I’ve been reading lots of articles regarding the Arsenal starlet Charlie Patino. Juventus apparently want him, we’re willing to use him as a bargaining chip…
I think, and hope, most fellow gooners would’ve been as irked as I was reading those articles. Granted I shouldn’t allow said articles to bother me, but they manage to chip away…
Sure, he’s ‘pure profit’ were we to sell him. But he’s also pure quality. Palmer at Chelsea anyone?! 2 loan seasons in a row has been presented as a means to his inevitable transfer away, but really?
I’m convinced Arteta is playing the same game as he did with Saliba, much to our annoyance admittedly. Patino is clearly hugely talented, and fortunately the exact type of player we’re crying out for – Xhaka who?
Is Arteta really oblivious enough to use Patino as a make weight? Or, as should be abundantly clear, is he giving him the time to gain experience and to mature as a player and person (seemingly most importantly for Arteta) before integrating him to the squad next year….
Time will tell but I for one will be genuinely annoyed should Patino not be in our squad come next season.
COYG.
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Arsenal need finished article now, if it means trading Patino with the old lady to get a proven goal scoring monster as Vlohovic across the line so be it.
But Arsenal could always include a buy back clause in any deal.
Juventus would most likely not want to trade Vlahovic with Patino, because Vlahovic is currently their most productive CF
Vlahovic’s goal celebrations showed that he really loved Juventus and are working very hard in Serie A matches to get a new contract extension. He also refused to join us two years ago
As for Patino’s comparison with Palmer, the latter was one of main players for England U-21 and more skilled/ physically-bigger as an inverted-RW/ AM
Patino may be able to play regularly in Xhaka’s or Odegaard’s position next season. But I don’t think he’ll become as explosive as Palmer, because of his position and pace
@Gai, as per skill set I think they have different skills. Patino won’t be able to play in Xhaka’s role because he isn’t very physical. He is a very technical player like Odegard.
My worry is Arteta hasn’t been given Academy players much chance. It took Nelson and ESR some loan spell before joining the group. He may be sold eventually. That’s the difference with Wenger who believes a lot in the academy players.
I also think Patino will be successful in Odegaard’s position, because of his attacking skills. I believe Xhaka’s role requires someone who’s played DM for years
As for Arteta, I suspect he’s under pressure to win a major trophy as soon as possible, hence the lack of young talent promotion. If he wins UCL this season, I think he will start to integrate some hot prospects from our academy
@gai, unfortunately, with the form of Real Madrid and Anceloti at the helm and then Bayern and Tuchel at the top Plus City and Pep, I don’t see Arsenal winning UCL. Arteta’s lack of experience will show. But I rate us to go far. I Hope we finish this season well but as per trophies, I “ll stick with my reservations.
Gai, Vlohovic was available in the summer transfer window, Juventus Football director, Giuntoli,offered the Serbian to Chelsea in a swap deal with Lukaku going the other way, but the Blues changed their mind on paying the £34 mill.
Maybe, but Vlahovic is currently Juventus’ most prolific CF
If using him as a bargaining chip will help us get Vlahovich without violating FFP rules, that’s better imo. There’s no guarantee that Arteta would integrate him into first team next season. Arteta rarely gives academy products opportunities and it’s affecting the club.
Patino or not Patino! It is obvious Patino is a young and promising midfield player. What is again obvious is Vlahovic is a young and established striker, one of the best goal scorer in the world today. What is more obvious is that Arsenal is deficient in scoring goals and that is the major problem that we have now. If Arsenal chiefs can find a lasting solution to this without gambling and retain Patino, it will be fine. But if this is not possible at the moment please Patino can be traded for Vlahovic for the club to progress and win laurels. There is common sense in trading what you have to get what you want. This is the theory of life period.
Why not take Elneny’s place on the roster next year? He can develop further and learn the style of play in Arteta’s system.
1. Perfect opportunity to add Patino to the 1st team roster
2. Costs nothing in transfer fees
3. IMO a better player than Vieira
4. Evaluate him with the staff before making any transfer decisions.
This constant checkbook managing cannot go on forever. Arteta must use the resources available, and the talent in our academy is a perfect example.
No one is saying play them straight away, but certainly replace ElNeny, Vieira, Cedric, who rarely play for us.
100% true
I have said it before Durand, some of his methods are not just sustainable
👍sane approach, Durand.
Juve wouldn’t include vlahovic in any deal..
With mbappe’s future still not resolved and if he does decide to stay at psg , then Madrid would turn to vlahovic who would provide goals and give Madrids already agreed signing endrick time to settle in .
As patino – juve were once brilliant at getting young talents but look at what has happened in the last 4-5 years . Bentacur, romero, kulsiveski all highly rated players who juve unsettled at there previous clubs to get the player wanting to leave and a paltry transfer fee. Even the new player draguisin who has joined spurs was at juve before genoa.
All what juve will do is play Platino for a while drop him and then sell him … the last thing we want to see is him back in the PL for another club.
It’s a big second half of the season for smith Rowe and viera , arteta really needs to bring on smithrowe when odegaard isn’t playing well, rather than keep saying he will get chances . Viera needs the chances also. Those two there biggest issues are injuries – which could be a reason to clear at the end of the season .. next season patino will get chances at arsenal.
If Patino is sacrificed as part of a deal to get Vlahovic, I will be almost as annoyed as the article writer.
Arteta is gambling with the team.This lack of knowledge on who fits where will cost him.Let himsell Kai H + Elnein + Cedric + Veira and buy a good striker but retain Patino and intergrate him into senior team.
The lad should stay,” fight for his place” , train hard and he would get his 3 minutes of glory when the match is being done and dusted. For careers sake the lad should seek a transfer or end up losing his skillsets and confidence by working with this first team manager or what he calls himself.
@Indian Gunner
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Exactly
This boring lie of fighting for your place is getting old now. Only works with teams where players are picked on form.
Patino is not quite the finished article and right now is not the first name on the team sheet at the swans. He is technically a great player, but needs to work on his game off the ball . He needs to stay at Swansea and get more game time needs to toughen up a bit too . I really like him , very intelligent lad , but he may disappear if he’s not left to develop. The Swans get more loners than most . I saw it with Brewster, he left too soon, probably Agent greed although injuries didn’t help.. look after the lad he’s class good luck to him 👍👍👍🏴
I agree. Patino is a keeper. Also ESR is twice as good as Havertz. Arteta is starting to fail us. Havertz £65 mill? Sick!!!!
Patino is better than both of them and Vieira but I believe he will be the ideal replacement for Partey, as he’s tall, strong, good in the tackle and can also go past the opposition and score.
You are 100% right Sean. ESR is class and in my opinion should be in front of Havertz in the pecking order. What’s more he’s already gelled with the team as he’s been there from young. Since Havertz has been starting, our transitions from midfield to attack are slow and predictable, there’s no urgency from him to turn when he’s back is to goal, and try a forward pass. Havertz is what I call a stat player, looks good on paper because only goes for the safe, short pass option, so his pass completion rate looks good, exactly like sideways, short pass Arteta when he was playing.
Patino, our academy player deserves a chance by us. He’s put his head down, got on with the loans, never complained and is developing well. His thighs are massive and decent height on him as well. I can’t see him getting bullied that easily when he matures. Viera on the other hand, looks as thin as when he first joined and does get bullied off the ball by players smaller than him!
The way Arteta is handling our youngster’s is poor, in my opinion. Playing for the Arsenal academy and under 18’s has always been a route into the first team and I was proud that our club used to give youngster’s plenty of chances to break into the first team. Sadly, this has now been stripped from our identity and I know foresee that our academy will dry up of quality, as kids will choose to sign up with the academies of teams, that will give them a chance to break through. Why come to Arsenal, when the best you can hope for is loan after loan and decisions made on you with only 3 minutes played, at the end of win?
These sort of actions by Arteta, is what has made me doubt his ability to lead us long term. Yes, kudos to where he got us last season but this season his stubborness with; shoehorning Havertz into the team; the brutal dropping of Ramsdale (a much better shot stopper than Raya); the lack of minutes for ESR, is not the best example of a great manager. Rather, it’s an example of an inexperienced manager.
Other than Pep, what other top tier managers would have replaced Ramsdale with Raya after nearly winning the league last season, had it not been for the injury to Saliba? It almost seems that Arteta is trying extra hard to prove to the world that he’s technically as good as Pep and just experimenting for the sake of it. What was all that about at the beginning of the season, dropping Gabriel and Partey at RB? Nonsense, that should have been tried out pre season. We should have hit the ground running early this season with the momentum from last season. Our solid first 11 from last season that were playing free flowing , attacking football and bought in the new recruits slowly. Instead, we’ve looked disjointed and wooden from day one.
That’s why I’m losing faith a bit in Arteta, maybe this is his limit I don’t know. The Kroenke’s will be looking at us closely now, wanting a return on their investment.
If we continue slipping and it looks like we won’t end up winning anything… maybe the Kroenke’s will send Arteta out on loan?
I heard Roma has a vacancy 😉
What’s happening with Arteta is disgraceful. He had to wait for other coaches and football funds to pour acclaims on Saliba, before he could call him home even as we we were suffering. Again, the one thing that will make him reconsider his position with regards to Patino, is the accolades and interest from other coaches. He has neither the eye, brains nor experience to make those kind of determinations because when he does, he blunders?
Arsenal Wenger saw a raw 16years old emiliano Martinez, recognized a world class potential and brought him to England. Arteta couldn’t see anything in the same martinez when he was finally ready to prove his potential. The best product to come out of arsenal academy is now the current best keeper in the world. Meanwhile we have replaced Ramsdale with a weaker goalkeeper in Raya.
👍👍👍 Smartgunner.
Enough of this nonsense, forget about this loan thing, patino is ready for arsenal as he already cracked it at Blackpool last season on loan. I thought zinchenko and patino were two natural replacements of xhaka. Tierney and tomiyasu should have been allowed to shut down this current left back weakness. Zinchenko in xhaka’s position improves this team 100%. But I guess the the cheque book manager had other ideas.
Arteta is a Clown! Now am seeing Reasons.
He almost ripped Martenelli’s career earlier on. Took him so hard to integrate Saliba as well. His undying love for Harvert who does absolutely nothing is slowly jeopardizing Smith-Rowe chances featuring. Steadily starting Raya to prove a deluded point why his benching Ramsdale is occuring.