Arsenal were beaten 1–0 by PSG in the Champions League last night, and most of the players’ performances were disappointing.
Here are our players’ ratings.
David Raya – 6.5
The result could have been worse if he had not been in good form in goal.
Jurrien Timber – 5.0
He struggled against Khvicha Kvaratskhelia and Desire Doue, who alternated to cause him problems.
William Saliba – 6.0
Like most Arsenal defenders, PSG kept him busy, and he put some feet wrong on the night, but one brilliant block stood out.
Jakub Kiwior – 5.5
He was superb against Real Madrid but looked shaky against a trickier set of attackers.
Myles Lewis-Skelly – 6.5
The youngster stood out among Arsenal’s defence, and he nearly provided an assist.
Mikel Merino – 6.5
He was back in midfield and made some fine passes, but he lost battles to his PSG counterparts. He had a goal ruled out for offside.
Declan Rice – 5.5
Rice missed Thomas Partey’s protection greatly, and he could not perform the role that the Ghanaian does.
Martin Odegaard – 4.5
Without Partey to protect him, he had to take on too much defensive work and could hardly unlock the PSG padlock.
Gabriel Martinelli – 4.5
He missed Arsenal’s best chance of the night and failed to step up on a big night.
Leandro Trossard – 4.0
Just like Martinelli, he was expected to step up on a big occasion and fluffed his lines.
Bukayo Saka – 5.0
Nuno Mendes did a brilliant job on the attacker, and this was simply not his night.
Substitutes
Ben White – N/A
Ethan Nwaneri – N/A
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If Trossard was 4.0 then Ødegaard should be about 1.3
Come on Thrill,
1.3 for Odegaard, that’s way to much.😂🤣👍😉
🤭😉
Being generous today.
That clown called Partey got 0.1 rating even though he didn’t. He is the one who destabilized the team shape with his moment of avoidable madness at Madrid. Because of his absence the coach had to do a lot of shuffling that messed up the shape of the team and created big hole in the midfield.
Started to notice a pattern where we are picking on one player
Don’t want to go back to those days
Worse player was Timber , got destroyed
But he falls Into the category of never being allowed to say he had a bad game
Dan,
While I agree with you that Timber didn’t have one of his better games.
Unlike a certain Odegaard who continually fails to show up, Timber shows up a lot more I hope you’ll agree.
I’m not picking on Odegaard for the sake of it, he’s just failing constantly and therefore I’m going to call him out. As club captain I think he’s doing a terrible job.
What’s with all this arm waving crap anyway.
On this one I agree with you. Timber was worse. Even after the goal, he was staying very far from his opponent.
This Partey it’s high time we got rid of him.
Never does nothing right ……..
@Sims Partey didn’t play the game; why is he taking blame? The coach had a whole week to adjust. You lot either see Partey is one of the most important players on this team and respect him or get used to this kind of performance.
Also have some shame.
Blame the who has failed to get a suitable deputy for Partey for more than 3 seasons.
I disagree with that Rice rating. Sure he could have done better with their goal but he was without a doubt our brightest spark on the night. He created two of our best chances that could have easily been goals. Rice,Myles and Raya were our better players.
No one played anywhere close to well last night.
But, I won’t blame the players completely. They were just better than us from the first minute. Completely ran us into the ground.
Unless Arteta comes up with a tactical masterclass, I am not very optimistic about the away leg.
@Kia
Exactly. They had our number from whistle to whistle and from box to box. Had they been more clinical with their finishing, we would have been slaughtered. What irked me, was our inability to respond in any way at all.
NY_Gunner I thought they had our number for the first 20 minutes or so. Beyond that it was relatively even. I could even argue that we had more clear cut chances than them. We were through on goal twice, through Trossard and Martinelli. Could have scored if not for incredible Donnarumma saves. The ‘chances’ they had towards the end of the game wouldn’t have counted had they gone in because Ramos was offside.
Disagree they controlled game
Took atmosphere out of crowd and we resorted to long ball / direct
They probably had better chances
Overall stats suggest we had slightly better chances than PSG.
The game itself was fairly balanced after the first 20 minutes or so but the margins favoured PSG in the end.
@David
Because they were relentless throughout the game.
They were not relentless throughout the game. It may have felt that way because of the way they started. We grew into the game but couldn’t land anything telling.
@David
We might have grew into the game and may have missed a couple of chances. But, their play was stifling ours. Small fouls here and there, double man marking, low block and intense pressing made us look like amateurs. Worst of all, it was on our home turf. Face it, we were “outplayed” on the night.
They were cleverer than use and better prepared. We were lucky not to concede two goals near the end. Poor and sloppy but got away with it.
What is the rating of the manager? Did he mess it up like some feared or we were just bettered for the night?
I think they just played us at our own game with the high press in defense, and did it much more effectively! Our guys had absolutely no time on the ball.
HH nobody cares what you have to say. We all thought you had left after you made a fool of yourself last time.
No need for that mate
What last time? You have to remind me I won’t just take your word because the Arteta diehards have a tendency to lie or make up things to move forward their agenda.
And who cares what you have to say either? Some of us don’t survive on online strangers approval who might be real people or bots.
So take your caring and shove it where you see fit.
Where have you been the last month or two? Hiding away hoping everyone forgot how much of a fool you are
The irony not lost on you lol ?
😂😂😂😂
Now you are making a fool of yourself. What is it with you Arteta *** kissers and lying?
Find something better or productive to do with your time kid.
PSG are thriving after Mbappe left them and he has ruined Real Madrid as was expected.
Ruined is an exaggeration. He has not clicked yet. Mbappe is actually suited to Arsenal. With him, we take the league and CL and the slow sideway passes we struggle with will be a thing of the past
You need to give rate to the manager Arteta also. If all the team members underpergorm in such a didmal manner it was the manager who principally failed. Arteta was outwitted by his counterpart Enrique. For Trossard no problem we find solution next week as he must be subbed and Merino takes his place due to Partey return. The silver lining of this game is it is only 1-0 & can be reverseable. Overall your rates agreeable but made only the players culpable and gave immunity to the manager.
I agree that the manager should always get a rating, because sometimes player performances are affected if they’re not in their natural position, and obviously with the tactics, which all stem from the manager.
That said, nothing Arteta could do with team selection as we’re down to the bare bones, and he had almost zero attacking options from the bench. Without Partey, he also had to switch things up tactically. PSG at full strength, and a strong bench as well.
My only real gripe is that he should have swapped Odegaard for Nwaneri earlier. Not sure what you can expect from only 5 minutes on the pitch?
Terrible ratings. I understand that several players didn’t reach the levels that they can but no-one deserved less than a 5. Declan deserved better than 5.5 especially for his second half performance.
I seem to have watched another match for Rice was the best player on the pitch in the second half when he made numerous surging runs from his DM role.PSG created 3/4 clear cut chances from the right due to Kwior and MSL being out of position yet Trossard is slagged off when he worked his socks off and was more creative than our Captain who was annonymous.Bias should not be a feature of player ratings, but sadky, it invariably is.
True Grandad. I don’t get these so called ratings.
Odegaard has been off for a while, so nothing new about that (saw it somewhere that he’s carrying an injury).
My own concern is that he should’ve been subbed off since the 65-70th minute of the game.
With Nwaneri earlier In the game, he would’ve been a hand full for the PSG defense and created some openings upfront.
Without Partey to protect him, he had to take on to much defensive work and could hardly unlock the PSG padlock the piece says on Odegaard.
Well, what’s the excuse for a lot of the other Odegaard non performances when Partey has been there to protect him. 🙄🤦♂️🤷♂️
Just joining the cue to express my surprise at Rice’s low rating. No fee kick magic but without out Rice we would be chasing a bigger deficit. Also after watching Dumfries playing for Inter, can only say ” real fullbacks rule, out with the inverteds”.
UEFA ditched the away goal rule because the differences between home and away advantages have become too minimal. We’ve seen recently PSG beaten by Liverpool at home and PSG doing likewise at Anfield. We hope to see the best of Arsenal and Arteta this Wednesday. Boom or bust for us all. Tuesday’s game highlights how true heroines the women are reaching the final the coach is rookie only months old. She beat the more experienced Lyon coach. Anything can happen at PSG; let’s not be faint hearted.
I’ve been one of Arteta’s biggest critics but I have to give him credit where due. We lost last night but he has really tried to keep us 2nd in EPL and bring us to the CL’s Semi final especially when you consider the mountain of injuries we’ve had(though self inflicted by deciding not you buy anyone in January). But that aside, this loss was probably necessary so fans who are being delusional can realize a few things:
1) The spine of this team is Partey. Like it or not no one does what he does on the pitch. He has the ability to evade a 2 man press and then take out two players with a single pass. Meaning 4 out of 10 outfield players have been taken away from that phase of play leaving just 6 outfield players to face our overload. Besides that his positioning and how he attracks players gives room for MLS to run into pockets, helps Rice pushes further up and suffocate with his press and also helps cover up Odegaard’s mess. He also shields the defense and blocks passing lanes that could unlock our defense. Partey is incredibly technical, a truly world class player. Whoever thinks Rice is better than him in that position is dreaming and whoever thinks we shouldn’t offer him a new contract is delusional.
2) Gabriel for 2 seasons now has been our best defender, better than Saliba. Besides being better than Saliba which many refuse to acknowledge he’s been the leader of that back line. Many times you see him giving instructions to all, telling MLS where to enter and when to position to receive a pass. Many times he uses his hands and fingers to signal MLS to drive infield. He also signals Saliba when to stay back or push up. He has even barked orders to Timber many times. Raya was so unusually high up the pitch and Krava almost chipped him again, which is becoming a regular thing for opposing attackers now. If you observed most of the times Raya came further infield he picked up the left center back space and Kiwior pushed further up. He did it excessively with nothing to show for it and Gabriel wouldn’t have allowed Raya being that incredibly high. Many times we’ve seen Gabriel signal Raya not to worry and stay in goal that he will handle it. People watch football and look at all the flashy things but don’t know that these tiny unspoken details are the most important aspects of a match. Kiwior has done extremely beyond my expectations and this is no Kiwior slander but we do miss Gabriel and it’s no coincidence Saliba has been a bit shaky since. Gabriel’s injury was a huge loss.
Overall we are lucky to be just a goal down and PSG are also Dona their keeer was in excellent form and also lucky we have clown as attackers who can’t finish to save their lives. I firmly believe we have more than enough to thoroughly beat PSG and it won’t even be a close tie, that’s how much I believe in this team. Upwards and onwards.
Dangerous though mate
By saying it’s okay 2nd and semi Final is not too bad is how you fail long term
Suddenly being okay to be 15 points behind becomes okay to be 20 behind
Then it’s okay to be 2nd becomes its okay to be 4th
Then suddenly the moment has passed you buy
Last night let’s be honest we looked like a club not ready to get over the line
For those who defend the Koronke Family ask yourself this ……
Think how much those tickets cost and how desperate we are all to win the CL
How can it be right that our manager doesn’t have an attacking option on the bench who he trusts
Anyone who defends that doesn’t have Arsenal best interest at heart
“How can it be right that our manager doesn’t have an attacking option on the bench who he trusts”
100%, but that’s not *only* the kroenke’s fault. Arteta’s been spending loads of money for years, but clearly hasn’t prioritised those attacking options. Yes, we could and should have got someone in January, but this has been a long time coming due to poor planning over a number of years.
The issue is we think our players are better then they are
Like Timber getting a 5 ?
Do you remember when it was said Nwaneri was better then Lemal ?
Something tells me if Lemal is on our bench he comes on sooner ?
Doesn’t matter what fans think of our players, that isn’t the issue we’re talking about – if arteta wanted more/better attacking options, he’s had ample time and money to get them. Could have gotten someone in the summer instead of calafiori, for example. We saved money getting sterling on loan and prioritised other areas. That’s the way it’s been since he joined.
But mate I maintain he asked his owners for help
Yes, but too late. They’ve helped him continuously for 5 years, allowed him to pay to release expensive players and sanctioned large transfers, including over the summer. If they had helped him in January, it would be covering for past mistakes – which is fine, and part of their role, I just don’t know what are the parameters we work within. How much money can we spend year on year
Dan,
While I agree with you that Arteta asked for help.
I to have to agree with Davi, why when the club needed a striker, which we have for three seasons now, did Arteta instead prioritize the signings of Calafiori and Merino, defensive players. And don’t forget the Merino signing dragged on.
Now Arteta is totally to blame for that, because the owners have given him more that enough financial backing to have addressed what was blatantly obvious to us fans.
Of course it matters because it means they put less pressure on the club to do anything
Hence why we have some saying
2nd and Semi Final of CL ….not too bad
It doesn’t matter with respect to the thing we were talking about. Arteta is the one in charge. If he’s so influenced by fan sentiment, that’s a bigger problem than the owners. Was it fab sentiment that led to signings like calafiori in the summer when we needed a forward?
This is classic hindsight bias. How many people expected that we would have MLS as an effective LB option? Many people here have been critical of our LB options in previous seasons yet people are now suggesting that we should not have prioritised an upgrade.
How much do you think it would have cost to get an upgrade on our attacking options during the last summer transfer window?
Once again there is a lack of consideration of context when being critical.
Dan I think you misunderstood me. You’ve seen a number of my comments here and you will know I’m one of Arteta’s biggest critics. I only gave him credit for being second and reaching the UCL’s semi finals. But that doesn’t mean I’m contented with it or it’s my acceptable standard. In 10 years from now, no one will care if we finished second and reached the semi finals. History only favours the winners.
I only gave Arteta credit on where we currently are because I believe he rightly deserves it. Two truths can coexist I can berate him and still give him credit where due. But I’ve been very vocal here that I don’t think Arteta’s the man to take us over the line. I personally feel he is the type of coach to come rebuild and stabilize the team while another finishes the work, Something like A Xavi to an Hansi Flick. The fans spend so much and are emotionally connected to the club. We fans deserve way more than we’re getting. I’m tired of trusting a never ending process. I will never accept being second and I think it’s high time the club gives back to we patient fans by winning trophies. We deserve to get back to glory days.
Yeah it’s sad isn’t it
We didn’t look like a club ready to take that next step and truthfully probably based on the season don’t deserve to be Champions if Europe
@Chapo
I disagree with your assessment of a CL semi appearance, based on our own fanbase’s history.
I get your point, that we don’t often remember losers persay, but we do when it comes to Arsenal in the CL. Just think of how often fans talk about about that amazing win against Barca, Inter trashing away from home, Real Madrid wins, etc. All that were ultimately meaningless in the greater scheme of things, in regards to winning a trophy.
The reason these games live long in the memory for Arsenal fans, is because we’re a tiny club with almost no pedigree in Europe. These wins feel like shocking giant killings we’d sometimes see in the FA Cup.
So even if we fall to PSG next week, for many years to come we’ll still be waxing lyrical about only our third ever time in the CL semi-final, and those dominant wins over Real. Especially considering the injuries, and no striker from the last 16 onwards. We’ve massively overperformed in the CL this season, and that’s something to be proud of.
That’s the point Lucy we are not a tiny club
If we don’t win the CL trust me watch the mood going into this summer
No one will be waxing lyrical
You can’t now use the no striker / injury excuse when you defended the club not buying anyone in January
You missed my point.
Historically, we’re a huge club domestically. Not so much anymore after two decades in the wilderness, but looking further back, we are a big club.
That is not the case in Europe. We are a very small club in regards to European pedigree. What I mean is, how competitive you are, and how many times you win. It would delusional to mention Arsenal in the same sentence as a club like Seville, let alone comparing ourselves to Bayern; Real; Liverpool; Milan, etc.
So even if we had a fully fit team, getting to the semi-final of the CL is a huge deal for a club like ours, let alone the bare-bones that Arteta is having to work with.
And just to prove how tough this competition is, what did Wenger do in his first decade at Arsenal in the CL? Only one semi-final, and one final, and that was it! And that Arsenal team were unbelievably good, and lightyears ahead of what we have now!
Now I know you won’t answer this question, as Arteta critics never do because it catches them out, but I’ll try anyway.
What were your CL expectations coming into this season? And did you change your expectations in regards to all the injuries?
For me, to EXPECT a semi-final appearance, even with a fully fit squad, would be crazy! That’s for the likes of Real, Bayern, possibly City.
QF would be the target, and anything more would be a huge bonus.
I’m not an Arteta critic just don’t think he’s as great as some make out but the owners are to blame
Hence why we will never win Prem under them
No I didn’t think he would win title or CL (although in a cup competition more likely ) so by that logic that makes it okay ?
Although In the summer if you had said to me Man City would have this drop off I wouldn’t have thought we still be 15 points behind Champions
Did you ?
Well I’m an Arteta critic 😂 and I think he can’t get us over the line. But regardless of whatever I think I do want him to prove me wrong. My heart is not set in stone so if he can win the Champions League then he will win me over. If not then I’m personally giving him till the end of next season before I’m fully Arteta out. But for now irrespective of how I personally feel about him I’ll support him and the team as much as I can.
If you told me we’d still be in 2nd place after 34 games, given 5 early red cards (3 in the first half of games) with all of them being decisive, 6 games in total where we’ve finished with 10 men, and a colossal amount of injuries which also resulted in no striker for the final 4 months of the season, I would have snapped your hand off!
Not to mention that despite the points gap to Liverpool, we’d only have one more defeat than them and a better defensive record. Throw in a 2 semi-finals and a total destruction of the current European champions and the greatest club of all time, I’d say Arteta is over performing given how handicapped he’s been.
Then that’s sad
Your opinion of course but it’s sad to hear how far we have fallen
I don’t blame you really I dont but the Koronke Family
I remember leaving Highbury
If someone said to me in 2025 we still wouldn’t have won a title and a fan would bite her hand off for being 15 points behind champions ……that would break my heart
So you honestly think we should be ahead of Liverpool given all the reds and injuries? A CL semi final appearance, possibly more, is unacceptable? What are you smoking?
Do you think Liverpool would be where they are now with the same problems we had. Over 50 goal contributions Salah missing for 4 months wouldn’t have affected them?
What’s more sad is that you clearly do not rate ANY of our players! As you keep pointing out, injuries shouldn’t matter, therefor missing the likes of Saka is irrelevant to you. Meaning you do not rate his influence. Clearly whoever takes his place should be at the same level or better!
Cannot believe you do not think Saka is important. Delusion of the highest order possible!
But I said in January we needed help and you defended the club not doing so
You can’t then months later when I am proven correct now say can we take injuries into account ?
That what January is for
I don’t think we should be this far behind no
I think red cards are an excuse
Not literally you but we can’t now bring up injuries
That on the owners
Why is that you constantly mention January’s lack of action as a critical issue, when it would be pure speculation to say that any signing would have worked? I agree we should have signed someone, but no one knows if that would have made any difference.
What is not speculation, is the injuries and red cards. That is something factual, tangible, that happened that clearly affected us.
You put all your stock into speculation, over evidence based knowledge.
Your right Lucy ….
We don’t know if anyone we signed would have been good enough
But we knew what we had left wasn’t
Why do I mention it ?
It’s a huge moment that like I said at the time could haunt us for a long time
@Lucy78
I get your point too but but we are not a small team in Europe, infact we are well respected. Even in the latter years of the great and Legendary Arsené Wenger teams still treated us with caution and respect. They all fielded their best players and even though we were underdogs in some matches the media and society at large still tagged it a big match and many public pubs would rather show Arsenal than Aston Villa who have won champions league before. European greatness is not only defined by trophies, many things make it up but trophies are the final finishing touches of it to cap it off.
I’m a type of person who sets goals and do whatever I can to achieve them, though I understand we don’t always achieve all we want but with this mindset I’ve had lots successes. That’s the same mindset I bring to football and I think fans who celebrate “just being there” are the real problem of this club. By celebrating second, by giving excuses of injuries we accept and celebrate failures. This is the reason the manager, board and owners are very relaxed and not being pushed or in a hurry to achieve great things. That’s why they can take all the time in the world to plan a never ending project with a billion phases.
Achieving greatness starts from we the fans. We need to demand more, it’s high time to pile the pressure on the players, manager, board and owners to give us more. Enough of just participating, we need more than making up the numbers.
Take a look at Madrid and Ancelotti. How many Champions League and Trophies has he won for Madrid? He’s probably one of their most successful coach if not the most successful. But what’s happening? He’s on his way out because he can no longer deliver, fans have been calling for his head all season. Compare that with our lackadaisical fan base. Can you imagine that yesterday people were leaving with 10mins to go? Even 5mins to go? Go on Twitter and you will see fans complaining that other fans were telling them not to shout and cheer the team and lower their voices as the noise was disturbing them. Can you just imagine that for a fan base? The problem starts with us. We’ve accepted mediocrity for so long to the point where the manger, board and owners don’t see any need to deliver immediately success.
See I’m not saying we should be exactly like Madrid but I’m saying we should adopt something from Madrid’s fanbase’s collective consciousness, and that’s the huger to win, the drive to want more, the struggle to be the absolute best and nothing less. If we fans can have that spirit then we will force the hands of the powers that be within the club and only then can this once great club begin to achieve success again
Did you not watch Arsenal in Europe for about the last decade of Wenger’s reign. We were getting humiliated! Teams actually wanted to play us, because they knew they’d get all the space in the world to do what they want, and that we couldn’t defend to save our lives.
Teams may have respected the club of Arsenal as an institution, but no one feared us in Europe at all.
I agree that if you really want to change things long term and become elite, then you must act like that. To be fair to Arteta, has he not moved us a lot in that direction? We may not be winning as of yet, but we are no feared. We turn up against the top teams, are competitive, and I honestly couldn’t remember the last time we were humiliated.
But you also have to look at things in context though. The state of the club when Arteta came in, and then at each individual season.
I honestly came into this season thinking if he didn’t win something, we should move on, but I have had no choice but change my opinion because of the injury nightmare for the entire season. Given so many missing, and all the reds in the league, it’s an impossible job this season!
It’s like telling a builder to build you a house, but then taking away loads of his tools. What would you at the end of the building process?
You know how reds card work right ?
For example Bournemouth and West Ham red cards were consequence of poor defending
No one took anything away from us
I personally think Rice and Trossard red cards were also warranted but accept you don’t
Most games though we have not played well enough , football not as good as last couple of seasons
Do you not realize that it’s harder to win a game with a man less and for so long? Irrespective of who’s fault it is.
Six games in the league Arteta has had to work with a man less, and still only one more defeat than Liverpool. Very impressive!
I initially thought Rice and Trossard ones were, especially after the PGMOL came out and publicly stated they were non subjective calls. Right decisions made. But I’ve lost count of how many times refs don’t book for the exact same offence, especially when a player is already on a yellow. So clearly it is either subjective, or the refs are biased. Meaning the PGMOL lied publicly.
I don’t deny mistakes have been made, and we haven’t performed at our best, but can you honestly not see 2 of the most glaring tangible issues as to why that may be the case the league?
SIX FIXTURES WITH A MAN LESS, ALL DECISIVE IN REGARDS TO THE SCORELINE. THAT’S A POTENTIAL 18 PTS THAT WERE AFFECTED.
HUGE INJURY PROBLEMS ALL SEASON. NO CONSISTENCY OF SELECTION. HARDLY GOT A CHANCE TO SEE OUR BEST XI. THE STRONGEST PART OF OUR ATTACK (RIGHT SIDE), COMPLETLEY DECIMATED. NO STRIKERS FOR 4 MONTHS. BEST ATTACKER OUT FOR 4 MONTHS.
Maybe, just maybe, these issues hampered us.
Finally, just prove how important player availability is, look at Man C! If you think we’ve had a bad season, their drop off is one of worst I have ever seen! And what do they have in common with us this season, huge injuries, including world player of the year Rodri missing all season.
If City’s struggles this season cannot convince you how much a manager can be handicapped by injuries, nothing will!
Yeah but a red card is not always bad luck
It can be a consequence of bad play
So for example we didnt lose to West Ham or the Cherries due to a red card because we had bad luck
It happened because defensively we were poor
Lucy78,
One of your sentence’s sum it up beautifully.
BEST ATTACKER OUT FOR 4 MONTHS.
I assume you mean Havertz. That says it all. 🙄🤦♂️🤷♂️
Lucy78, totally agree with you about our record in Europe. On social media quite a lot of our *fans* were saying that we are at the top table in regards to European football. To me yes we were, but unfortunately we were the main course.
That’s a perfect way of looking at it.
@Lucy78
Sadly, you cannot put memories in a trophy cabinet. Just sayin…
Couldn’t agree more, but that’s not my point.
@Lucy78
Fair enough. My bad…
I don’t know why fans and pundits failed to realize how important Party is to this team. Everyone keep singing Rice’s praise. Some even want us to get rid of Partey. There should be a write-up about Partey on this site. Gabriel too never gets the praise he deserved. It’s always Saliba. Raya is not a bad goalie either. Arteta is the best coach in epl currently. No manager can survive that injury list and still be second in May in epl and still playing in champions league semis
Posters asking why the manager didn’t get a rating. Strange that they never asked that question after our two wins against the reigning champions in the last round 🙄
Also those who are quite balanced
A good manager but not a great one
PMSL 😂
Oh god your going to say he is great 😃
Not at all 🙄
Ratings seem a little strange compared with the game I watched. Timber was ripped to pieces and Rice was far better than 5.5 and Trossard was the better of the rest of our attack and midfield. Ødegaard unfortunately was very poor.
Anyway, it’s only half time so let’s not all get too down.
I thought Rice was really good
Only player in second half who showed some leadership
I’m not going to say it’s his fault, but had partey moved away from dembele as rice did before the goal, I’m pretty sure of who’d get the blame.
I don’t really feel qualified to say if it was the correct decision to try to stop the winger cutting in (not going to try to spell his name) – can definitely see why it might have been the most sensible choice in the moment as it was a dangerous situation and timber was struggling badly, and I’m certainly not blaming rice for it myself, just saying I’m quite sure partey would have been pilloried for it by many.
Partey is to blame for last night more then anyone
Idea he gets an praise is crazy
Be like me not showing up for a birthday party because I got caught speeding ( I got the cake and all the gifts in the car lol )
The party being rubbish without me and then everyone who made an effort and tried getting a hard time but not me lol
Blaming our defeat on a player that wasn’t even on the pitch! Now I’ve heard everything!
Maybe blame Keir Starmer as well? I mean he is the leader of our country, and an Arsenal fan. He surely had the power to influence the result? 🙂
Why wasn’t he on the pitch ?
Nice one Lucy.Was the PM in the crowd last night?Lets also blame our injured playere for their absence on such a crucial night.After a period in which he has done well, against top quality opposition Kwior was exposed on a number of occasions whilst in possession and we were fortunate PSG did not cash in on his limitations.With respect to the lad who is always available, i don’t see him as a viable option for Gabriel next season.
Yeah nice one …..apart from…..well it’s not true is it lol
An injured player can’t help getting hurt
Partey got a yellow card for poor mentality and composure
Lucy78,
I blame the weather myself. 🤣😂👍😉
@DEREK
I blame Sleepy Joe Biden. Oh, and his son Hunter. And the deep state. Yeah, them too…
NY-Gunner,
What a about Donald Trump…
N.Y. is doing a Donald Trump who blames everyone dead or alive hoping it will sink in with his misinformed cult. Blaming Partey is a bit desperate though. Any amount of spontaneous emotion can run through a players head during the 90 minutes. I doubt Partey was thinking of PSG at the time. The blame game should start with Arteta for not getting his tactics right. It is half time, though but we will be running into the wind.
You’re redirecting to something you want to talk about rather than addressing the comment. Though it does back up my point a bit – just makes me think, Roy Keane missed a ECL final for a silly yellow, and the response was sympathetic. Don’t think sympathy is necessary, but the level of backlash on partey is a bit OTT.
That’s because Keane made a tackle for the ball
Partey just lost his head when it was game over
Weak mentality
Kind of supporting my original point by going so hard on this – had it been partey instead of rice who left dembele open, I do think he’d have been blamed.
How can you blame Partey? Did you watch the Madrid match? They are arrogant and bad losers. Sadly referee let them get away with it. Rudiger stepped on Skelly and nothing was given. If it was the other way, it’s a straight red. See how they messed up losing to Barca. Arrogant team.
Didn’t Real get a red at the Emirates
Didn’t Skelly avoid red against PSV ?
Have we not also messed up ?
What is certain is Partey is our most important player.
Odegaard shouldnt only be benched; he should be stripped of the captain’s armband.
The fact that Nwaneri can’t get minutes ahead of Odegaard is a blight to the game and, once again, selective management from Arteta.
Surely Martinelli can be coached to stop facing the ground to play football.
Merino, just like Havertz, is another unsuccessful signing that seems to thrive in the attack rather than the midfield; he offers way more than Trossard in the striking department .
Arteta lacks a plan B. It was embarrassing he couldn’t switch up the game. The management of Tierney is disgraceful . Lastly, surely Zinchenko could have been made use of.
We can blame players, but the manager also has a mentality deficit; hence, we keep choking at major moments.
We have a lot to do in summer, and the fact that Partey hasn’t been offered a contract is frankly insulting .
I can forgive everything, but this has been 5 years of the same poor performances in Europe. The lack of subs when we’re obviously overran. Odegaard was like playing with 10 man. Why not put Ethan there? Or even Zinny, he’s a midfielder… There were options, the manager chose to ignore them.
Trossard – 5
Martinelli – 4
Odegaard – 3
Saka – 6
Merino – 5
Rice – 6
Skelly – 6
Kiwior – 5
Saliba – 6
Timber – 5
Raya – 6
I hear people on here say get rid of this player and get rid of that player. Well I’ll give you a name.
Get rid of our so called Captain a total waste of time. Arm waving, constantly wiping his nose, then runs his hands through his hair as if wiping his hands if you get my drift.
Maybe if he concentrated more on influencing the play we might do better.
And to think this club has had some great Captains, Tony Adams, Patrick Viera, and Thierry Henry to name but three, all of them led by example.
Our current Captain couldn’t lead the club dog let a lone a team.
@Liam. You are the bigger fool. People like HH and Derek,,, and I will include Dan Smith and Dan Kit , see Arsenal matches and usually say it as it is. At the end of the day they call it right. Martin Odegaard is an Arsenal’s captains back side. He never shows up in big matches. Norwegian supporters will tell you the same. Must be the worst captain I have seen in recent years at Arsenal. He’s been substituted nearly 60 times as an ARSENAL CAPTAIN. That says alot. Never saw Tony Adams or Patrick Vieira,,,even Pat Rice substituted. And this nonsense of ARM WAVES from certain ARSENAL PLAYERS to get the ARSENAL SUPPORTERS motivated is an absolute embarrassment. It’s up to the players on massive wages to show the way. This ARSENAL of today is a massive joke under the most GOOD LOOKING SPANIARD MANAGER that is plastered all over the EMIRATES STADIUM WALLS . They carry on with alot of bullshit and false advertising nonsense. Someone noted the other day, under Arteta, 6 semi finals and no wins. Please correct me if I am wrong. Let me know Dan Smith. Because a particular site noted 6 semi finals, zero goals scored under Mikel Arteta. I think that maybe wrong because we lost a semi finals 2-1 in the Europa League. And yet so called fan boys and fan girls said we had BIGGER FISH TO FRY. WE ENDED UP EATING RAW BLOODY FISH INSTEAD. I really hope this new SPORTING DIRECTOR of Arsenal puts Mikel Arteta on his backside once and for all. We’ve gone through PHASES 1,2,3,4,5,,,,, NO SUCH THING IN WORLD FOOTBALL,,, but Josh Kronke, Edu Jasper, and Mikel Arteta spun it to gullible non educated ARSENAL SUPPORTERS and they fell for it HOOK LINE and SINKER. MIKEL ARTETA would make an unbelievable CULT LEADER. The DAVID’S and FAN GIRLS on .this site would be MIKEL ARTETA’S DECIPLES. They would be licking his feet in admiration, bowing down to him. I support Arsenal through and through. I love that cannon. Have done since 1977. I don’t accept mediocrity
Yeah didnt see article but obviously we won the FA Cup Semi Final ?
After that I guess we are looking at
Villarreal 2-1 Arsenal
Arsenal 0-0 Villarreal
Liverpool 0-0 Arsenal
Arsenal 0-2 Liverpool
Arsenal 0-2 Newcastle
Newcastle 2-0 Arsenal
Arsenal 0- PSG 1
pjennings,
I have to admit I agree with a lot of what you say.
I’ve been supporting the Arsenal from 1978 up to now.
The club has become one large gimmick. Take the club dog for instance, has anyone else seen the irony of naming him Win.😂🤣. (Win what!)👍😉🙄🤦♂️🤷♂️
You have never seen Tony Adams substituted ? You obviously didn’t see our UEFA Cup game in Koln against Borussia Monchengladbach in 1996, when Wenger subbed him off in the second half.
Btw, Wenger wasn’t official in charge at the time of that game.
Herr Drier,
Are you serious, while previous Captains have been subbed on occasion. They certainly haven’t been subbed the amount that the current Captain has.
And for you to give one example of it is quite honestly, Laughable. Come on now!🙄🤦♂️🤷♂️
@Derek. Well said. Herrrrr Drierrrr must one of those new aged yuppiers that believes in this so called phases and processe nonsense. Mikel Arteta, THE CULT LEADER,,, Herr Drier the Diciple to Mikel Arteta. Herr Drier tends to shift the goal posts side to side
pjennings, nope, being going to The Arsenal before you became a *fan*. The club has been in my family for well over a 100 years 😁
The Arsenal have been part of my family background for a similar amount of time HD. You could just about kick a football from my nan and grandad’s house in Jackson Road into the Emirates. I was a teenager at the FA cup final in 1971 with my Dad as well so that trumps being a fan since 1977.
One thing for sure, it shows my age 😊
SueP, my Grandad used to watch us when we played at the Manor Ground in Plumstead. His eldest son, my dad, was Arsenal, my son and 3 grandsons are all Arsenal.
You, I, and a few others on here have seen the good and the bad times following The Arsenal. My first season of going to Highbury was the 75/76 season when we finished 17th. Can you imagine how the newer breed of fan would’ve reacted to that season 😂
Remember, age is just a number 😁. I officially reach retirement age tomorrow 😲
Congratulations HD on reaching the milestone. and welcome to the club. You have so much knowledge about Arsenal and we have indeed enjoyed the best of times but also seen some seasons to forget.
SueP, what thank you 👍.
My knowledge about our great club has been passed down the generations and also by reading. A little known fact is that we had the first end called the Kop, which was at the Manor Ground in Plumstead. That was in 1904, while the Liverpool one was given that name in 1906.
@SUEP ,,,,how do you do, is the poor girl who can only afford to listen to FOOTBALL on the radio. They did invent television to watch football 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Are you feeling alright pjennings?
Radio, tv, live games, you name it – oh and a thoroughly enjoyable home game at Highbury in the directors’ box with a buffet in the boardroom to boot.
Are you feeling alright pjennings?
Radio, tv, live games, you name it – oh and a thoroughly enjoyable home game at Highbury in the directors’ box with a buffet in the boardroom to boot.
Best regards to you in Japan by the way
Lot of people here needs help @Sue p
Your ancestors must be rolling in their graves seeing you put a mediocre manager before the club.
HH, wrong again 😁
Derek, perhaps try reading what pjennings wrote before replying to me. He posted that he had NEVER seen Tony Adams substituted. I just corrected him on his mistake.
Btw, I might be wrong, but I would imagine Tony was also substituted during his the 01/02 season, which was his last ever season.
Herr Drier,
I never denied that the likes of Adams, Viera, or Henry were never substituted, of course they were. The point I was making was that the current joke of a captain gets subbed far to much. That in itself raises a question.
Does the manager see what a lot of us see, and takes him off accordingly.
Which then begs another question, if answer to the first question is yes, then why start him in the team so much instead of benching him. Because he constant failure to show up is not helping the team any.
And as for your answer to pjennings regarding the Tony Adams substitution question, my apologies on that. I stand corrected. 😉👍
Derek, as I posted on another article, it would seem his ankle ligament injury from earlier this season is still causing him problems. Hopefully it gets sorted during the close season.
On that article Ben posted that Odegaard will be having an operation at the end of this season.
Well Herr Drier,
As I’ve said on another post on here, if he’s struggling he should be nowhere near the first team. Of what benefit is he to both himself and the team.
And who’s to say that by playing on he’s not storing up more problems with said ankle injury. It’s plain stupid to keep playing him if that’s the case.
@Herrrrrr Drierrrrrrr, I’ve seen Tony Adams disgrace himself with DRINK DRIVING. So what is your punch BOZO GENE. Because you have nothing on me. You are a fan boy of Marty Odegaard. You most probably wet you pants over him. Maybe posters on your Ceilings of your BOY XXXX
pjennings, lay off the Shochu fella, as you are way off the mark !
Didn’t you once tell me you played for SV Hamburg ?
Personally, I don’t think people are uneducated or gullible for getting behind the club and those running it at the moment. I understand your frustration and I get what you mean but that is no reason for that rant.
Fundamentally, I think the big issue here is that people experience the world differently. For you, success is defined by winning trophies and that’s okay. It’s an ‘all or nothing’ kind of mentality. You’re mostly interested in the end/outcome rather than the means. You find fulfillment in achieving the ultimate goal.
On the other hand, there are others who are more interested in the process and find fulfillment in the process or journey, if you will, and appreciate various aspects of this journey including the highs and lows. This is okay too. This doesn’t necessarily mean these people are complacent or tolerant of mediocrity. They are probably just more contented, especially if they feel that everyone involved in the process is giving their best.
All in all, I think we should be more tolerant of opposing views. People support the club for different reasons. People experience the sport of football differently. There’s no right or wrong way of being a fan.No one has the monopoly of defining what another fan should do.Name calling people for holding opinions you disagree with is symptomatic of everything that is wrong with the world today.
Then why the constant need to defend Arteta against valid criticism and some like that Liam or Herr Dier going after anyone who do so?
If one find fulfilment in the process let them enjoy it without taking it personal any criticism against Arteta as if he is their blood relative or they have a share of his salary.
Anyone can criticise. Whether it is valid or otherwise is often subject to debate. So your views can be challenged.
I can’t tell for sure why an individual would feel the need to defend Arteta. I can’t read into people’s minds unfortunately.That said, if that is what they feel like expressing, they should be allowed to do so as long as they do it in a respectful manner. Similarly,those with criticism should feel free to express themselves. Both of these peoples should also be open to being challenged for their views.
If I were to make a guess as to why some feel the constant need to defend Arteta, I’d say it’s because there are others who feel a constant need to criticize the guy. It’s an action-reaction kind of thing. Another guess is that since Arteta is not here to defend himself against the criticism, some feel the need to do it on his behalf. If a criticism is fair, then it should be able to stand against any counter criticism. It all boils down to the principle of fairness which is embraced everywhere in the world. If you offer criticism and don’t want others to challenge the fairness or validity of that criticism, that’s the definition of tyranny.
Why should Arteta defend himself even if he were able to? Shouldn’t results on the pitch and trophies in the cabinet do it for him?
Take Pep for example, he doesn’t need defending nor does he need excuses because his work shows.
Defending and excusing come out only when one is performing below expectations. If they were performing as expected there wouldn’t be any need for weekly excuses.
When we beat Real Madrid you didn’t see excuses or criticism because he did what was expected of him.
We keep drawing or losing to the likes of Brentord, Southampton, Crystal Palace or West Ham it warrants criticism but there will be some who will defend any bad results every week for 5 years running now.
Why?
Not a single week in 5 years has any of them conceded even once that a manager messed up a game yet they come after anyone with sincere and valid criticism. Isn’t that abnormal all things considered?
HH, yet our previous manager blamed things for defeats. Seems like it’s ok for one manager, but not another 🙄
Herr Drier,
I never used to let Wenger get off scot-free either.
I would call him out as well. His constant I did not see it was a particular irritant to me.
If it was for his side he didn’t see it. But if it was against his side, he would suddenly develop 20-20 vision.
I drove me mad. 😉🙄🤦♂️🤷♂️👍
It drove me mad. OOPS!. My bad. 🤷♂️
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Superbly put Onyango.
I have zero problem with Derek, yourself, Dan and Dan kit. I have a problem with HH because he would rather see us lose than be successful under Arteta. Edited out personal attack
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When did I write a post about Jesus and fairies or said I want the team to lose? You are not the first one to try that on me. TMJW used to do it a lot too. Perhaps you are one of his “numerous” accounts?
Deleted for getting personal, let’s keep it civil
Are you sure about that?
Admn Martin where are you?
Liam I hope (but doubtful) you are man enough to issue an apology when Martin confirm or refute your made up accusations.
I have now seen this interaction and taken action. Let’s keep it civil, lads.
You are just going to delete the lies and false accusations he made against me? He started attacking me because I asked for the rating of the manager what action are you going to take about that?
This started at the time of Pat. I would make a post about the manager and the whole gang will come after me in bullying fashion (1 against 7) only they couldn’t handle the return leg when I fought back.
They started this I never did. When I gave them a taste of their own medicine they couldn’t swallow and one even tried unsuccessful to get me banned and another did what Liam did attributing to me phantom posts that I never made nor do I think they even existed.
Deleted for all the reasons listed previously, Stop it now please Liam
Admin Martin just deleting posts won’t do it. Please confirm did I make a post about Jesus and fairies (first time I hear about such post) and then disappeared for months?
As far as I am aware the longest I go without posting on JA is few days at most for the past 6 years.
HH, I am not going to get dragged into this, me deleting posts is my way of letting people know of my disapproval and that further action will be taken if it persists. What is unfair is that the comments get clogged up with arguments between posters that are no more than insults being throw and no longer related to the actual article, my reposnse to you being a case in point. I will monitor the comments and if any further infractions occur then I will take the neccasary actions to maintain the integrity of the comments.
Just deleting his false accusations is unfair to me and empowering him to make even more false accusations because why shouldn’t he if you are allowing him?
Already responded
Deleted and my patience is running out
Mate a bit deep ?
Just remember this is football your arguing over
Shouldn’t get to this point
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Lets be honest withy our ratings. Timber was given a torrid time the first phase of the game but he grew into his stride and we never saw anything notable from Krava thereafter. I would give higher ratings to the defense for conceding just one goal whatever way we managed that. It gives us much confidence in the second which we can win and proceed to the final. Arteta takes much of the blame for loaning out and selling players he didn’t replace.
Let’s us just pray for a better performance next week and dispatch PSG and proceed to win the final. The team can do it the coach just needs to do the right thing eg not playing Odegaard who has been out of sorts for longer periods and finding a strategy for Saka and Martinelli to flourish. PSG merely used strategy used by bottom EPL teams who crowed our wingers when they receive balls effectively making them ineffective. I really don’t know why Raya continuously pumped the ball to Saka when it was clear that the PSG team had been instructed to crowd him and made if very difficult for him to penetrate into the danger zone. Those are issues the coach must notice and deal with.
The only consolation is it’s only 1 goal we are capable of turning this around espec with Partly back will still take some doing but we shown against Madrid what this team is capable of so time for them to stand up and deliver again! Regarding Arteta with me has just next season to Wimbledon and major trophy looks like he’s gona be backed in the transfer window if he is and fails to deliver then it’s time to go!
Simba I think he pumped it forward because we couldn’t effectively play out from the back like we usually do. Saka was the obvious choice because out of the front three on the day, he’s probably the best at holding the ball up. He’s not great at it but we had no other option in the absence of Havertz and Merino playing deeper. With the return of Partey, we’ll have the option playing out from the back because he’s good at it as well as the long ball option to Merino who I expect to be back at Centre Forward.
Sorry should be to win a major trophy
This makes it worse because we can beat Inter 😞
Remember when we were told Nwaneri was more skilful then Lemal?
What a goal !!!!!
I can’t believe how good yamal is at that age. He makes the game look so easy.
nothing violation why? unreasonable tbh
Come on people on here who are starting to get personal with each other.
While sometimes I can get frustrated by certain posts I read on here, and I’ve read a few to be fare. Come on people, were all adults on here. Don’t make it personal, is it really worth the risk of Admin Martin removing you permanently if you persist with getting personal.
Come on we’re better than that aren’t we?. 😉
I agree
Football is a beautiful game ……but it is just that. a game
Why is everyone ignore that someone just went after me with made up accusations and got personal because I asked for manager’s rating?
But I have learned better not to engage further. My theory is some might be sacrificing their other account to get banned and take me down with them.
Mate when he said no one cares what you think I did interject
You been on this site for years so enjoy it right?
Don’t let someone ruin it for you
As you know I get ganged up on so go by this rule ……
Have a standard that you don’t fall under
The moment someone does not talk about the topic or gets personal do not engage with them
There are plenty of others who will
Thanks mate. You are right not engaging is the the right way forward.
Exactly dude
Used to be a certain person on here obsessed with me and I just ignored him and it wound him up
Dans last paragraph is true HH
Don’t engage with stupidity,me on the other hand I do the opposite because I’m as stupid as them 😂.
Love nothing more than a back and forth .
Remember once where I said Iwobi was Sh1t and some one replied saying my family should hang themsleves ,
Now while some find that utterly disgusting,I just laughed it off ,water off a ducks back for me ,cannot speak for others but that’s the way I am personally.