Arsenal Opinion – My views on lazy players (like Ozil) and on players who work their socks off

An older Gooners views on lazy players and on those who work their socks off By Jon Fox

I grew up in North London in the fifties and sixties and, though     my brother and I never suffered from poverty and hunger, I saw as I grew older, how many people had to work endless hours simply to put the basics of life, in food, clothing and a roof over their heads, in front of their own families.  For most good honest people back then, holidays were taken in Britain and few people ate at restaurants, because there was not the spare money to do so.

Life was by and large, routine, ordered, generally decent in behaviour but sadly, the class system was rigid and prejudice against perceived “outsiders” of all  sorts was accepted as normal. The contrast with today’s North Londoners is chalk and cheese by comparison.  In my considered opinion, life now is immeasurably better today than back then, in MOST respects. Prejudice is far less, society is far more welcoming of immigrants and, in the larger cities at least, we in Britain live in a more vibrant, tolerant, diverse and culturally richer society.

Our football has changed enormously too. We football fans who had no choice but to live through the hooligan decades prior to this century have seen massive progress in almost every way, EXCEPT among how elite level footballers are both financially worshipped, even though often pilloried on social media and in SOME cases in the stadiums too. The Premier league level is far ahead of the teams of yesteryear and today’s best teams would wipe the floor with the top teams from my younger age self.

One important way, however, in which players differed back then was that lazy players were so rare as to be almost non-existent.  Ironically, “Stroller” George Graham, perhaps our laziest player of the late sixties and early seventies, was a demanding hard taskmaster as our manager. Back then we had workaholics everywhere. Geordie Armstrong was our single hardest worker in my football lifetime, and he was quite capable of playing on both wings “at once”, as older Gooners will testify.

Football was physically tougher, pitches were often sand pits, or frozen in deep winter and even half time lasted only ten, not fifteen minutes. Society both within and outside football is far softer today and that is reflected in the number of players – all teams have them – who have become mercenaries, in love with the obscenity of today’s high salaries and often refusing to give anywhere near enough back in effort for the financial rewards they receive. NB: I say “receive” and not earn.

I say not a single person in football, can actually “earn” hundreds of thousands of pounds each week, whether or not they are fit. Or even wish to be fit, as some are perfectly content not to turn out, if they would rather not.

It would hardly be a surprise to anyone, I suggest, if the name of OZIL was now mentioned. You will ​surely have seen his name coming.

This lunacy of routinely paying ridiculous salaries to almost all players, many of whom are not even fully established first teamers, is BY FAR, the single worst difference between now and   several decades ago. I suspect many of us would privately agree with me but would also say nothing can ever be done to change the status quo and that we must just go on holding our noses and put up with it.  Though that can NEVER be my view – as I always think some change can, and MUST, be made to reduce salaries – I venture to suggest it is the majority view.

But the real purpose of this piece is not to tackle obscene salaries (even though I have railed against them!!) but to expose the growing number of today’s mercenaries who are idlers and who are IMO conning a living off the financial backs of ordinary non wealthy football fans, who pay through the nose for admission to most top teams and to OUR team, more than almost any single other club. I regard this as a monstrosity and wish to expose, in particular, three of our ex- players as the guiltiest in my time watching Arsenal, which is over six full decades and counting.

Ozil is by far the guiltiest of all Arsenal players EVER, for refusing point blank to give back in real and wholehearted effort for the craziness of our club which stupidly – beyond belief stupidly too – awarded him all his contracts and esp his final one, after which he to all intents and purposed “retired” while still wearing our shirt. I have called him, a fraud, a cheat (wages-wise), a con man and many other words, and I stand resolutely by every single charge I ever made in calling this idler supreme out for extreme laziness.

When his career is finally over, I believe he will come to realise that he cheated his own career at Arsenal, but he cheated HIMSELF more than anyone else.  No fan doubts he at one time possessed supreme talent.  He proved that in his first two seasons, but thereafter he pretended to try by coasting towards opponents when closing them down, but never really meaning to get involved in any physical side of the game. Many will say that wasn’t his game but as MA is proving and all other top managers too, no team can win without REAL 100% effort from the whole team. His phantom backaches and sickies were entirely predictable and just the nature of that particular “beast”!

My other two legendary idlers were Walcott, more or less throughout all his years here and Auba in his last two seasons when he too “retired” while nominally playing left wing /striker.

In our club today we have  not one single lazy player. We have players who work their socks off and who earn my admiration because they do so. It gladdens my old heart to see such as Martinelli and many others giving their all. Jesus is the antithesis to OZIL, all work, never stops running and such determination to actually EARN all the money he receives. About HIS salary, I find myself NOT holding my nose and that is a blessing my friends.

I urge all those who agree with the thrust of this article to say so and to support all 100% tryers even when they may not be the most talented players, whilst condemning idlers everywhere – Pogba was another OZIL, now sensibly got rid of, sadly for us, by United – and by never again defending half-hearted coasters and convincing themselves such idlers were really trying, when self-evidently, they were not.

In short, my fellow Gooners do not be conned next time we get an idler in our club. I do not see it being allowed under MA in any case, as he at least got rid of both OZIL and AUBA, albeit on both rather late in the day. But better late than never I say!

COYG!!

Jon Fox

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65 Comments

  1. I’m writing this comment without reading the article, and I won’t read. The title is already very discouraging.

    1. Give the guy a break and a bit of respect, read his article.

      Have to say its a bit lengthy, but that is what us oldies are like, we are used of writing letters, not comments on social media

      1. Length of the article is not an issue. My issue is that Özil is gone, for Christ’s sake. Give him a break. He’s not the first footballer to value his wages above a club and will not be the last. Enough of people always calling him out negatively as though he even for once went against the club in any way. And for all his laziness which I very well agree with, he was among the very best of his generation with a footballing CV many will only dream of. He’s gone. And that’s it. Let him be

      1. Cos it’s not cool to keep calling out an ex-player negatively, especially one who never went against the club but was as professional as any fan would have expected. The title is really discouraging. Özil is long gone. Let’s let him be

        1. I disagree
          JA frequently refers to former players and this article did just that. I consider this article to be a comparison between those who fought for the badge and those who did not

      2. SueP,were you not saying the same thing about Auba just recently?if I remember correctly,it was an article about Auba scoring goals for Barca.your comment was along the lines of “why posting an article about Auba?he is no longer one of our players.

        1. @Siamois mon ami
          The thing that stands out in the comments is that many of them only talk about Ozil.
          The article is not about Ozil, it is about lazy players… (…LIKE OZIL)

        2. I would like to tell all those who concentrated on the amount of money that some players earn, that as I said in my article, SALARIES WERE JUST A SIDE ISSUE AND THE ARTICLE AND TITLE TALKED ABOUT LAZINESS VERSUS A WORK ETHIC.

          I am disappointed that so many chose to ignore the main topic of my piece, OR mentioned only Ozil, when he was simply my prime bad example of laziness and NOT the main topic. Sigh!

    2. You are “discouraged” because realistic fans call out lazy players. That says a great deal about you, my too lazy to read, friend!

      1. If you had anything worthwhile to do with your time, you won’t spend it dreaming of and writing negatively about an ex-player negatively who never went against the club in any manner whatsoever. His footballing CV is unmatched by 99% of footballers despite his laziness which you always allude to. Özil is long gone, in case you’ve forgotten. Let him be

        1. dgr8xt, I’d stop digging if I were you.

          You yourself agree that OZIL was lazy. Quote: ” And for all his laziness which I VERY WELL AGREE WITH”. Your own words!

          Then you say he ” never went against the club in any manner whatsoever”! So you do not see your own admitted laziness of Ozil as going against our club?!!

          I see ! HARDLY WORTH DISCUSSING FURTHER, as a confused mind such as yours does not make for a proper debate.

            1. Ozil was a nightmare, not a dream! AND I HAVE A PERFECT RIGHT TO WRITE ABOUT WHATEVER I CHOOSE.

              So do you by the way, but I DONT SEE ANY ARTICLES FROM YOU. Too tiring to write probably; I know how you love laziness!
              Hardly surprising either, given your confused mind, which does not see laziness as being against our club. It would be laughable, were it not so sad for you personally!

          1. I’m pretty sure that @dgr8xt means that Ozil being lazy or not is not the point,but the fact that you keep bringing him up.

      2. “I urge all those who agree with the thrust of this article to say so and to support all 100% tryers even when they may not be the most talented players”.

        @Jon so no more complaints about Xhaka and his spees/ability? So nothing but support from now on.

    3. dgr8xt, Soory to have to embarrass you but yoy embarrased youself when admitting vyou had no intention to read my article but then commented on something you admit you had not read.

      Doesn’t sound like the admission of an intelligent fan, does it!!

      Had you had the energy to be bothered to read it , you would have seen it was not just about OZIL , but about laziness versus a work ethic.
      But never mind that now, Go back to bed, as you must be worn out by ALL that tiring writing.

      1. Although I agree with large parts of the article, particularly the salary issue.

        Something must be done, but how would we go bout brining this change?

    4. Plus one dgr8xt
      Not sure if jonny boy wrote the headline ,but even if he didn’t it’s something that he constantly harps on about ,Ozil Auba and Wenger ,boring talk that got old 4 years ago ,like you ,I haven’t read the article as Jon’s writing style does not interest me .
      Let me guess he pat himself on the back 3-4 times over the course of his boring read .
      Slow news day on JA if his article got put on the top .
      Not for me ,rather read a proper fans views ,no offence jonny boy .

      1. Unfortunately someone has not done his homework either ,I could give you some stats to back that up(distance covered),but this was covered 3 years ago ,old news I’m afraid ,seems like someone cannot let go his .

  2. I agree with the article but do take slight issue with Walcott being included with Ozil and aubamayeng – my problem with him was that he was mentally lazy and never achieved his potential as a result. I’d put him in the same camp as bellerin, Ramsey, Song, denilson (prime example) and probably a few others who made their breakthroughs at arsenal as young players. They weren’t lazy on the field exactly, they just had poor guidance and I don’t think they realised that they needed to keep improving if they were ever to achieve anything significant – they were simply too comfortable and just kept doing what they thought was good enough because no one told them any different. However, they never downed tools to the extent that Ozil and aubamayeng did so blatantly on the back of massive contracts. It’s maybe a small distinction, but it’s probably worth making it.
    Anyway – good read Jon

    1. Davi Yes, I agree ! Walcott simply lacked grit, drive, determination to make a great succes of his career. I call that being lazy but perhaps lazy minded would be more accurate.

      But he was hardly a 100% trier a la MARTINELLI or JESUS was he!!
      He simply disappeared in games far too often for me to appreciate him in play.
      But I DO AGREE he was far from like Ozil, who was really taking our club and we fans for fools. I was never fooled though and said so. Often !

      You see DAVI, i JUST CANNOT RESPECT FANS WHO REFUSE TO SEE WHAT IS RIGHT UNDER THEIR NOSE.

      1. Yes, I completely agree – Walcott never had the right mentality for success. He was different to Ozil and auba, but it still wasn’t right. I just felt that he and a few others were completely mishandled from a younger age, but they always lacked the natural fire in their bellies you could see in players like fabregas and van persie. I’ve always had a tough time criticising those players for leaving when they did because it seemed like wenger had a blind spot for those younger players (although I’d have preferred RVP to have moved somewhere else!)
        I also share your view that Jesus and martinelli in particular have entirely different mentalities, along with others in the current squad. Arteta’s words when he took over as manager suggested he was keen to address player mentality in the squad and he truly has.

        1. Davi, Again I agree with your point. To some of us it was always completely obvious that MA was never going to be a manager who indulged laissez faire,, trouble makers or idler type payers.
          Even in that first year or so, when MA was clearly learning his trade as manager of a huge club and made many misjudgements, what always kept me in his camp was his refusal to tolerate laziness, trouble makers and coasters. And he has come throuigh magnificently.

          I confess I HAD DOUBTS AT ONE TIME, BUT HIS SHEER DETERMINATION TO NOT TOLERATE any player who would not giveback IN FULL for the obscene salaries ALL players receive, always kept me on his side. And I HAVE BEEN PROVEN RIGHT TOO, imo.

  3. It encourages me that there are still determined players who – whilst no doubt caring about a top salary- also care about giving their all.
    Ozil and Auba are tricky subjects to dwell on. Both given far too much during negotiations between club and agents. Both gone thankfully
    I thought Davi made interesting points too about Walcott and the others as they he never really crossed my mind

  4. Anyone who had actually played football and know a thing or two about the game called a player Lazy. Let alone a player with the kind of CV Ozil has as a player.

    1. It’s a shame then that all the genuine delight at having such a top player sign for Arsenal should end the way it did.

  5. In my opinion, Mesut Ozil, Cristiano Ronaldo and some highly decorated players have different football concept than the hardworking ones. Messi used to be one of Barcelona’s most intense high pressers when he was much younger, then he reduced his effort gradually as he gets older

    They’re world class at scoring and/ or assisting, but unwilling to waste their stamina on high press. Maybe because they preferred to use their energy to chase the goal/ assist statistics when they were younger and to save their energy when they get older

    I think these kind of superstars are perfect for teams with stable systems like Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern Muenchen, but their reluctances to press high up the pitch usually endanger unstable teams’ defenses. Arsenal are still in a transitional period, so we need more passionate players and the ones with double-lung stamina like Xhaka/ Martinelli

    1. GAI, I have the same view as yours too. I think some of them concentrate more on improving their strength than weakness. Who knows they might not have been successful had they concentrated on something they are not good at. Plus some might be lazy, but their demeanor doesn’t help especially the likes of Ozil and Kaka .

  6. Today team’s can not afford luxury players anymore and some of the criticism, Ozil has brought on his self.
    Ozil is no doubt a popular lad as my son still wears his shirt, but Wenger spoil Ozil and somewhere along Ozil may have lost interest.

    Strongly agree something must and will have to done to address this salary issue in football, it is affecting the sport.
    How Barcelona continues to operate is certainly not healthy.

    Am looking forward to a day when an appointment like Arsene Wenger given a top job in the sport, though it may very well take an uprising of fans similar to the one against the super league to address this salary issue for once.

    1. I used to think that Barcelona is a time bomb waiting to explode sometime on the future. But come to think of it, if the naming rights to the Camp Nou can be sold against fans’ wishes and threats of boycott, who’s to say that the club itself cannot be sold to an Arab billionaire later when they become worse? And it’s surprising to see an Arsenal fan wish to have a manager like Wenger back in the sport amid all the criticism he’s been receiving

  7. No mention of Arshavin! My wife refused to be in the house when I watched Arsenal when he was with us, as the volume level and language was inappropriate when he would nonchalantly stroll around shrugging his shoulders after giving away the ball.

  8. Agree with the gist of the article- as Sean Dyche says “minimum expectation is maximum effort” — but have a few caveats.

    Some “triers” can appear like headless chickens sometimes – Martinelli before this year was a good example. Sometimes less is more and I commend the coaching staff for getting him to play within himself while not losing his aggressive edge.

    Some “idlers” are more gliders. They move about with such ease, and find the right pockets of space before anyone else does, that they look lazy to many of us. In their prime – Berbatov and our early Ozil were like that.

    And lastly, I wouldn’t put Walcott the lazy category. I don’t think he ever reached his potential but I don’t think it was for lack of trying.

  9. The article seems to conflate two issues, I’ll just focus on one, the money aspect and leave the issue of players being deserving or undeserving (since in reality none of them are particuarly deserving of millions of pounds in my view).

    The salary issue is about the money in the game. In simple terms, without figures:

    – The PL receives billions from TV companies via auctioning football rights
    – Clubs receive a large proportion of that from the PL
    – Players demand their share of the money the clubs are getting, often far too much
    – The TV companies have to recoup that money plus what their operating costs (filming games, pundit costs etc)

    So how do the TV companies manage that? They pass their costs on to the people who watch football, the supporters.

    Basically, following the money flow:

    Fans –> TV Cos –> PL –> Clubs –> Players

    The whole deck of cards only comes down when fans vote with their wallets.

    The reason the ESL failed to get off the ground is because the business people who abouind in football these days realised that if fans of *all* clubs boycott the ESL, then the deck of cards never gets built – they’ll be making losses from Day One.

    The other factor is that some clubs have rich owners, who are injecting money into the PL (and a couple of other clubs such as PSG). This inflates salaries too, but it’s artificial since much of it is in the form of loans, not gifts (the new rules replacing FFP are – unbelievably – trying to actually *encourge* gifts over loans, which will leave the Newcastles of this world in a very strong position – an artificially strong position).

    All of this only changes when people stop paying exorbitant fees to watch football on TV. So the real question is: how does that happen?

    With a cost of living squeeze on the way, fewer people will pay to watch football in the rapid way a mass boycott of the ESL would have done. It may strangle the business model slowly over time though.

    Salary caps are not necessarily an answer since that means clubs just get to keep more of the money, which means business types make more money out of supporters. I’d hate to see that happen.

    As football fans, we need to find a way to reduce the costs at the input end (i.e. OUR costs) and the knock-on effect along the chain will mean there’s less money for players (and business types).

    There’d still be one issue left – the people who buy up clubs and simply give them money such as Abramovic and oil-rich countries, but that’s where the authorities need to do better at making the rules.

    1. Completely agree with this. It’s all market driven.
      The other aspect I find distasteful is the blatant corruption (imo) in the way the European competitions are organised to ensure the vast majority of that money remains with the top 4 or 5 leagues, with those leagues able to enter 3 or 4 teams into the champions league while pushing out many actual champions from the competition. If it was a true competition of the champions from the nations of Europe, you would see a leveling out over time, with clubs from more obscure footballing nations becoming more attractive to talented players looking to make names for themselves. Its similar at international level, with the way the qualifying is organised with group seedings, in Europe at least.

    2. I hardly agree with Many of your comments but this is one of the best view I have seen concerning this topic.
      What the writer didn’t realize is that this topic is not limited to footballers. All entertainment industry are earning huge salary that it is difficult to comprehend.
      Perhaps you can question why they earn so much but majority of us would want to have the same privilege.
      I don’t think anyone of us here would be mad if they are getting high wages why doing minimal work.

      1. I rarely agree with your comments and the writer certainly does realise that the problem is not limited to football, this discussion, however, was limited to football.

        As you say, entertainment types also earn over-inflated amounts and we usually see that passed on to us via subscription fees. Market forces at work again, however they are starting to shoot themselves in the foot since people simply will not pay a subscription to a vast number of services. When it was just Netflix and maybe Amazon (and let’s not forget the enforced subscription to the BBC) people just about lived with it, but now you can add in Disney, all the sub-channels on Amazon, Spotify etc etc etc… people are stopping their subs.

        So now they’re moving to an advertising-based model instead, they see that in future fleecing companies is easier than fleecing the man in the street.

        Of course, companies pass their advertising costs on to us via the price of their products, but at least we have a choice who we buy from. I actually note the adverts with a view to NOT buying from some companies – if more people did that the market would have to adjust (with less money coming in, the amounts these people earn would drop).

        Sadly, I don’t think it will happen – there are too many dumb people around who idolise music and film actors, who click on “influencer” stuff, fall for advertising and scams… I don’t expect them to get any smarter any time soon, so the problem will continue in some form..

      2. KAAY this writer CERTAINLY DOES realize that many entertainment folk, and top business people too, earn ludicrous and undeserved wages.

        But my article was not about them, but instead, about laziness versus a work ethic and not mainly at all about salaries. I WILL however be writing a salary article very soon, so please comment on that,i f you wish.

        However being a much older person than you , I HAVE LONG KNOWN THAT IN THIS WORLD THERE ARE A SIZABLE NUMBER OF FOLK WHO WOULD NOT ACCEPT LUDICROUS SALARIES AND WHO CARE MORE ABOUT FAIRNESS FOR ALL THAN THEY DO ABOUT OBSCENELY UNEARNED PERSONAL GREED.

        I do not claim they are a majority but they are not as rare or non existent as you seem to think, in your last line.

        1. Let assume you were right, but those players you made as an examples were not let go due to laziness.
          Laziness can’t be hide for too long, if they were that lazy right from time, the board would have let them go without having to give them improved salary knowing they are lazy.
          This laziness point is definitely your point and were not reported by the club anywhere.
          Ozil was going against the board and not respecting the manager as reported that’s not laziness.
          Auba was let go for disciplinary issues which he breached countless of time as reported. That’s in no way transformed to laziness.
          Many keep coming out with different story about some set of ex players which mostly turn out to be incorrect. This doesn’t make them saint , but we don’t have to share false information just because they are ex players.
          However if you have any links were the club reported both players of being lazy or by their manager, would like to read it.

          1. Kaay, there isn’t any links and your point about renewing contracts of so called “lazy” players is such a valid point.

          2. Kaay, you are muddling two separate issues. I never said that the club , OFFICIALLY, (despite what some or even many in the boardroom and dressing room might have privately believed) sacked those players for laziness. Clubs are bound by the contracts they award to players and whethr or not the clubs subsequently feels the awarded contrastproved to be a mistake , they are still legally bound by them. Ozil was a prime example of this. which is why I used him as such.
            My article was my own opinion. as they always are. I do not claim to speak for others, BUT I do often claim that many will privately agree with the points I MAKE.

            I HOPE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT DISTINCTION , that CERTAIN Gooners seem to miss ; quite often in fact across my years on JA, when I see the same old regular names wilfully misconstrue what I write, often for reasons of not sufficiently understanding PRECISELY written English.

            I do, perhaps ,assume a certain level of proper understanding of precisely written English (at least in those whose first language it is).

            As an educated man who was fortunate to receive a private English education, I realise I am not typical, on this fan site.

            But that is not my fault, nor can I BE EXPECTED TO WRITE SLOPPILY, simply to be better understood by CERTAIN lesser English educated fans.

            1. I do commend you for your clarification. But don’t you think you going as far as calling them lazy is a little defamation of characters when it wasn’t reported by the club they represent of such character.
              I get they didn’t work hard enough to earn such a high salary but we all know the board know better than any of us.
              They didn’t find them lazy to have rewarded them highly enough. This doesn’t mean the board are always right with their decision but they did what they have to do regardless of our opinion.
              I am not here to defend ozil or Auba, I support Arsenal not them, but that doesn’t mean I have to call them names at each opportunity.
              I am glad both are gone and they don’t represent us anymore. we should focus on the future and not the past.

              1. KAAY I appreciate you taking the trouble to debate with me I really do!
                As a man who for most of my long life has stood passionately FOR the right of free, (though not filthy, nor hateful) speech, I must firmly take issue with your view that calling a player lazy is “defamationof character”(your phrase, not mine).

                I call it free spech and a perfectly good example of free speech too.

                I reject wokeism and all who defend it . It seems to me that you MAY well be trying to defend woke beliefs. I reject them as being illiberal, foolish and a dangerous opponent for the vital freedom(or liberalism) which defends the unalienable right to free speech .
                Polar positions and life philosophy then, you and I!

                I also think we learn to protect the future by learning from the mistakes of the past, so in that sense the past has importance to us all.

  10. Berbatov is lazy too…great skill doesn’t need great effort…that’s the way they are.they are so good because that’s their attitude ..if ozil was chasing defenders for the ball pressing ,he would most probably not able to showcase his real strengths…that vision of ozil no one has…the magical moments he provided will be immortal..but people only focus on how lazy he is…even if a pig tried its “hardest” it wouldn’t fly…only an eagle can
    , so elegantly and effortlessly

  11. Thank you Jon.
    Interesting angle that players don’t deserve their high salaries, if they are lazy.
    Like others above, I think, we will have to live with the fact, it is market driven, whether we like it or not.
    I also think football has changed a lot in the past 12-15 years. Now, almost every team have all their players involved in defending and pressing, and this is why players like Özil look like they will be extinct in the future.
    I will tell you something for a fact, though. Despite matches in the “old days” were played on frozen and on soggy pitches etc., there is no doubt today’s best players are in a much, much better condition physically. They run more and at much higher speeds, and at such the demands in training and in lifestyle are much higher.
    Not that it defends the obscene amounts of money in itself.

  12. Jon, loved your description of the North London of the 50s. I am surprised that it was a neighborhood of limited means. Specially so because I belong to a former colony looted and exploited by Britain for more than a century. Imagine, how terrible 50s and 60s were for us. Probably, Britain had lost a lot of wealth due to the WWII

    1. And lost manpower and had been bombed to pieces, with no Marshall Plan to rebuild it and Lend Lease repaymentls to be paid for years! So much for carrying the fight against fascism for almost 6 years.

  13. jon, you are of course entitled to your opinion that modern teams “would wipe the floor” with the best teams of the past; however it is difficult if not impossible to compare eras in sport.
    For example how would modern players go working a full week at a job, as well as fitting in training and playing? How would they survive the playing field conditions, changeroom facilities, nutrition and heavy leather balls used in the past, let alone the more rugged tackling which would see a player sent off today?

    1. Ozzie If you read careful what I PRECISELY said AND what I did NOT say, you will see I said “the teams of the past! No team of the past COULD possibly be coached as todays teams were, or be as fit , for the simple reason that they were “in the past”!

      Had supremely talented past players been able to play in the present which is impossible without atime machine, then of course it may well been different.

      But I WAS DISCUSSING WHAT IS AND WAS ,AND NOT WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE IN A FANTASY WORLD.
      I find it disappointing to have my PRECISE and carefully chosen words so easily misunderstood, esp by someone of your high intellect.

      Perhaps some people are not as pedantic with words as I ALWAYS AM!

      1. jon, I do take your point that you were referring to teams, where I was referring to the players making up those teams being trained and remunerated under the same conditions as the modern game. In addition I believe that a Herbert Chapman would still be an innovative and great manager today.

  14. Here we are with epistle of how much players should earn and shouldn’t earn.
    In fairness, I agree they earned way too much , but you don’t expect them to turn the salary down. Just like many of us wouldn’t do so if we were to be in their shoes.
    I even applaud some of them that didn’t decided to run down their contract before moving on, because some of us here would have done exactly that.
    They didn’t commit any crime by earning high wages.
    If anyone is so bothered about how much athletes or entertainers earned, let them protest or boycott them, ranting on a just fan page wouldn’t bring the changes we desire.
    Report to the appropriate bodies about your dissatisfaction. They are the one who agreed to give that salary out in the first place.
    A fan page who doesn’t know how much a player earned won’t decrease any players wages.
    In addition, the board saw that they are worthy of that amount that is why they gave them such high salary in the first place. They didn’t rip anyone off their money like most people claimed. They didn’t ask anyone of you for money or their wages. Direct your frustrations to the board who offered them that salaries.
    This is s like complaining about iphone riping you of your money for producing same set of product. That’s their price, and they are not forcing anyone to buy.

  15. “I urge all those who agree with the thrust of this article to say so and to support all 100% tryers even when they may not be the most talented players”really Jon?do you think that it is what you’ve been doing in regards to Elneny?let me answer for you,not even close Jon!not only that but you even went as far as bashing him for being “only” a trier only few days ago,care to explain yourself Jon??

    1. Siamois EASY answer : TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SUBJECTS! I was discussing laziness versus a work ethic in this article.
      In other posts, when I have been discussing players who are either good enough or who are not, then of course I list those, such as Elneny, who are not good enough, IMO. I do however have no complaint about his work rate, which is excellent.

      YOU ARE CONFUSING TWO ENTIRELY SEPARATE SUBJECTS AND MISSING THE POINT OF MY ARTICLE.
      I REALISE ENGLISH IS NOT YOUR FIRST LANGUAGE, THOUGH IT IS MINE, SO PERHAPS WE UNDERSTAND MATTERS DIFFERENTLY.

      I AM PEDANTIC WITH THE WRITTEN WORD AND PREFER TO KEEP TO THE SUBJECT about which I speak and not muddy the water with red herrings, so to speak!

  16. Ozil had to be the biggest disappointment of all. To have that much God given talent and waste it with no desire and stomach for the fight is truly a shame. I always looked at him as a luxury player in teams of internationals who can afford his play on his terms. Mourinho actually called him the best #10 in the world but that was at Real where he had a team full of internationals. Mourinho once described him as when he touches the ball, the ball smiles, what a waste of talent

  17. Laziness is not a natural phenomena. It is a man-made phenomena. Stupid ideologies, terrible governance, welfare state and unfair immigration contributed to this. More important and essential industries suffering from this, not just football. With over growing population, there will be more pain and suffering. From there, clearer heads will start to prevail as all natural order will do. Hence, Arteta and his current policy.

  18. Worst of all, is the the players agents who collect an obscene amount of money just for being middle men, they’re one of the main reasons why the transfer market is as bloated as it is now it’s a shame.

  19. The article clearly speaks of the past and the present and in it are many characters that include Pogba. But some have decided to dwell on the past and Ozil only. Let us be more balanced. What he says about curent Arsenal players and MA not being lazy and fighting for the badge of our team is Spot on.

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