about we do it the day after we have lifted the Europa League to minimize the fuss?

 

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64 Comments

  1. Pirate Dandy says:

    I think David Luiz tries to keep reminding himself that he’s not captain.

    The armband is screaming for him. He’s just a natural.

    1. Twig says:

      Yep. Unfortunately, some gooners don’t see the leadership that David Luiz provides. The other CBs we have just don’t talk and shout as much. He probably didn’t get the arm band because he was just coming from Chelsea.

      1. Pirate Dandy says:

        True. I think even Aubameyang knows he’s just a ceremonial captain.

        I think the real captain in the dressing room especially when things are hot, is Luiz.

    2. towny254 says:

      I agree 100%

    3. Godswill says:

      My captains are No. 1 – Luiz, 2. Xhaka.

  2. gotanidea says:

    If we give the armband to someone else now, Aubameyang’s clique would likely upset the dressing room. I agree that the captaincy should’ve been given to another player, but it’d be better to wait until he’s losing his influence in the dressing room

    1. Ackshay says:

      Yes if we strip him of the armband now it will be a very bad decision. Better do it at the end of the season.

      1. Bur says:

        Teirney would be my captain.

        1. Sue says:

          Mine also!

          1. Dan says:

            Sue , updated table yesterday , your closing gap 😁

          2. Sue says:

            Dan… did you copy and paste that from 6 weeks ago?! 🤣
            Hope you’re ok btw… 🙂

        2. Xolani Ndimande says:

          …all day long ill go for Tierney. No doubt Luiz deserves it but we have to consider the future, since Luiz is almost out of contract. Tierney is my Captain no doubt.

          1. Dan says:

            Sue your 9 points off top
            im okay thanks , glad I can visit England soon but allot of families have had it Worse during C ovid
            Hope your okay and safe as well

  3. Pablo Picasso says:

    For me Auba is not captain material or a leader, yes he has been a key player in the past seasons but there is a difference. The armband comes with alot of responsibilities which I feel Auba may not be ready to carry. How I miss the old school captains who were hard men from their looks, attitude, and approach to the game. They were basically like a player coach.

    Looking at our current squad very few players come close to being captain material, sadly even the new players are falling into the mediocrity surrounding the club.

  4. Ackshay says:

    He should be stripped of the armband at the end of the season in a clear respectable way so it will have little impact on squad morale and the man himself. Arteta must have a big discussion with him stating how being captain as a well as our saviour the last 2 seasons has put too much responsibility on him. It is clearly affecting him to have a horrible season and being captain on top of that is killing his confidence.

    I think the squad clearly see that tierney is captain material and would not be destabilised if he was given the armband instead of auba.

  5. Loose Cannon says:

    If you are captain, you do not come late for games/training. If you are captain you motivate the team / get vocal on the pitch and lead with example. Like the man for what he has done for us, but he definitely has no leadership qualities, in modern day world, age is never the criteria for promotion, leadership skills and attitude are the norms. Selecting him was a mistake just like Emery’s 5 captain philosophy. Nvertheless, this season was a one off write off with all the mess just gone in Jan, let him continue till the end of season.

  6. A J says:

    Let’s cut to the chase.

    We are basically a dysfunctional club from top to bottom.

    A myriad of opinion every day on Owner, Board, Manager, Squad, Captain, injuries, kit, Tea ladies (not a sexist comment folks), Burgers, Hot dogs, Pies, Programme, players haircuts, you name it – it’s all gone up the swanny !

    SueP posted a good article recently asking if Arteta is not the man for the job who is ?

    All the usual suspects were listed in response, plus a number of other “interesting” candidates.

    Many are just “known” names to rattle off.

    What would they in reality bring to the Arsenal, to help sort out this complete and utter shambles.

    Should this be the managers remit in the first place ?

    Has Arteta, as Emery before him, been dumped on from a great height ?

    So many unanswered questions.

    WHERE DID IT ALL GO SO BLOODY WRONG ?

    I, as we all probably feel, have been SO embarrassed by some of our performances over recent years – both on and off the park.

    We used to be able to say we supported “THE ARSENAL” knowing our statement carried so much weight – now I get this piss taken !

    We know the dressing room is always a modicum away from falling apart, and divisions amongst our fanbase is a constant.

    Life of a truly passionate football fan, passionate about their club – I accept that.

    But our CONSTANT deficiencies at all levels nowadays seem to be the norm.

    What the *uck has TRULY gone on at our beloved club.

    Really very, very depressing.

    We move on to Thursday night.

    1. SueP says:

      I’m with you on that AJ

      I can just see all those elite managers queuing up to have a crack at the job. The club has been run in a Mickey Mouse fashion from the UK by what appears to be inept or borderline corrupt executives, whilst the owner and his son deal with their US brands They are miles and miles away from having a clue if Pepe is worth £70m or understand if an ageing Auba deserves an Ozilesque pay rise.

      They sat on the stability that many of the Wenger years brought but were unable to get the right blend of senior management after he left and the obvious name, Sanhelli springs to mind.

      I can only hope the new management positions can start the steep climb up the league

      1. A J says:

        Hi SueP.

        Can’t tell you how much I agree with your reply.

        I was so frustrated when I posted my original comment (as you can probably tell), with that frustration growing by the day.

        1. ozziegunner says:

          👍 👍 From me AJ and SueP, younger fans do not understand how David Dein was fundamental to the success of the Arsenal. The demise started when he was driven from the Club and replaced with incompetent con men like Gazidis and Sanheili.
          As for Aubameyang not being worthy or capable to be captain of this Club, “no sh#t Sherlock”. Compared to the captain’s of any club, let alone those men that have captained Arsenal (and I don’t include Mezut Ozil), he won’t be captain material, while his backside points to the ground.

  7. Twig says:

    I back Arteta to do whatever he needs to do to start winning again including dropping / selling players who won’t buy into his ideas no matter how popular they may be

    1. Sir Michael says:

      Twig Nobody wants our deadwood so we have to let them walk off into the sunset with a pay off more millions lost where is the bloody money coming from?? Selling our best players Saka, ESR, to buy what??

  8. Gworm says:

    The captain’s curse strikes again. Xhaka is the natural leader of this team and we know how that ended. I can’t remember the last time we had a proper captain who could lead on the field. Probably TA.

    1. Mobella says:

      Gworm, no!! Captain curse did not strike again. Auba is no leader and shouldn’t have been made captain in the first place and by extension shouldn’t even be in the first 11. Auba we are witnessing now is Auba of two season ago with plenty of goals. However, it our coach that is failing those players. It obvious those 3 players upfront against Liverpool were there as the first line of defense instead as an attacker. Laca spent 85% of his time in the game in front our defense together with Pepe. Auba was there to make the number. Arteta has sucked passion out of some of those players with his coward football.

    2. ozziegunner says:

      Cesc Fabrigas, Patrick Viera

  9. towny254 says:

    You cannot have a centre forward being Captain somebody playing at the back so he can see what is going on normally centre Half Luiz

  10. pjennings says:

    What is a CAPTAIN these days??? My old Oxford Dictionary gives a definition of the name CAPTAIN,, but Aubameyang doesn’t fit that description or criteria. No point in thinking about the captains in eras gone by because those days are long gone and it’s a different mentality of players today. Being a captain in any sports code should be a privilege,, not a God damn right. Takes a special kind of person man or woman to fill that role. A man or woman of character, responsibility and integrity. Does Aubameyang have those qualities?? Can a captain be stripped of that PRIVILEGE? Can the captainencey be handed to a younger player? A player who wears the Arsenal Football Club badge with pride. I would love to see a home grown player be the captain of our beloved football club. There’s one young man at Arsenal that shows maturity beyond his years. He’s been thrown in at the deep end,,, and he’s passed with flying colours. He’s a go getter and a true professional. To be a CAPTAIN,, you have to earn it. My future CAPTAIN at Arsenal Football Club is no other than young Saka. That’s my opinion. Some may think he is too young for that kind of responsibility,, but what is too young in this day and age??? I’m like alot of you old folk. I’m learning to go with the flow

  11. Sean Williams says:

    Kieran Tierney should be captain. He does not, seemingly, stand fools gladly, and will give a piece of his mind. They only offered the captaincy to Aubameyang to put him on a pedestal and not lose him. Oh for a wise manager!

  12. Grandad says:

    Being Captain of a football team does not carry the demands needed to Captain a Cricket team, where the boss is responsible for tactical decisions such as field placing, types of bowlers etc.In a successful side there are likely to be 11 captains which makes the job of the appointed one rather easy.

    1. jon fox says:

      Not right Grandad. I see the important difference in a cricket captain, naturally But you are not correct in saying that in a successful side you have 11 captains.

      The art of being a true captain is largely lost in modern society and when we have an outstanding one, as in Tierney, IT WOULD BE DAFT NOT TO RECTIFY THE AUBA MISTAKE RIGHT NOW.

  13. jon fox says:

    It is imperative that the bad mistake of awarding Auba with captaincy is rectified and done NOW, not at end of season. When any bad mistake has been made it is always vital to rectify it ASAP and NOT leave it till a later date. After all, why let something that is palpably not working, continue happening. MADNESS!

    Three candidates are clear; Luiz but he will soon be gone, Tierney(my clear preference) and young Saka, a little early as yet IMO.

    But MOST important is to strip the lamentable Auba of this honour and that it should be done right NOW!

    1. Twig says:

      I won’t put the pressure of captaincy so soon on young Saka’s shoulders.

      1. ozziegunner says:

        👍 Correct Twig.

  14. Dboy says:

    Auba is definitely not a captain in this team. He needs to do the honorable thing and step down.

    1. SueP says:

      Well that would be all the best solution if he steps down rather than having it taken away
      He is not captain material, unfortunately and certainly hasn’t got it in him to rally the other players. Tierney has more gumption and Luiz is out injured and if he stays will get limited game time.

  15. Nifty says:

    His appearance in our last game was everything wrong with the club

  16. ThirdManJW says:

    He is a poor leader on and off the field. Has to be Tierney, and Luiz as vice captain.

  17. pjennings says:

    I agree with you Jon Fox. It’s a shame Luiz’s career is nearly coming to an end. Love or hate the man, he wears his heart on his sleeve. No one can fault his gutsy attitude on the field, nor in the dressing room. Tierney yes. It’s a shame he’s prone to injuries. I thought Saka. We shouldn’t label him as a kid. He’s made alot of those senior players look quite pathetic. But he and ESR have lead the way with example. That’s embarrassing. Two young players are our best,,, plus Tierney. Those 3 players not on the team sheet ,, and Arsenal is down the toilet. If Arteta were to strip Aubameyang of the captaincy, he has no argument or say in the decision. He’s shows no leadership on the football field. He should be dropped full stop. I really would like to know one thing,,,, why and how would Arteta lose the dressing room??? Players don’t dictate. If they don’t like it,,, get the hell out of the hot kitchen. And I’m not criticizing our manager. He’s the boss. I’d love to see Arteta make a few bold decisions. And he shouldn’t have to explain to the whole world why he’s made those decisions. Leadership starts from the boss. Since Arteta has arrived,, he’s been dammed if he does, and dammed if he hasn’t. There seems to be an agenda against the man since day one of his appointment to the job. And I have not always agreed with all of his calls.

  18. Jacko84 says:

    Odegaard for captain if we can sign him permanently??

  19. Timmy Turner says:

    but… what about our goalkeeper too?.. what can you say about him….. cuz after Tierney & luiz… IDK who can fill that void again… your opinion about Leno??

  20. Palash says:

    Arsenal lost to this liverpool team.Its a shame for us.Look how they are playing against madrid

    1. Sue says:

      Are you surprised?! Great night so far – City and Real winning 👍

  21. RSH says:

    This is the Liverpool side that we couldn’t even create one chance again, lmaooo! In case people actually think there is progress.

    1. Sue says:

      Unbloodybelievable!!

  22. Pepe says:

    I can’t believe this shocking liverpool side made us look like conference league team

    1. ozziegunner says:

      Alexander Arnold had a shocker.

  23. pjennings says:

    Yes Pepe and Sue. We (Arsenal), are headed to the grave yard as where Nottingham Forest have been. We are bloody well cursed. I was hoping Liverpool would win. Puts into perspective at how things are dire straits in North London

    1. Sue says:

      Great night in the CL… although I shouldn’t be smirking as the closest we’ll get to playing Real is in a preseason friendly!!!

      1. Pepe says:

        Super cup🤭🤔

        1. Sue says:

          Ooh hadn’t even given that a thought, Pepe!! (Now you’ve got my hopes up 😄)

  24. pjennings says:

    That’s if we are good enough to get invited. Who would want to have Arsenal as a draw card. Arsenal should change the names to The Mighty Ducks. Remember that movie?

    1. Dan says:

      My fantasy football team is Ducks Fly Together

      1. Sue says:

        Dan.. 9 points is the closest I’ll ever get to Dan kit 😆
        I’m glad you’re ok. Covid has affected us all in different ways… and when you mentioned about how you’d been feeling before and about your brother helping by suggesting making lists . my heart went out to you… stay strong, Dan 😊

        1. Dan says:

          Yeah isolation just triggered things
          My family live in England , Mum live in Greece , I’m in Wales so been weird , especially as I became uncle last March so it’s been a year of not seeing babies
          But don’t get me wrong , I’m not suffering like others
          Thanks though Sue , very kind

  25. Logic says:

    Well Xhaka was the right captain I think because he is a leader and you can see he plays with heart on his sleeve. They are only two captain material in this team Luiz and Xhaka. One is too old and no point of making him a captain for one season while other well our very own fans made sure would be stripped off the duty. I do not agree with fans who are calling for Tierney to be captain because of two simple reasons, one he is too young age wise and he is new to team. Second he does not look like a player who would shout out instructions and motivate others. He is good at doing his job but not some ones who inspires the team. Either you have to be a leader by attitude or by being the go to man in difficult situations. Simple examples for both are Ramos as a leader with his attitude and passion while Zidane in his playing days a go to man who silently controlled both the teams, his own as well as opposition.

  26. pjennings says:

    Well Logic. I’m glad you mentioned Xhaka. Need a captain with a bit of MONGREL in him. There will be certain people who will beg to disagree with your post. The captain does not have to be the best player on the pitch. Pat Rice was an Arsenal captain for a few years. Was not a world class player, but highly respected by his teammates. I remember he was once injured and Pat Jennings captained and we beat Manchester United. Go the Mighty Irish

  27. Samuel Akinsola Adebosin says:

    Sue, I was of the thinking you hardly get partisan involved in a debate like this one, to openly shows that you are in suppor of stripping Auba of the AFC captaincy armband.

    But for what serious offence should he be stripped? I’ve not read that he has committed any gross indiscipline act. Or a highly controversial action that bothers on gross act insubordination to club’s officials. Or bringing the name of the club into disrepute like engaging in drunkenness, fighting or getting involved in illicit crime like drug trafficking. Of which Auba has committed none. Save the lost of playing form for Arsenal that he’s currently undergoing. And for his breaching of match protocol. Which he was punished with a match benched.

  28. Samuel Akinsola Adebosin says:

    Sue, I was of the thinking you hardly get partisan involved in a debate like this one, to openly shows that you are in suppor of stripping Auba of the AFC captaincy armband.

    But for what serious offence should he be stripped? I’ve not read that he has committed any gross undisciplined act. Or a highly controversial action that bothers on gross act of insubordination to club’s officials. Or bring the name of the club into disrepute like engaging in drunkenness, fightings or getting involved in illicit crime like drug trafficking. Of which Auba has committed none. Save the lost of playing form for Arsenal that he’s currently undergoing. And for his breaching of match protocol. Which he was punished with a match benched.

    1. ozziegunner says:

      Samuel, Aubameyang may play better without the responsibility of being captain, a role which he is unsuited. The “weight” of the captaincy may be affecting his own performances.

    2. Sue says:

      Hi Samuel.. Unless loss of form/failing to convert his chances are reasons, I can’t see the captaincy being stripped from him.
      Something clearly isn’t right with Auba, but I can’t pinpoint what exactly, so to strip him of it right now – imagine the friction it would cause – we have more than enough problems to contend with right now!!
      At the end of the day it’s MA’s decision. And if decides to give the armband to somebody else next season – Tierney is the one for me!

  29. OnceGreat says:

    He never was captain material and I don’t understand why did they ever give the poor guy the armband.

    A captain can’t only “lead by example”. A captain is an authority figure and Auba doesn’t look the part. There’s nothing that oozes authority about him. In our current squad, players that qualify are Xhaka, Luiz, and Tierney.

  30. Saxone says:

    We are just making noise because we are losing and Aba is not scoring like last season. No one complained when he was appointed captain and still scoring goals. What if Auba regains form and start scoring?

  31. Phyllis says:

    I would make Tierney the captain all day long his dedication shows in every match he plays I am sorry there is no dedication coming from Aubameyang I say we move forward with Kieran who is a definite team player

    1. Bonakele Moni says:

      You’ll be all surprised when none of the above mentioned candidates in the comments is not selected as captain, instead you’ll see Rob Holding wearing the armband if PEA is stripped off or step down as captain which I believe won’t happen come the new season

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