To be a big club, you have to think and act like a big club. If it is true that Thomas Partey is demanding a pay rise to stay at Arsenal, the club should wish him all the best in his future endeavours.
The current regime once promised that after the Aaron Ramsey saga, no player would again be allowed to run down their contract. Yet the Gunners have repeatedly lost serious money under this policy. We were forced into a swap deal for Alexis Sánchez when he had only months left on his deal. That was also why we felt pressured into paying over the odds to keep Mesut Özil.
We quickly broke our own vow, repeating the same mistake with Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang. It has become common practice to loan out players until they become free agents or even pay them off to terminate their contracts.
Arsenal must not repeat past mistakes
Partey is legally entitled to negotiate with other teams. In fact, he has been free to do so since January. This time next year, the same will apply to Ethan Nwaneri and Myles Lewis-Skelly.
No player is bigger than the badge. So even if we are talking about a talent like William Saliba, the moment it becomes clear that an individual does not intend to commit to the Emirates, we should sell. That is what a big club would do.
Partey’s representatives will now be seeking the highest offer available. Some clubs may be willing to invest a large salary in a 32-year-old due to the absence of a transfer fee. It would be negligent of his agent not to create a bidding war.
However, the player may have actually made our decision easier. The only realistic compromise for him to remain in North London would be to accept a pay cut. If he is expecting an increase, then both sides are clearly far apart in their expectations.
Football is still a business
While I often question the ambitions of our owners and believe there is evidence that they hesitate to take the final step, I do respect that football is still a business. Like any business, the priority is to make money. On the pitch, we want success, but off it, decisions must make financial sense.
This time last year, Arsenal seemed comfortable with the idea that this would be Partey’s final season in red and white. And like any company, the Kroenke family have the right to assess an asset they have been paying £200,000 a week for over five years.
They are right to ask whether he has justified that level of pay. The answer, frankly, is no, not because of his ability, but due to his injury record, which of course is not his fault. Ironically, as soon as all parties reached that conclusion, he had one of his rare seasons of consistent fitness.
But we cannot commit over £200,000 a week based on one good year. We must consider his full record since arriving in England, especially with Martín Zubimendi now arriving.
To be a big club, you must act like a big club. Arsenal should determine Partey’s valuation and tell him: take it or leave it.
Let me know what your take is on the Partey situation in the comments below.
Dan Smith
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Well said, I don’t think he could play more than one more season at the highest level , so a pay cut is the best bet!
Partey 2 yea contract = 20m pounds even at current salary. We know he will not be fully fit, and again we have to buy another player.
Lucien Agoumé is a young French DM, Sevilla, 1m current salary, get him for 20m and double his salary.
Remember Wirtz is coming at 200k/week to Pool, and we have Havertz 280k, Jesus 265k, Zinchenko 150k. Time to cut non-performing players like Jesus and Zinchenko – they do not contribute minutes, even a youngster on low wages will be good replacement.
Dan I have to say that I agree with all you said in your fine post.
No player is bigger than the club, and I don’t care how good they are. 👍
No player is bigger than the club. He should take a pay cut to stay. If he chooses to leave we wish him well and also thank him for his contributions to Arsenal football club.
Yea Derek,
There was no “Pathey” in the PGG team that won the UCL this year.
There are good midfielders that could easily replace Pathey. Arsenal only need a very good scout team.
I like Pathey as an African Arsenal fan and for what he did for Arsenal, but no player is bigger than a club.
How do you prevent a player from running down his contract Dan?
Jax,
If a player is determined enough you can’t stop him running down his contract.
The power lays mainly with the player’s these days. Back in the day when Jimmy Hill stood up for the players to get them better deals, I don’t think even he meant for there to be a complete U-turn and for the players to have all the power that they have now.
For me, I would like to see it level out a bit. It’s not good for the game that player’s have such power. Whether people admit it or not, any right thinking person must surely realize that these players are grossly over payed for what they do. But you can’t blame them, as if the owners are willing to offer such riche’s their hardly going to turn it down are they.
I must admit I find it a bit sad though. Kids years ago were asked why do they want to become footballers, and they would answer because I love playing football.
Ask kids today, and their answer is very different. I want the best cars, a fancy house and so on. Sad but true. 🤷♂️
I think Partey’s answer is clear.
He isn’t asking the club for gratuity and pension while he goes on winter holiday partying with camels on sand dunes.
“Kids of those days” you might still find playing for the love of it are almost everywhere.
Get them.
You can be sure of it when they are over fifty years of age and still playing for love.
Get scouts out.
Bring them to Arsenal.
Let’s watch.
Love of money is a great football attribute.
Love for money would more easily make a player want to perform wonderfully and get good contracts than one who simply loves playing.
You cant literally I accept that
But lets take Saliba
If he turns down a contract right now you sell him
Yeah, I get what you mean.
And if he refuses to leave ?
Rarely happens mate
Herr Drier,
If he refuses to leave you have three options.
One, you except his decision and hope he’s professional and keeps playing to his capabilities.
Two, if you want to go down the route of making them train with the youngster’s. Not an ideal scenario I know.
Or three, you can do what we’ve done before and buy them out of their contract. Again not an ideal scenario.
But as I said in my earlier post, the main power these days belong to the player, which in my opinion can’t and shouldn’t be right. I’d like to see the power shift a bit more to the club to even things out a bit.
But I won’t be holding my breath on that one. 👍
Why would you want to offer a pay rise to a player that is done?
He can play the Jorginho role (substitute appearance).
Partey is physically done, he never used to be the most athletic but now he declined in mobility even more.
Pay cut or same wages for another year. No pay rises.
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100%. He’s a good player but he also brings a high risk of long term injuries – even on his current salary, that seems foolish.
If an good offer comes in for him, sell now and find a replacement. I’m sure we can get a promising backup even at 150K/week. I don’t know how long it will take Zubimendi to bed into the EPL, but he’s obviously a quality player, and I’m sure the club has run the rule extensively and has confidence it won’t take long.
Also, for me, he’s a problematic figure off the field too, so won’t be sad when we replace him.
Sell him ?, he is out of contract in 10 days !!
As always some people just live on sentiment when it comes to favourite players.
I can also see many posters on here saying that Partey was / is the best DM in the league.
I just don’t know how we can all watch the same games / players but we come to completely different assessments / conclusions.
To me Partey is a Box to Box midfielder who has always struggled defensively (mobility wise). He has always been slow and not the best defensively.
He is very good on the ball, given time and space, he can be very deadly. He functions well in a possession based team but up against more tricky, athletic and mobile opponents he has always struggled defensively.
And now that he is 32 year old he looked even more immobile.
Haven’t read the article, but having watched Thomas Partey this season, we’d be mad to let him go.
Thankfully, it seems Mikel feels the same way from comments he’s made, so let’s see what happens.
Ken
In a low blocks he is perfect for us as he doesn’t need to push up and down
A majority of our games we have the lion share of possession and when I watch TP he rarely breaks line, thread balls and is happy to move the side to side or backwards
His.legs are gone and he gets caught out a lot up top and unable to get back in time
Imo let him go and. Let’s get an upgrade
How TP became so so bad all of sudden is beyond me. I see alot of analysis now on hereb how he is so poor on different scenarios.
Can you please mention to me like i am a 10 year old how many players in EPL are better that TP at what he does. Some of us really like new toys. Hope Zubimendi hits the ground running and we don’t come back here regreting like we did for Xaka when TP is gone.
I agree 100%
Same here.
It takes time for a player to adopt in a new league, but Partey can’t ask for pay rise that will be very inconsiderate given length of time he has been on the sideline
The problem with viewers like this one is, they think the name of the club is what makes it a big club.
Question is, after you get rid of the best performing DM in the league, without a comparable alternative, what do you do to remain on top? Do you think Partey did not contribute to putting Arsenal where it is today? A salary increase that would not even make him the highest earner is so hard for you to fathom? Where’s your appreciation of his service?
Are you saying Arsenal is not a big club or that because they ARE a big club they should pay him? I think Arsenal ARE a big club and they should not give him a raise.
He absolutely was the best DM in the league but Zubimendi will replace him. But a player injured 60% of the time is not a player you can count on.
We are a massive club who don’t act like one
Think about the fans who have said 2nd should be applauded and is okay
Ask yourself if Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Barcelona , Inter Milan , Man City would say that
Arsenal is a small club if you are comparing it to the likes of Bayern, Real Madrid . . .
A big club that has won nothing in five years, and now wants to be penny wise n pound foolish by letting go of its best DM before finding an adequate replacement!
Some real Big Club mentality indeed!!!
We have a more than “adequate replacement” in Zubimendi.
I couldn’t agree more- what’s big about Arsenal really. In five years, we nothing to show. As a supporter, I think TP is well within his right to ask for a raise. If the team appreciates his input as the coach seem to believe he does then R10 grand more won’t bankrupt the Kroenkes. If he was available on the first leg against PSG- we would have done better.
What % of games was he unavailable for this season just gone due to injury NYC Gunner?
Just checked and he had three injuries that kept him out of ten games last season – so I’m not sure where the 60% figure came from. .
Agreed. 1-2 year max contract extension. As a big club we need to keep our highest performers. I completely understand Partey asking for a raise…he doesn’t have much time left to play at a high level. He was fantastic this season and was used well in multiple positions.
Best performing DM in the league ?, certainly not . He had a good season last time out but age is not on his side . To add, I am from his part of the world and based on what I know of his generation , I doubt he is less than 35 years old in reality
What do even mean by ” I am from his part of the world ” you must really be very ashamed of yourself for talking down on Thomas Partey and the whole continent of Africa like .
Is he lying brother?
Yes he is of course.
Talking the whole of Africa down ?, you must be a clown. What I have said is a fact re that generation of players particularly from two specific countries so be welcome to kid yourself
Not sure your statement about pay rise is fair. The 32-year-old midfielder is now a free agent. If he extends his contract with Arsenal, he will forego a lucrative signing bonus from the outside. What’s is wrong with asking to be compensated in full for staying?. That’ s the way the business works.
My worry is, without either Gorginho and Partey in our midfield next season, we will struggle.
Let’s just hope new boy Zubimendi will adapt quickly to the premier league. If he does not, we’re well and truly screwed.
I agree, a lot will be on Zubimendi’s shoulders if Partey leaves. Hopefully he cope really well. Hopefully!
I agree there should be no increase, but definitely not pay cut either. Just maintain the figures in his previous contract. If he’s not cool with it then he can leave.
I really hope we don’t increase his wages. That would be ridiculous for 32 year old player that clearly is struggling physically to keep up in midfield. It’s either he carries on with his current contract, take a pay cut or we should move him on.
The PSG, Newcastle and Liverpool games at the end of this season showed me clearly that Partey was done. If you get some time to rewatch those games you will see what I am saying. He was being left for dead by those strong Newcastle midfielders, he was chessing shadows and looked so immobile / unfit. They kept ghosting past him or just out run him consistently like he was not there. They would press him which resulted in him losing possession of playing back passes / square passes.
But I do think that in possession / when we have a lof of the ball (possession) Partey comes alive. The problem arises when he comes up against strong / athletic midfielders. He looked immobile.
Well said. Fans don’t want to hear it but for sustained success, you need to know when to let people go. Why we should also sell Leo while we can and get 2 more dynamic wingers along with Saka and Gabby.
It’s his right to ask for a raise. After all he is a free agent and can ask for whatever he wants but that doesn’t mean Arsenal must give in to his demand. From the team perspective, what will it cost them to get equivalent player to replace him. I believe he is still the first choice for DM since no one knows how Zibumendi will adopt to EPL. It can easily cost the team north of 50m to find player who is as good as Partey
Who said it wasn’t his right ?
It’s our right to say no as well
You are right and I think a great side could use a lot of depth especially in the DM area. Partey was a big miss in the first leg against PSG and that was a major blow which affected the return leg of the game is Paris. Having Zubimendi and Partey sounds great especially when you’re competing in 4 major competitions like, UCL, EPL, FA cup and Carling cup.
If we’re talking this immediately after PSG loss, everyone was saying Partey out. He didn’t finish the season well and professional. He’s aged he needs to go out to less demanding leagues. Period! He didn’t respect Arsenal the way Arsenal did despite his off field unnamed matter. Good luck TP!
Agree with you here Dan.
We’ve been debating him for years, on several fronts. He’s a great player when fit – one of our best. But as the cliché goes, availability is the best ability. He’s not getting any younger or faster. If we can keep him as an option for another season, fine. Otherwise, let him find another club that is willing to pay over the odds.
Yeah Wilshere
That would not be a pay rise though
As if a current international is going to take a pay cut to sign a new contract 😂😂🙄
Who said he should ?
The headline of this article 🙄
No mate headline of article doesn’t say that
The headline says exactly THAT: just with different wordings.
And the body of this article goes on to stress HE HASN’T DONE ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY HIS PAY for missing missing games through injuries.
What else?
I understand the club may lose him and so decided to place Saka higher than him in the rankings last season…
Political matters.
Be that as it may:
Big clubs also pay super players big money to keep them on the bench.
Contingency . . .
The headline doesn’t say that at all
It says “Arsenal Midfielder Should Be Offered A Pay Cut, Not A Pay Rise”, which the headline writers probably composed from the clue in heavy type in your article.
Also you can’t you exactly and different in the same sentence lol
In Safeguarding for example, if there is a disclosure you write exactly what was said.
You wouldn’t say
‘ I wrote exactly what was said ……but some of the words are different lol ‘
Keep dancing around the English language for convenience.
I believe you observed THAT.
2+3=5
Two plus 3 is exactly 5.
However you put it.
It may be referred to as 10.
2+3=10.
That is base 4 . . . .
Exactly. Same thing.
What the headline is:
Arsenal midfielder should be offered a pay cut, not a pay rise = Partey’s salary should be decreased, not increased!
Exactly the same thing.
From forward to goalpost (Martinelli, Trossard, Havertz, Merino, Saka, Nwaneri, Ødegaard ) there was no player close to being better than Thomas Partey was for Arsenal last season until you got to midfield where it was Declan sweet Rice as star actor and him running the show as director. As you go down the turf you find Raya and Saliba worthy of mention for players of the season.
Saka – not enough games.
Megalhaes – not enough games.
Timber – not enough games.
Lewis Skelly – not enough games.
Ødegaard – well?
Jesus, Kiwior, Zinchenko, Tomiyasu, who else?
You know the story.
Young men couldn’t stay fit but an old man could.
Cut story short.
Partey would get it whether you might agree a British pay rise is the same as a pay raise.
The American will do it.
If he doesn’t the Arabs would do it even bigger because Partey deserves it.
No mate , I wrote what Arsenal should do not the player
What I think Arsenal should do and what Partey has to do is different
An owner might say to my boss
You should offer Dan 30-000 K a year
Doesn’t mean I have to accept
No mate your missing the point
You think the title is me being the word police but it’s literally your understanding
I’m not saying a couple of words make the difference
Im saying the article is about what Arsenal should do
I was then told but no one would accept a pay cut to which I explained that im not saying Partey should accept or reject it
I’m coming at it from Arsenal’s viewpoint
Dancing around the English language ?
That’s what’s wrong with the world lol
People should care more about words
( Again that’s me saying Should not that they will lol )
When you refer to the Arsenal as ours and talk about “we” in decision making . . .
You are very wrong with use of words.
Arsenal belongs to Kroenke or his company.
So one can say someone owns what owns this Arsenal.
You do not own Arsenal.
I do not own Arsenal
This site does not own Arsenal.
WE don’t own Arsenal.
It isn’t ours like we collectively own it.
Neither are we officially contracted to be its advisors.
I stand to be corrected.
If that be the case:
We are in no position to even as much as suggest what the club owners “should” do or expect anything from our wishes because they are irrelevant under such circumstance.
We then can all stay mute and watch because our opinions don’t count.
Not all that can be counted counts.
And we should not refer to Arsenal as ours since that would translate to covetousness.
I”m not answering on behalf of Dan, but briefly and for myself, Arsenal is the team WE support, so by default it is OURS.
…and if you wish to support Kroenkes’ team…you’re very welcome.
I think the WE by default:
you mean Kroenke owns you and some others.
Hahahah.
That’s nice.
Me not inclusive.
I wasn’t bought as part of shares.
Neither was I included in any takeover documentation.
I was not purchased.
😁
You supporting your friend during his wedding doesn’t make his wife yours.
. . . and support Kroenkes’ team I might have been doing.
Now my articles get allot of views so I’m used to a certain amount of fans trying to get attention but this is cringe lol
Thrill
In a literal sense you are right about Arsenal FC not being ours
However, most Arsenal supporters feel that they belong to the “Arsenal tribe/family and use ours/we to attach ourselves to that group. Our family. Our club
Yeah Sue we are part of Arsenal community
I’m sensing you had not watched Arsenal for long but without fans there is no Arsenal
I’m with you SueP.
👍🏽
I understand that very well.
Whatever makes one feel positively attached to the club is needed for progress and is very much welcomed.
I just wanted to stress Dan for wanting to stress some of us with unneeded liturgical appropriativeness.
Although I have 0% stake in it until I wager, Arsenal is my club.
😊
🤝
✌🏽
Thrill,
Regarding your post on the word we.
Looking at your take on the word we, if Arsenal were to win the Premier League, and I know that’s a big if. But if they were to win it.
Would we as fans be able to sing the song:
We are the Champions my friends, and we’ll go on fighting until the end, because we are the Champions, we are the Champions, no time for loser’s, because we are the Champions of the World. (Sorry I got a bit carried away there, but you get my point I hope).
Oh those were the days, when we (OOPS! there I go again using the word we 🙄) actually won the League under George Graham and Arsene Wenger.
You get some fans who are financially attached to said club, some are emotionally attached, and some are both. So, I think it perfectly understandable that the word we is used. Of course it’s not factually true, but it doesn’t really matter in the full scheme of things does it.
And just an aside from me. And I know it’s not strictly relevant, in fact it’s more of a look into how my mind works to be honest😂.
But our greatest and most successful manager’s second name’s first two letters start WE, and with him being French, what’s the word for yes in French. I know it’s spelt differently(OUI), but let me have this one.🤣
But at the end of the day, we all support the ARSENAL. And yes Thrill, I used that word WE again. 👍
@DEREK:
Managers are rated by trophies.
Trophies have levels and Tottenham won the most scornful one last season with Chelsea picking another.
How many Europeans titles did WEnger win for him to be Arsenal’s greatest and most successful manager ever?
How many international titles?
But I do agree with you on the later part though.
👍🏽
We support Kroenke’s club, Arsenal.
😊
Yes we do.
We say Wenger is the most successful manager in Arsenal history because no other Arsenal manager won as much as him lol
Derek:
Domestic titles.
Domestic titles.
Domestic titles.
Domestic titles.
I thought the international ones are more worthy of note!
EPL and fa cup bigger than the cup winners’ cup?
I get it.
I think I get it 🤔
That’s correct mate
Prem is massive – Mr Wenger won 3 , playing lovely football , going unbeaten and not spending that much
FA Cup is bigger then Cup Winners Cup – Mr Wenger won 7 of them
No other manager came close
That’s awesome.
The League Cup must be bigger than the Champions League until Arsenal wins it.
🫣
Dan, English does not appear to be Thrill’s first language.😏
I’m glad because even my biggest critics will see it’s bullying
You , Ken , Admin !!! , etc all refer to Arsenal as We lol
Thierry Henry said on the Overlap
‘ We need to win a Cup ‘ ?
Why did Gary Neville not say
‘ what do you mean We ? ‘
It’s out of habit I suppose. I’ll be watching now to see if you say it🤣
No mate, I actually disagree with his point anyway.
It’s not for tell me or anyone how we feel.
As fans and especially as a customer I am a stakeholder of Arsenal so by definition i’m a stakeholder of the football club
Hence do you think he’s never heard the words , ‘ we lost 1-0’ or ‘ I think we will win the title ‘
Not just me by the way
Pundits , ex players or use we
If you have a quick scan on this whole comments section looks how many refer to the club / team as us / we
So I will be carrying on saying we , us , our, etc
It’s a huge issue when someone tries to be clever who isn’t lol
Lets now see if he corrects every writer , reader , admin , pundit , media who says it lol
I don’t own any land in England so by his thought process England is not my country or our country lol
Could be there all day lol
Dan, I agree with you regarding wording, punctuation etc
As, once again, I bring up Jon Fox who always said it’s the content and the message that counts and we all get your message loud and clear mate, even if some of us disagree with it.
The Arsenal will always be a club owned by the supporters, without them the club doesn’t exist.
Thierry Henry could be talking about Monaco, NYRB, Juventus,,, and say “we”.
It is commonly used . . .
Doesn’t make it correct as you want grammer spiced with logic.
If every word is scrutinized as Dan wants – the only appropriate use of “we” on ownership would be Stan talking to Josh or some other descendant of his about Arsenal. Maybe with his wife.
It therefore is not ‘(y)our’ club if you are not part of that circle – however you look at it.
It is their club we jointly support.
You can say ‘we’ as fans. That is correct. Very correct.
Staff can say ‘we’ as workers. Correct.
Players can say ‘we’ as footballers. Very correct.
But to say “our club” is actually something else if “words” are evaluated.
The club you support isn’t yours, factually and truthfully.
You might say our club for a feeling of belonging or sensationalizing falsehood- but it isn’t our club.
I patronize a hangout regularly . . .
That doesn’t make it my lounge.
I am a fan of China.
That doesn’t make it my country.
For example:
I work for a company and could say my company, this; my company, that.
For communication purpose . . .
But if language were to be correct:
I am an employee.
And it simply isn’t my company.🤔
I can be fired from “my company” for taking job time to write this if I were on duty.
One can even be fired just because someone feels like it.
I may say in “my company” or “our company”, “we” do this, and do that…
Those are emotional lines.
Not quite correct.
The correct statement “should” be:
The company I work with does this and that!
. . . and bullying?
Oh! Come off it, Dan.
Vieira bullied dudes playing against Arsenal – I do not mean this current Vieira who gets rumpled, easily – and most of the fans loved it.
Superior argument is now bullying.
How great that works.
There is poetry and there is reality, literarily.
And Jax:
English may not even be my third language, yet I seem to have a clearer understanding of its structure and application than you do appear to possess.
And by the way:
Gary Neville usually says almost all dumb things.
There was not a way he was going to ask that reasonable question.
😁
What do you mean by WE, Thierry?
Then Henry goes:
When “we” won that Champions League cup with Barcelona . . . .
Blah blah blah.
Imaginary WE.
Lots of people and channels in the media say it because lots of them are usually factually wrong just like you.
The media is mainly about sensationalism . . . Poetry . . . Hype. . . Glamour . . . And overrated glory sentiments.
That you know.
Seems like lots of people agreed to be wrong, together.
Doesn’t make them right, Dan.
It doesn’t.
No mate Henry was asked a question and he used the word we
Go research the word stakeholders and your see that fans can clarify Arsenal as being apart of
This is the issue when you try to be clever
Me saying we makes more sense then you writing about America and England like they are anything but pieces of land
As for the bullying
Don’t confuse yourself, I could care less
You just make yourself look small because
Ken , Sue , Jax , H Dier , Admin , TV , media all use the word we , us m our , etc
Yet the only person you call out for it is ……..the one who gets the most traction
Everyone will now notice that and that will now stay with you lol
Let me try to explain it you
Garry Neville asked about Arsenal and Henry was speaking about Arsenal so that’s how we know both were ….talking about Arsenal lol
Henry says we because as an ex player and now he claims fan that makes him a stakeholder
Do you want me to explain what that is ?
So a parent might go……
‘ oh I heard of that place , that’s our hospital ‘
Or ‘ that’s my school ‘
So ‘ my country is England ‘
I don’t own any land in England but I am a stakeholder of England
Im sensing your young , old or English is not your first language so if you need any help mate let me know wink 😉
Just the way you put it . . .
It is looking more and more like you don’t understand your native language, clearly.
Your argument sounds like:
I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG because I AM POPULAR AND YOU ARE NOT.
“Henry claims . . . ”
Just as he claimed the ball with his hand and made a pass for someone to score.
Well, I do think some (maybe many) might agree with you – Henry was right – not me.
Yes mate
If read up.on stakeholders Henry is correct and you are wrong
It’s your opinion though if you choose not to a stakeholder but you can’t tell others what to do dude
I invest my time and energy into Arsenal so I’m a stakeholder
Even if you look at it as a business
I have a red membership for over a decade , buy merchandise so as a customer I’m a stakeholder in Arsenal so in your attempt to be clever your just confirming you don’t understand the meaning of s stakeholder
Hence your the only person out of fans , pundits , ex players , who don’t agree that we should say ‘ we won 1-0’
Do you really think they are all wrong and your correct dude
Until you realize
stakeholder ≠ shareholder
in this context.
Understand it.
But I don’t mean you have to admit, anyway, that is the situation.
🤝
So a headline that says “Arsenal midfielder Should Be Offered a Pay Cut, Not a Pay Rise” isn’t saying Partey should take a pay cut ?
It is codedly saying Partey should leave Arsenal.
Dan’s clever systematic opinionativeness.
Partey should leave Arsenal.
And if he doesn’t?
Well, that is the reason Ødegaard won’t perform adequately, next season.
And Arsenal won’t win the league unbeaten.
Very deep mate lol
You look allot into things
No , it’s as simple as I would pay a 32 year old more then 200-000 pound a week due to his injury record
. . . and I must add:
ARTETA IS CLUELESS.
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That’s right mate you finally got it lol
Let me help you as I had enough fun with it lol
Writing what Arsenal should do is not what Partey should do lol ?
So I think Arsenal should offer him a reduced contract
He doesn’t have to agree
Trying to think how I can simplify it for you mate
Okay try this ……
‘ My brother should propose to his GF’ is not the same ‘ she has to accept the proposal’
Or……’ Arsenal should rest Declan Rice’ is not the same as Rice accepts being rested .
And by the way Arsenal will agree
They wont get in a bidding war
I never met someone who tries so hard but is wrong so often
I’m like 4 steps ahead
Do you want me to tell you or do you want to work it out mate lol
Try looking in a mirror to see a person who tries to be right but so often is wrong in what they write.
You say that but I said we wouldn’t win title – right – you
Wouldn’t win CL – right
Said there was racism in our fanbase- right
Said Mr Wenger was most successful in our history – right
Corrected you not knowing about drinking culture and making up man of the match
Predicted Man City would spend more in January lol
I bet you it comes out that Arsenal are not willing to increase Parteys wages
Again mate that’s not the same as Partey has to accept that
You wrote that Kroenke joined the board in 2007. Wrong. He became a Board member in 2008.
You wrote that Mikel played at Left Back, which he did, without considering why. Both our Left Backs, Tierney and Kolasinac, were out injured. Imo, you wrote that as just another way to have a go at the manager.
You’ve previously posted a few times that Wenger was sacked due to not finishing in the top 4. Wrong. He was sacked because he refused to work with a DoF/SD.
Those are just 3 examples off the top of my head.
Now as for you posting that I didn’t know about the drinking culture at the club 😂. I know all about the Tuesday Club. I also know which player got put on his arse during one of those sessions by a real Gooner. Do you know the player ? If you think the players gave up alcohol then you are very naive.
Who’s the Mikel who played at left back lol ?
I missed out the name Saka. Remember what you wrote in your article about attackers under Mikel ? Or has amnesia set in ?
How can I have amnesia if you don’t put the right name lol
But yes mate
Again ( because of my theory )
Mikel played as a midfielder not a left back
Yes I wrote Saka played left back because ……he played left back lol
I never denied anyone was injured
You will find times though when a lb was fit for club and country and he played there mate
Clearly you want to constantly trip me up
But while I’ll have a debate and love that you contribute to making my articles the most read on this site I can’t keep correcting you or educating you on Arsenal
So mate I think we need boundaries
Unless it’s about the subject matter I’m not engaging
There was this other lad obsessed with my work and he ended up going crazy lol
So this article is about me saying if I were Arsenal I wouldn’t be offering a pay rise to Partey ( which I’ll be correct about )
Do you not remember writing your article about attackers under Arteta 🤔
You educating me on The Arsenal 🤣🤣 pmsl. You must be smoking some heavy sh*t to come up with that 😂😂
The one he completely ignored Merino . . .
The most recent attacker.
And also didn’t include Ødegaard for not being involved often in a front three’.
This Dan.
Might be a Spurs fan on loan to Arsenal.
That’s because Odegarrd does not play in a front three and Merino I believe was brought as a CM and only played as an attacker as an emergency
If you saying I left him out on purpose that would make sense as I would t rate him high on the list lol
The emergency attacker who scored more premier league goals than Bukayo Saka isn’t worthy of note as he wouldn’t be rated highly.
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Dan you are wonderful.
Didn’t we once have an aging or injury prone player (can’t remember who TBH), who we offered a deal to based on the number of games they played?
You can’t blame Partey or his reps asking for a better deal, but I doubt if he’ll get what he requests.
Jax, that player may well have been Diaby. I was surprised we signed him, considering he spent most of his time at Auxerre in the treatment room.
HD, might’ve been him, or Wilshire.
Herr Drier and Jax,
I make you both right. Diaby’s real troubles started after a certain Sunderland player decided to both break and dislocate his ankle in the dying minutes of our 3-0 away win. He then seemed to get injured with a twisted sock it would seem. Only Diaby could kick a player in the head and get injured in the process and the player (John Terry) carried on playing and completed the League Cup final. You couldn’t make it up.
And I to seem to remember a pay as you play contract being mooted regards to Wiltshire’s. I once heard that one of the reasons that was thought to be behind Wiltshire’s constant ankle injury’s, was that he ran bowlegged. Which if you watch is true, and they said because of that, there was more pressure on his ankles. Hence he was more susceptible to ankle injury’s.
True or not I couldn’t tell you. 👍
Derek, Diaby had massive injury problems before joining us. At Auxerre he could only manage a hand full of games in each of the 2 seasons he was there. The rest of the time he was out injured.
That tackle on Diaby by Dan Smith was disgusting. I can’t remember if he got a red card for it.
Herr Drier,
I can’t remember if he got sent off either. Filthy challenge though.👍
I think it was either Riley or Dean who gave the red card, but only after seeing the horrendous damage done.
When one thinks of the tackle on Aaron Ramsey, the assault on Rayes by the Neville brothers
as well as the Duaby one, it makes complete sense that we, as a club under Wenger, always felt the PGMOL never intended to protect our players… and it’s still happening today with Saka as a prime example.
Ken1945,
I remember that game against United, the Neville brothers were taking it in turns to kick lumps out Reye’s.
Also the players you mention that have been injured horrendously over time in our colours. Do you remember the challenge from a Birmingham player on Eduardo, he was just starting to find his form with Arsenal when he got crocked badly. Sadly he was never the same player on his return.
Although that said I remember him scoring a beauty against Burnley with the outside of his right foot.
Based on his body of works since he joined , I would say Arsenal should let him go . Last season was his best as he was virtually injury free for once. He is not going to get better, will be bit part going forward so why not give Sambi a chance to be a back up ?
Why should Partey be given a pay cut? Is it because he is a black? Isn’t he better that less performers who have been bought at high cost to waste clubs money.🤔
Arteta must be serious and stop favouring some players at the expense of others. Who knows, even the assistant couch may have left for the same reasons that forced Edu out.
If this continues, Arsenal may go without trophies for many seasons to come 🤔🤔🤔
What a ridiculous comment ?, do you watch any of the matches at all ?. What has his race got to do with anything ?
You read an article of why he should be offerec a pay cut yet are asking why I think he should be offered a pay cut ?
BERNARD LIHASI OMEGA,
Why bring colour into it. This article just happens to be about Partey.
It could have been about any player, and would have still been worth the debate.
Skin colour has nothing to do with it🙄🤦♂️🤷♂️.
@Bernard.
Wow, your absolute intelligence came through here.
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I see only the colour of the shirt unlike you
Bernard, if you’re going to be racist find a club in your country of Uganda to follow, as at The Arsenal we don’t want racists !
Mate for once we agree lol
Arsenal has to decide on what’s best for Arsenal
Thomas Partey has to decide what’s best for him without being faulted for it. I thought it’s that simple.
After all, we are a big club that acts like a very small club. We expect to win trophies with left backs and inverted this-and-that and we completely ignore an important need for a striker? We all admit Thomas Partey has been our best defensive midfielder so far and we are happy to be bashing him for the endless and sometimes needless experiments on the right back ……..
For endless seasons we have had a glaringly unproductive left wing that we are not at all dealing with and we want ‘to act big club’ on Thomas Partey?!! How do we define consistency?
Thomas Partey has a contract that’s coming to end. Boy loves the club. And I sincerely don’t believe Partey is the worst player all round we have had for him to deserve the level of negativity I’m seeing with some above. And probably we are not told everything around this story. We are given tit-bits and we get eotioally abused of it. We can’t be so petty and so obviously so biased against him. If what is on the table is not of mutual benefit, can the parties go separate ways without much drama.
The Manager knows what he wants and he should know how to deal with it and be held accountable for it. For a little while and quite frankly, my Arsenal has consistently not made decisions and acted like a big club.
Fully agree with the article Dan. 200k a week is much more than most of the players in the club combined. If Partey really wants a pay rise, he should move to Saudi. As Derek quite rightly said earlier, people are now only playing for money.
What I’m worried about is that if we agree for a pay rise, other players earning less might want more. Imo if Partey refuses the contract we should sell him. There is no point keeping him because we have Zubimendi now. Are we really going to pay 200k to a bench warmer?
Sell him ? , he is out of contract mate
“200k a week is much more than most of the players in the club combined”.🤣🤣🤣
That was a reply to TJ.
Partey has those stand out games where he really is ” the boss”, but it doesn’t happen consistantly enough for him to be deemed an indispensable player. When off his game his passing radar is atrocious and he often slows things down or passes backwards. He was not there for the team two years ago after Rice totally outplayed him and he then disappeared. Don’t blame him for any physical injuries but I believe he was done mentally as well. Had a decent season last year, avoided injury ( one of our very few) but not a great season. Would make a quality bench player, but not at right back please.
You are a very hard taskmaster Joe if you consider that Partey was only “decent” last season.He was excellent in the vast majority of matches i saw, but given his age i agree with the writer of the article when it comes to declining to increase his current salary.I believe Partey will leave and with the departure of Jorjinho, we will need to recruit 2 central midfielders unless Arteta intends to use LMS in that department.I believe we are interested in the young French player Lucien Agoume of Seville who is a physically tough, ball winning midfielder who is extremely athletic and is adept at pressing.I would not be averse to losing Partey if we can secure the likes of Zubemendi and Agoume.
Deep respect Grandad but I am am a bit anal about defining excellent. You definitely saw a lot more games than I did because I haven’t watched us play since I returned to Japan in mid March. But before the two Real Madrid stand out performances there were a number of games where we were lame and couldn’t get the job done. Partey did nothing wrong and at the same time did nothing great,so stale mate. He is “strong” at picking up those 50/50 balls, not so good at running forward and getting a defense to panic and make mistakes. Perhaps it’s not all his fault. He and Rice are both defensive ” water carriers”, which puts so much pressure on both to create something that is not always in their job description, and are required to to do something special so as not have to leave it all up to Odegaard. In any case, I haven’t forgotten the 22/23 season when Partey was one of the main bottlers and definitely let the team down before conveniently or fortunately getting injured.
He should definitely go, not even a pay cut is worth keeping him at his age he is done we have a young squad at 32 he is too old for us. Shake his hand and wish him well. 200k a week is alot, we need to let Jesus go as well his salary is too high.
Liverpool have agreed high-paying contract extensions with both Salah and VVD and will also acquire Virts. How many chances do we have to surpass them with only Zubimendi instead of Partey from the start of the season, and even with Sesko in place of Havertz. Arteta has stated that he wants to stay. He knows more than us. Berta has to find a way, of course within the framework that the owners have set for him.
Sorry, I meant “more than many of the players in the club”
Thanks
I’m glad this topic came up. First of, Partey the best DM last season? I think y’all missed out on Gravenberch( and to think it was his first time playing that position). Secondly, like most ppl here have rightly said, Partey’s legs are gone. He’s good in distribution and possession but always plays catch up when we’re being caught on the counter. And lastly, why should a big club give a 32 yr old a pay rise with nothing to show for it? Have we won anything recently that should suggest such a move? Let’s stop being sentimental and get an upgrade, except we’re all satisfied with playing runners up on the log
@ Ladi Gravenberch was a DM/box-to-box at Bayern. lol
All you need to know about Partey is that by the clubs who are interested in him, watch him soar at any club he goes to. This deal isn’t about money. He has not been treated fairly.
You tell a player to take a pay cut while Jesus and Havertz earn well over him. lol
Think he’s going Turkey
At 32 your career is not over and partey may well have a great season next year he was one of our best performers this year
If he wants 30k a week more you give it to him, that’s 1.2M a year more 2.4M over a two year extension. Or 4.8M roughly over two years of he is asking for 60k a week. What player will you get to replace him for 2.4M / 4.8 M in transfer fees ? You spend 30M to get a mediocre bench warmer? With zubi now being first choice with Rice and oodegard.
It depends on what fees he is asking for, but it’s not a pay decrease people.
@ Eamon12 Thank you for being sensible here .
Except Party is not really 32 in age. That is the fact most of fans failed to take to consideration. He is an excellent player but his legs are gone and in epl we need player with both excellence and mobility.
Partey has to be one of the most disrespected Arsenal players.
Anyone who thinks Rice was better than him last season is sincerely funny.
He had injuries, which is normal, but when the coach chooses to play him as a RB, who should I blame?
Zubimendi isn’t better than Partey from what I have seen.
We would, at the very least, spend 60 million to replace Partey. Ask yourself, does it make sense when we are yet to bolster our attack?
Players like Partey, Rodri, Guardiola, and Mikel never really get their due. A portion of this fan base insulted Partey and called him a rapist despite knowing all they had were allegations.
He was among the most available players this last season, and the club didn’t deem it fit to tie up this deal a while back. They were dilly-dallying as they always do, and now we are here.
I’m not sure we will be in the top 3 from the body language of the club thus far.
As for the delusional fans who love Sesko over proven talent, well, we will see.
Havertz earns 285k a week, and Jesus makes more than Partey. Yet nobody tells them to take a pay cut. Once again the disrespect is glaring.
The reason why nobody is telling other players to take a pay cut is because they’re not at the end of their contracts as Partey is, which is the whole focus of this excellent article.
Jax,
Point well made. 👍
…also, Podri, who never “gets his due” won Ballon d’Or & Guardiola is generally recognised as one of the best ever, and I can safely say that nobody here has ever accused Partey of being a rapist.
You’re just making it up as you go.
Oh thank you lol
Exactly
@gizzle:
You seem to miss how a big club we are. We don’t let players bully us.
Partey must just move on. He’s the worst defensive midfielder/right back we’ve had in years.
It’s time for us to get better players for our plenty trophies next year
Why is he “bullying” the club?
It seems The Arsenal have offered him a contract which he doesn’t want to sign, but has offered the club the contract he would sign.
I don’t see bullying at all.
I think everyone is entitled to his own opinion, so Dan statement is his own opinion which I agree with.
Partey or players of his age don’t expect salary increments normally. The reason why he wasn’t offered the contract earlier was because of his injury history. Nobody expects him to play the numbers of games he had this season. I would have expect Partey to take the pay cut. He would have, I believe, if he’s had another injury ladden season.
Arteta want him to stay and I will respect the club decision if they have to increase his salary to achieve that.
Let Zubimendi resume and hopefully we will then come to realise how good or bad Partey was. I have watch Zubimendi with keen interest. He plays in most similar ways like Rice. Roams the pitch a lot. Hmmm, defensive midfielder, time will tell. Might require some time to bed in and that’s when the old horse Partey might come handy