Arsenal lost 2-1 at home to Bournemouth this afternoon, increasing their risk of finishing this term outside the top two.
Arsenal want to win the Champions League, but they risk slipping further down the Premier League table.
This makes winning more league matches important, and Bournemouth are a team capable of providing a proper test.
The Cherries were a good challenge ahead of the Champions League return leg in Paris next week, so Arsenal began strongly.
However, Bournemouth were as fearless as expected and demonstrated their quality with some fine early chances.
Arsenal managed to withstand those moments and took the lead through Declan Rice.
This was exactly how the fans would have wanted the match to unfold, and the team now needed to find another goal.
It did not come before half-time, and the Gunners continued to press their visitors in search of a second.
PSG players would likely have been watching and taking notes on how strong this Arsenal side can be at their best.
However, this was not the Gunners’ finest performance at the Emirates, and soon afterwards the visitors equalised through Arsenal target Dean Huijsen.
The Cherries followed that with another goal by Evanilson, who scored from a fortunate opportunity.
A lengthy VAR review confirmed the goals should stand, and Arsenal suddenly found themselves behind.
They pushed hard for another goal, but Bournemouth were prepared for everything thrown at them and held on to win the match 2-1.
3-1 Arsenal vs PSG
Hahahahahahahahahahaha…
Come back to me buddy Wednesday night with you’re hahahaha
Why would you say such a thing?
Pathetic from arsenal, this season has turned into a nightmare
Arteta out…
That guy fielded our starting 11 to destroy all confidence left ahead of PSG… We won’t finish second. Pool and Newcastle will smash us.
Lifeless performances all season, but it’s always the ref, injuries, never Arteta the almighty. Pathetic. Season over, and we might not finish in the top 5!
All true tbh. Laughable performances from a bunch of pretenders!
A tale of 2 halves and in some cases individuals were guilty of good and pretty average
First half was dominant without much in the way of end product. Don’t know the story behind Timber not playing but White was a bit ring rusty. Sometimes Partey was excellent and then the complete opposite. Overall I think Odegaard did well compared to some of the others. God knows what was going on at the back at times and their second goal was down to a complete cock up. Terrible.
There was no reason why Arsenal couldn’t have won that game, but they didn’t show nearly enough in the second half and Bournemouth took advantage. The throw in that Bournemouth scored from was a belter.
Not a great result to take with us to France and I’m surprised that Arteta didn’t make changes earlier
You know what worried me Sue and it’s been a pattern ( I think confidence) but in last 10 minutes you no longer feel like Arsenal will make lots of chances do you ?
I left with a few minutes to go. I don’t know if it was complacency when we scored but the second half we weren’t at the races. Confidence is one consideration but the first half was different. Maybe they have Wednesday on their minds but the back line were – and I hate the word – sloppy. Bournemouth were not brilliant by any means
The losing or drawing from winning positions has become a habit 😔
How can it be our starting eleven when Timber was out?
Lifeless performances all season? Already forgotten Madrid home and away, City home and away, spuds home and away, PSV home and away just for starters?
Of course injuries have played a part – Tomiyasu, Havertz, Jesus, Saka, White, Califiori, Martinelli all with long term injuries.
Now back to reality and today’s performance :
After five years, MA still doesn’t use his bench properly.
There is a feeling of inevitability at the moment, no matter what we are doing, we’re going to lose or draw.
The only positive from today was that there were no more injuries, but the feeling that it’s the same old ending once again, is looming large.
Defeat on Wednesday and I can see Arteta’s fate being the same as Wenger’s and Emery’s…. out of the club with a year still left on his contract.
Last paragraph Ken
Let’s hope for the good of the club
Sorry should have said “I hope “
Never been one of those herd posters that speaks for everyone else .
Good thinking Batman 😊
I know there are fans who think this has been a successful season and Arsenal deserve an ‘ applause ‘ but by the time we kick off at Anfield Man City could be joint points with us and Newcastle a point behind lol
We are lucky that Chelsea and Newcastle then Chelsea Forest play each other
That will just keep us in top 5
Success? Look at the point compared to last season. It’s a negative. It’s only because of City’s bad season we look so good!
I don’t think anyone in their right mind can call the season a success but I’m not going to rip them to shreds over the injuries sustained to multiple players – many missing several weeks and months at a time. There’s no point really, repeating it over again.
Call me out for making excuses if you wish, but the season has been so fragmented that I think it’s a miracle the club has maintained its top4 position thus far considering the circumstances.
I hadn’t thought about Arteta getting the push, but he does, c’est la vie. Cut throat business is football management I’d be sorry but many won’t be
People have called it a success
Others said other day we deserve an around of applause
Finishing 2nd, semi finals UCL, semi finals League Cup, how can that not be a successful season?
Sarcasm ? Lol
Ken1945,
I hope your last paragraph comes to fruition. It will be worth losing to PSG, if it means this joke of a manager gets the boot. And while the club are at it, how about Arteta takes the joke of a captain with him. 🙄🤦♂️🤷♂️
Picked his nose too much for your liking again Derek?
No SueP,
He gets picked to much for my liking. 🤣😂👍
How about a review of his game yesterday because he was considerably better than others I could name
To be serious SueP,
He may have been a bit better yesterday, but in a team performance like that it’s not saying much. The odd good game here or there is not going to cut it I’m afraid.
If he produces what I see as a captains performance on Wednesday against PSG, then I will give credit where its due. But I won’t be holding my breath, I’ve been waiting for him to turn up for most of the season and I’m still waiting.
You’re not being serious though. He didn’t deserve to be mentioned negatively when he put in a decent showing.
As for suggesting that you’d be happy to lose on Wednesday if it means the back of Arteta, well!! I thought all Arsenal supporters wanted the team to win regardless of who is at the hellm… or so I’m told
SueP, the only time I have ever read a fan hoping to see us lose in order to get the manager sacked, was my old mate Jon Fox and Arsene Wenger.
I couldn’t believe or understand it then and I don’t now!!
It’s odd Ken1945 that Derek, who is usually so quick off the mark to comment has failed to respond to a post in which he wants Arsenal to fail so it hastens the departure of Arteta.
It’s not the first time such things have been said.
Sue, Derek’s been trolling Just Arsenal ever since he first showed up here.
I had to look up trolling. I knew roughly what it meant but quite an insight into it various meanings
What does trolling mean in slang?
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In online slang, “trolling” refers to the act of intentionally posting offensive, provocative, or disruptive content online to annoy or upset others, often with the goal of starting arguments or gaining attention. It involves intentionally using bait to draw reactions, sometimes even saying things one doesn’t believe just to cause drama.
Jax, he also doesn’t know how to use the emojis properly. Last month after our home win against Real Madrid, I posted about an Arsenal mate of mine who sadly passed away the day before the game. Derek replied something along the line of ‘sorry to hear that’ and one of the emojis he used was a 😉.
Oh Jax,
Your back, I’ve missed you. And to get it straight I don’t troll no one. I say it as I see it, and refuse to be positive just for the sake of it like quite a few on here.
People get so touchy when anyone dares to go against Arteta or has anything negative to say regards the team.
If what I say ruffles a few feathers along the way, then so be it.
And in answer to you sue, regarding my comment on hoping Arsenal lose to PSG if it gets rid of this Manager, ordinarily I don’t want my team to lose anytime. But in this case, if its the only way to get rid, then so be it.
We’ll never win the League or Champions League under this manager.
If he proves me wrong, I’ll be only to willing to eat some humble pie, and take all the flak that will come my way. (I’m big enough to take it.)😉👍
Poor show Derek
The ownership will take their own view of Arteta and they will decide his future. If it curtains because the team lose to PSG and finish in the lower in the league then it’s down to them. I can safely say I’ve never wanted Arsenal to lose. Heaven knows I was less than impressed with Emery, but wanting Arsenal to lose as a means of getting him out never crossed my mind. I wanted him to win
SueP, I was the same with Wenger. Wanted out for quite a few years, but never ever wanted the team to lose.
Sue & Herr Drier, and dosen’t he take such pleasure in his put downs. It all seems a bit of fun him. Not what you’d expect from an Arsenal supporter.That’s what I find most annoying.
You say it’s a bit of fun to him ?
But shouldn’t it be fun ?
It’s only football
Is he meant to be hurt what some strangers online say to him
Fact is win or lose Wednesday, bigger things in life are happening
Dan, he’s taking fun in Arsenal losing, not what’s being said to him. I don’t see anyone else here getting enjoyment from us getting beaten.
Dan, but I see how that could have .been taken two ways
But he was equally delighted when we beat Real Madrid?
I can’t think of a time he’s criticised a win. So some redemption.
He certainly does Jax. Unbelievable from a so called Arsenal fan 😡
I guess a fan being frustrated based on this season doesn’t shock me
Dan
There are indeed far more important things in life than football. Having a sense of humour and a bit of banter goes a long way. Casually wanting Arsenal to lose in order to hasten Arteta’s departure is a completely different matter and you have chosen to ignore it. I can’t think of many people on JA who exhibit a thicker skin than Derek as he is happy to dish it out to whoever he disagrees with.
Cringe .
The cringe was for you JAX (and your Arteta cronies )
Love how the herd come straight out when one of them opens their traps .
Don’t listen to them Derek ,they are quiet on their own but come out after dark when all of them have had their hot chocolate.
DK, Arteta cronies, now that certainly is cringe.
The Herd, what great days were #595
HD,I have respect for you …. As it stands ….let’s not change that ,only makes the pair of us look like cu-ts going back and forth.
When the team wins, you all joke and laugh but when the team losses it becomes Arteta out? How many of you are true fans? How many premier league coach would get their team into the semis? Arsenal is missing Gabriel alongside Salina. It’s never the same without that pairing.
You all get behind the team. Massive support and that’s what they need. How come no Arteta out after the Madrid win? It’s pathetic seeing some folks with coach like mentality and think it’s an easy job. The manager is trying. Who is available and better suited to replace him?
*Saliba
Simple BME12 – There are those with positive vibes and those with negative vibes regarding our owner, manager and players – no matter what, they will never change their views.
Not true
If Arsenal went and won the title or even challenged for it many would change their vibes
So wait a min
When your teams wins people are happy ?
When they lose they are not ?
When they fail to win trophies the management get questioned?
Isn’t that every sports team in the world ?
If my team wins playing crap football, I’m not happy relieved would be more suitable.
If my team loses, but have given everything, I’m happy to know we’re on the right track.
If they fail to win trophies, but, once again, have given their all and got to the semi final (maybe even the final) of the CL while finishing in the top four in the PL again, I would look at all the reasons why.
Injuries are not the fault of management, the owner, or the players and, of course, the injuries we’ve suffered this season are not those of every sports team in the world.
I can’t think of any other football club in europe that compares to our record to date.
Well as you know I blame the owners as in January the world knew the squad needed help and they did nothing
We had a good enough team to be getting better results recently but I accept one eye is on PSG
Arteta has a big problem with finishing a season and crossing the finishing line well.
For the past 5 years he has lost to teams we should be winning in the last 10 games of the season.
This is a very serious issue he needs to face.
Now, it’s looking like unto the next season.
Berta and Arteta should be ruthless and give us quality signings that will improve the team.
If he does not win anything next season then he should just see out his remaining 2 years contract or better still, be sacked.
Better still he should resign,(no payoff )seeing how much he harps on about his love for the club .
🤣🤣🤣
Does he love it enough to forgive sweet 32 million payoff?
Only thing he loves ,”is himself “
Biggest EGO in world football
Odergaard not looking the same since he came back from injury, you see flashes of brilliance, and you expect him to build on them yet they just fizzle out, the same seems to have happened to Saka, he would’ve scored twice this match before injury. I would’ve played Nwaneri instead of Saka for the majority of the game.
We are lucky that we are simply running out of games
Anymore left we would finish outside top 5
you are absolutely right. We need Chelsea to lose to Liverpool to be pretty safe. Hard to believe that we may need to beat Southampton just to requalify for CL. That is really damning…
Given our current form I don’t feel particularly confident that we can even beat Southampton.
this is just so sad. It is telling that every game our opponent has substitutes that can come in and contribute (even the teams further down the table).
I know, I know we have a lot of injuries but even still there are a number of players who just don’t rate or that Arteta does not trust to play. We talk a lot about the starter needs (and they are absolutely essential) but we also need depth.
Squad building has been pretty spotty over the last while and once again it is going to cost us a real chance at winning EPL. Our first choice team is really good but you have to plan for injuries and you have to rotate. We seem to have missed the boat on both counts.
There are a lot of players playing in EPL who were Arsenal players. We let them go and did not replace the depth.
Now I hope that we come up big against PSG, and with Partey back we have a chance. But we looked so tired in the second half today I worry. Even more, PSG is going to sit back in a low block and dare us to break them down. I am not sure we can do it.
Just so sad…
He always goes for tried and tested when it comes to substitution. He doesn’t like taking risk that’s why he goes for the likes of Sterling instead of trying one of the youth on the bench. Without the injuries to the first team, MLS and Nwaneri wouldn’t have gotten playing time this season
his loan should have been cancelled so we could have used the spot. That was loyalty to an old City player and it has been a huge waste
Can’t blame Sterling for today
Won’t be surprised if we fail to make four as the writing was on the wall since January. Expect same outcome next season too.
Disgraceful stuff. £750 million and we can’t put two goal past the cherries in our own building.
This is what I feared. Because the squad is down to bare bones, we can hardly rotate, and our main guys know the season is done domestically, so all their focus is on Europe.
Rightly or wrongly, I think it’s more a mentality issue during this run-in.
Another main issue this season is that we seem incapable of getting that second or third goal to give us breathing space. Arteta really needs to sort that next season, because I think he’s been found out a little.
We need some new signings in the summer, but it’ll be irrelevant should we have yet another injury crisis. We need luck with the injuries more than anything next season like Liverpool have had.
or sort Arteta – I am really beginning to think that he has to go…we have blown our best chances to win EPL and we are going backwards. Extra gloomy after the game I know but I am sure he will be there saying how we should have won.
“we have blown our best chances to win EPL”. How was it our best chance with all those reds, and a shocking injury crisis for the entire season?
Surely you’re not blaming sending offs and injuries on the manager?
Well, the reality is we shouldn’t have lost. Terrible defensively yesterday and chances not seized upon
Imo Arteta had to play to win as the league position is still important. I don’t know why substitutions were not made earlier. Ages spent on the touch line warming up and the final subs were made with minutes left on the clock. Didn’t get that at all.
The whole thing yesterday was an embarrassment and there is NO valid excuse. Its typical under Artetas reign.
I blame any fan who defended January
I said at the time … Would cost us everything……you can’t stand still in Football
I blame any fan that claims injuries, and decisive red cards, do not weaken you at all!
And weird how you’re saying about January as a reply to me, when I have not once defended that transfer window. Clearly, you got the wrong person.
I’m amazed as well Lucy78, as it seems some of our own fans will say anything to denegrate the club.
Not buying anyone in the January window, does not make up for White, Tomiyasu, Saka, Martinelli, Jesus, Havertz and Gabriel all being out with long term injuries – unless it was expected that we would sign seven players of the same calibre, at ridiculously inflated prices, to cover for them.
Cloud cuckoo land and then to blame the owner for the situation tops it off completely!!
No Ken your agenda is starting to slip
You can’t every time the team fail to win put it on the fans
You make out that we win titles and fans still moan
We could be 16 points behind Liverpool today
There are clearly fans who are all too keen to denigrate the club. We are again seeing fans who would like us to lose just because they dislike the manager. Are you not disappointed that a fan would take this view close to one of the most important games in our recent history?
Would it make fair to accuse fans like you wanting the club to win only because of who is the manager?
How is that the case? Since when have I not wanted Arsenal to win whoever was the manager. The comment I referenced was clearly by another fan.
Your comment is a slur which you should withdraw. This kind of thing is a reason I limit interacting with people like you.
😂 Thirdman repeating the same old tired excuse.
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Sorry, I don’t debate stupid! 🙂
I wasn’t debating with you .
Just your usual trolling then 🙂
Says he /her on their 5th account .
Is he the only one?
I have always been an Arteta supporter but is this as far as he can take Arsenal? It’s not just his lack of signing a striker but his tactics and overthinking at times that are really becoming worrisome. I have no hope whatsoever for Wednesday and I really hope they prove me wrong. COYG!!!
Wednesday could be ugly.
We have no ambition
Sideways back passing.
Just creating pressure on Raya.
Think Arteta time up even if we did the unthinkable
That does not make sense. This is Arsenal’s 3rd CL semi-final in our history. We only got back into the CL last season after being out for years.
Maybe we might be better finishing 6th and playing in the Europa League next season. It’s obviously an easy competition as one of Man Utd and Spurs are probably going to win it. Trouble is our weak willed team would probably make a mess of trying to win that as well.
Now even 2nd is not certain. At least we should make CL final. Can the substandard manager inspire his squad to rise up to the occasion or it is just easier to blame the ball?
We are starting to struggle to hold on to 5th HH. It will be sqeaky bum time.
Nah guys
To not finish in the top 5 would take crazy results
That won’t happen
not sure about “should” in sentence two. based on our EPL form and from game one against PSG. I would go with “hope” or “could”.
There are a lot of missing people, injured or just missing…
Yet ANOTHER match where they bore the pants off us with insipid football and fail, yet again to hold onto a lead. How Arteta thinks, playing this type of football, will EVER get us anything worthwhile, is mind boggling. We try to bore the opposition into submission with backwards and sideways football. Slow, slow, slow, slow slow💤 and we get what we deserve, time after time. It is just not enjoyable to watch but I am sure there are few who will come on here and defend it. Urrrrrrggggghh the pain goes on with this manager. Wasting opportunities, by employing someone incapable of bringing trophies to this club. I for one are NOT looking forward to PSG because, I just don’t see how this way is going to bring us success. It is not top class football management at all.
Squeaky bum time in Paris on Wednesday – all because we couldn’t finish the job against Bournemouth.
Regrettably, this is becoming a familiar pattern under Mikel Arteta.
The fact that we have amassed only 2 points from 3 home matches against Palace, Brentford and Bournemouth is unacceptable regardless of our injury problems and our mid week exertions against PSG.Defensively we are all at sea and the risks taken by our keeper in playing out from the back does little to instil confidence at the back .The fact that Raya has more touches of the ball than many of our outfield players is a sad reflection of the ineffective ,slow moving tactics which have increasingly become a sad feature of our play as the season has progressed.Quite frankly ,i no longer enjoy the brand of football we now play , and the eager anticipation i used to have before each match has sadly gone.The Arteta “project” is likely to be found wanting again this season but i suspect he will still be at the helm for the new term when we can expect more of the same with the blessing of our owners .
@Grandad I consider your analysis most time agree with my thought line. Arteta seem to run out of ideas when it mattered most. Unlike two seasons again Arsenal now seem to move the ball sluggishly and lacking in pace. I don’t know what the goalkeeper coaches tells Raya who often fluff his lines this day. If we win nothing this season after 5 years of Arteta reign only the fans will consider it a failure, Arteta’s
employers would think otherwise. IMO,.i see a less ambitious club runners
I can’t believe that I am typing this but I may not watch after Wednesday. To Grandad’s point – our style is so boring and it is hard to watch. If the points were rolling in one could accept that but we are dropping points and slogging along like we have weights on our feet. The playing out scares the pants off me, we are always one slight error from a goal.
Such a mistake to play all the players who will play PSG this week. Confidence is at rock bottom. They look tired and jaded and have no rhythm and dance in their play. We have to examine Arteta’s judgement. If we are not careful even the European Champions league qualifications will be beyond us.
Said it 2+ years ago, draws will be the death of Arteta at AFC.
So, what does he do, plays damn near everyone when they all needed rest, guess who rested their players, Inter, PSG and Barcelona.
It is fine margins, and our guys have nothing left in the tank as they have been played years straight on.
Arteta is a stubborn a$$ when it comes to player rotation, and using bench players, it will most likely be his managerial downfall.
It is not out of the realm of possibility that if AFC loses to psg, heads drop and we lose to pool, and newcastle and possibly southampton, and if $h*Ty, chavs, the barcodes and forest win their remaining games, AFC goes 6th and out of CL.
It maybe our only saving grace is that Chelsea have to play Newcastle and Forest so maximum points for all three can not happen.But it isn’t beyond us to lose all three games.Southampton have been a bogey side to us in the past.
Out of interest Aaron, what first eleven would you have selected for today’s match and who would you have on the bench?
Yeah people don’t seem to realize how many players we have missing. Arteta could barely rotate.
Butler.
Trossard. Nwaneri. Sterling.
Zinchenko. Partey.
Tierney. Kiwior. Saliba. White.
Raya.
I’m not against resting 5 or 6 first team players like what PSG did, but I won’t fault MA for playing his strongest team either.
There are valid reasons either way. The return leg to PSG is the most important game of our season at this point. To qualify for CL is also very important and to virtually ensure it with a win against Bournemouth would have been great.
It’s just a massive disappointment to play our strongest team and not get a result
@SJ
Sorry, but I was so stunned with Butler starting, that I just couldn’t bring myself to read the rest of your lineup.
You’re just underrating him. He might have just converted some chances if given good supply.
Spot on Grandad. It was noticeable how fast Bournemouth attacked compared to our slow predictable build up play.
Just read a star that says we have conceded 38% of our goals from set pieces, so can someone explain what our “master of set pieces” is actually doing these days?
Time to tear the mural down perhaps?
Ken1945
It was fascinating watching just how much of an outfield player Raya has become. At times it was quite impressive watching long balls reach their target but then there were ridiculous close interactions in and around the penalty box that caused serious defensive problems and considerable pain to me watching it unfold
I think one has to actually be at a game to understand what Raya is doing SueP.
It borders on insanity in my opinion and for what?
Nine times out of ten, he passes back to the player who gave it to him in the first place and teams have sussed him out for the lob opportunity.
Just ridiculous and a complete over play of the idea that a keeper could be part of the back four.
Ken Artetas tactics are the same week in week out and Saka cutting inside and the way Odergaard plays and the way Raya plays and the way Martinelli plays are the same, week in week out and we are getting sussed. Its so unimaginative and repetitive.
And you may have noticed, our set pieces have dried up and lost its surprise. Its the same every week and EVERYONE and his dog knows whats happening.
Ken1945,
For me it’s all very well being good with your feet as a goalkeeper, and passing out from the back has its place. But first and foremost Raya is a goalkeeper, and if he needs a clue well its in the name.
I can agree with you 100% on that Derek, but he HAS proved that he is one of the best keepers in the PL this season.
What he’s doing when we play out from the back, is just unproductive and, as we’ve seen, allowing opponents to lob goals.
Even when we attack, he’s up near the halfway line, calling for the ball!!
MA is obviously happy with this, but it’s all part of our boring sideways and backwards football at the moment.
Ken1945,
He may be a frustrated midfielder in a goalkeepers body. 🤷♂️
I think you’re right to point this out, but would just mention that we do have the best defensive record in the league still – 38% of 31 goals is about 12. It’s not great imo, and agree with pointing the finger at the coach, but just thought it worth mentioning because our excellent overall defensive record makes the percentage number stand out more than it would if our defense was weaker in general (which is why papers like to use it)
Personally, I judged this season to be over a long time ago in terms of our place in the league.
I will be judging Arteta and the team squarely on the outcome of the team in UCL.
But then, I’m worried this downward spiral is a symptom of something that might hinder our chances in the UCL.
Guys, relax, it’s just the end of season collapse we are used to.
Ken,
All the players he should have been playing this season when available.
So start, Nwaneri, Zinc, Tierney, Sterling, Setford, Bower, Can Clark, Oyedeji, and sub out 1 more later.
That way everyone could rest who needs it, including Raya,
Don’t give a rats a$$ about 2nd place, but keep the team fresh to beat Southampton thereby retaining our CL place.
Worse case scenario happened today, and was needless, start all our guys and lose.
Put those players further into the red zone physically and mentally. Just what the doctor ordered for psg.
Should have rested the side and worked on something new, like playing fast once in a while, one touch passing instead of waiting for teams to be in 2 banks for 4 and praying for some actions in the box, instead of fast breaks.
Had those two, but could not finish in the 1st game.
We shall see if the Arsenal players can defeat psg in spite of Arteta, not because of him!
Somewhat agree!!! I didn’t understand one thing Arteta did today and why.
Aaron, the problem with your suggestion is that if Arteta had done that, he would be getting the same amount of criticism that he’s getting tonight.
Fans will say (they already are in the posts here) that we have no chance in Paris and he should have concentrated on finishing second.
The team you suggest would have been crucified by Bournemouth, in my opinion and you would still have had to play some of the players MA started with anyway… plus you didn’t supply your bench and are they all registered to play in the PL?
It’s not as easy as it seems, but I’m not making excuses, just facing reality….a reality of Mikel’s making of course!!
I blame the players for not using their chance so well, they loss the lead when they have it.
Ken,
All those players were on the team sheet and registered to play, and no, he would not have. I gave you 8 names, plus one who could be subbed out on 45 minutes/split the difference with another starter. Take your pick.
Fans would have a song for Arteta if he gets them past psg, especially if the chances of success are greater cause he rested the team.
Who cares in the least that the fans complain about getting shellacked by bournemouth if the larger objective is met, is that not what the brain trust up top is for? For goodness sake.
1-2% of sharpness is the difference in top class games, and Arteta just spent 3% today..
Still say if AFC somehow get through, it is in spite of Arteta and not because of him. Not saying he is not a fantastic coach, technically, just not man management, for that he gets an F-.
Postitive note, lets smash psg!!!
Just watched the game….same old same old…..too slow in play. Like the psg game. And why would you play the same team who are to be playing on wed? Not worried about fatigue, they are paid millions and should be trained for fitness just injuries i was worried about. BUT only if mr stubborn plays the RM 1st leg tactics and team on wed. Although, the head tells me he will revert to his Bayern QF tactics.
An artera apologist here harps on about injuries and red cards…1st game against psg…should have been Myles in midfield where he played most of the game anyway and tierney LB.. Myles. IS NOT the best left back…he lost position many times SO in this game, why keep tierney on the bench? Try, Myles in mid and tierney LB. Why not bring in a youngster instead of sterling who is so completely out of form, even our reserve keeper would do a better job upfront.
The micro management doesnt work for our players, even messi would struggle under his tactics. You can literally see them think about their instructions before they attack instead of using their natural skills instincttively…martinelli, even saka. And dont get me started about Trossard starting, he is a super sub…nothing more. 90% of games he has started, we have lost points.
Like the spuds, the manager HAS to go regardless, just too stubborn.
A lot of supporters blaming Arteta but the players have been poor. Saka is not close to what he was
before the injury. Odegaard had a good first half but then went to sleep in the second. Ben White has lost any speed he had previously. The entire right hand side was ineffective !! On the other side
Martinelli still believes he can beat everyone with his pace and really needs to learn to pass when
necessary. Our goalkeeper cant tell the difference between passing out to our players and the opponants. They all need to understand that it is a 90 minuite game
Excellent review
I thought Odegaard played pretty well overall and I hope he gets let off from the usual ire. Absolutely right that White hasn’t regained his speed and Saka was less effective. Both have had serious injuries but little regard is given to how this has affected them. Partey was often excellent but then made poor errors
Arteta should have made changes earlier and Raya playing virtually on the half way line at times were squeaky bum moments as was the faffing about in close quarters in the box. Errors defensively were the difference and highly avoidable
But everything is Artetas design and constructing. And it is getting boring that every season, and every game, we ALWAYS have to find an excuse. I am sorry but the only excuse is the poor management. Its laughable that some people on hear even tried to say Bournemouth had the luxury of bringing on top substitutions and we didn’t. Well we still had 4 internationals and a precocious kid on the bench. That Arteta chose, inexplicably to wait while 5 minutes to go, to introduce.
35 games played, won 18, drawn 13, lost 4.
To many drawn games after taking the lead.
2 Home defeats, 2 Away defeats.
We’ve got Liverpool away, Newcastle at home, and then we finish away to Southampton.
How ironic that it could be that Southampton could beat us and therefore avoid being the lowest amount of points to get them relegated, record currently held by Derby County.
You can just see us going there and losing.
I think we’re very fortunate that the games are running out, I dread to think what would have happened if say there was 10 games left.
And here’s one more piece of irony for you, with all their troubles this season. There’s a strong chance that Manchester City will finish above us yet again. Now where have I seen that before. 😂🤣🙄🤦♂️👍😉
No trophy yet again🏆🤷♂️.
As I said many months ago, we are too predictable with no plan B and I feared we would not even get runners up. We are now back to being frustrating to watch with the added pain of waiting up to a minute for an attacking throw in to be taken. That said the whole seasons failings will be forgotten if we get the result needed on Wednesday COYG
We are predictable. Everything we do is predictable because we keep doing the same things, week in week out, without success. I sit there and, I know we pass it back, when there is a ball forwards, it happens too much. We know it, the opposition know it and we pass back when there is no reason. I don’t know why but someone needs to tell them, the goal is the other way. The last 10 minutes yesterday (and it has been like it a lot this season and others) we had NO desire to push forwards and TRY to get the equaliser. Now I have no time for anyone who tries to excuse that. There was nothing. It was shameful.
Let’s pray that we are going to buy 2 strikers, not 1
One centre forward is not enough as we don’t have 1 right now
yes indeed, very well said. ive been saying this forever !, we need to buy more than one striker,the more the merrier. competion is healthy within the squad. our squad is actually laughable right now.the team picks itaself each game, no competition for places. dont give me that injury list,sob,sob.if we had enough cover for each position we would not be in this stupid position.
Another potless season looms on the horizon and we get to watch one of the spuds or the mancs win a European trophy while also getting a place in the champions league, both are in the bottom half of the league, can someone please make sense of that ridiculous rule UEFA has with winning the Europa league? What a time to be a gooner, thanks “super” Mik 🙄
And look at the disastrous league campaigns both clubs have had. To finish with the EL trophy, something we’ve not managed, while we (potentially) end up with nothing will be a bloody embarrassment!
I can’t help but feel we had our ‘final’ against Real Madrid.
I can’t wait until this season is over. I won’t be tuning in next week to see that guard of honour. Gifted the league to those bellends, bet we’ll gift that game too. I’ll be surprised if we win again this season (yes even against Southampton). The players look like they’re already on holiday!
Well sometimes Sue its the clubs choice / zero rules
Often it’s when they visit your ground but I think Arsenal will
Really cheesed off with that result, especially after drawing with Palace.
Hopefully we can turn it around in Paris on Wednesday night, it might just shut up the moo moos for a while.
It darn well better, as Arteta is the one who broke all our stars-full stop!
If I am Josh, and AFC lose to psg, lose their last 3 EPL games, and finish 6th out of CL, I fire Arteta on the spot.
Very hard for us not to finish top 5
That’s all Koronke Family care about
They know some fans will defend it
Aaron, how did Mikel break all our stars ?
OMG did you not hear?
Played Saka, Gabriel, Kai, Saliba, and Martinelli into the ground, 3 had hamstring surgeries, one was close to having his surgically repaired, and Saliba broke his back.
They never get a rest, have you not been paying attention, this is in addition to knowing that they have been playing in all internationals, friendlies and cup ties.
Arteta basically plays them a full 90 no matter what, just look at Saka playing 85+ in a nothing burger game, after he just returned from surgery.
So injuries are all Arteta’s fault. Thankfully, you are not Josh.
Aaron, how do you explain liverpool’s record throughout this season with regards to injuries?
I believe they have played, basically, the same starting eleven in nearly all their matches, but haven’t suffered the same long term injuries that we have.
According to your thinking, wouldn’t they have been “played into the ground?”
Herr Drier,
What a cheap shot you had at me replying to Jax.
Your comment regarding my use of an this emoji 😉 regarding the loss of your friend. I notice you didn’t show the two other emoji’s 😢👍 that came with it.
This emoji😢 was a tear for your friend. And these two emoji’s 😉👍 was me giving you a friendly wink and a thumbs up to keep your chin up so to speak.
And at the time I wrote that you even thanked me and another poster on here who also sent you a condolence message.
No mention or criticism of my emoji back then.
So to have a cheap shot at me both does you a disservice, and cheapens a genuine message I sent you.
What a cheap shot, if you’ve got anything about you. You’ll be embarrassed by your post.🙄🤦♂️🤷♂️ I hope you approve of these emoji’s.
Derek, I was in mourning at the time for a great mate who had my back, that’s why I never replied to you at the time about the 😉 !
Herr Drier,
While I realize you were still in mourning for your friend, and I’m still sorry for your loss by the way.
There was nothing wrong with the emoji, it was just a wink as if to say chin up sort of thing.
But to then use it as a cheap shot at me regarding your post to Jax, to me shows you in a bad light to even do such a thing. Come on, surely you can see that.
You turned a genuine message of support into something that leaves a bad taste in the mouth and there was no need for you to have done that. (I’ll refrain from an emoji on this occasion, I don’t want to upset you).
Derek, he was a mate, not a friend, there’s a big difference. To me, and most of the people I know, the 😉 emoji is used when joking.
And no a mate and a friend is seen as the same by allot of people
You got no right to dictate to him what he says
You know what your doing
Very transparent and shameful to your friend / mates family
Those people obviously don’t know the difference then.
You have no right to tell me how I can react !
And you have no right to try and make someone look like he’s done something wrong just because you dont like the word friend.
Herr Drier,
It seems to me that your just being picky. That Emoji can have different meanings to different people, if that’s how you interpreted it then fine. But I certainly didn’t mean it in any bad way.
And then you say he was a mate and not a friend, there’s a difference. That maybe so, bit neither are bad teams in my book.
And although I don’t really care if you apologize to me or not, the fact that you haven’t even thought to is very sad in my opinion. I still maintain that the post you replied to regarding Jax, was still a cheap shot at my expense, and there really was no need for it.
Yeah got to say that’s quite shameful
To use a mate / friend passing to try and trip someone up ?
I think you know he meant well and was well intentioned
That’s your opinion. I’ll stick to mine, thank you very much.
Not an opinion
There is literally nothing wrong with what he said
Stick to football
Really low what you done
Really shown a bad side of you there
If you didn’t have a comprehension problem you would know I had no problem with what he wrote. The problem I had was the 😉 that he used.
Please don’t tell me what I can or can’t post, as you don’t have any authority to do so.
But then you corrected him on his use of his word friend
You don’t have the authority to do that
I do, as Frankie was a mate who had my back. I could count on him if things came on top like it did in The Arsenal Tavern back in 1976 against Everton. A friend may well have not done.
Context is everything
You know full well that Derek meant nothing but respect to you
I’ll go find what he said because it’s wrong for you to make others think he didn’t
Do what you like. I really couldn’t care less what anyone else thinks.
Then dont pick on people then because you dont like the word Friend
Yet again you are showing you have a problem with comprehension. Nowhere have I posted that I don’t like the word friend ! What I’ve told you many times that a friend and a mate are different.
Doesn’t matter
In the context he used it he’s done nothing wrong
Maybe not in your eyes.
Herr Drier,
But and terms, my bad. 🙄
SueP,
I read a post from you accusing me of dishing it out to whoever disagrees with me. What are you talking about.
While I get my point across, I don’t dish anything out to anyone as you call it.
You know certain people on here have warned me about a certain group on here who will come for me if I dare to criticize Arteta or Arsenal in anyway.
I won’t name-names, but I’ve a fare idea who they are talking about.
As its always the same ones who come for me in their little gang mentality. But keep it coming, I’m big enough and ugly enough to take it. Bring it on. 👍😉🙄
It wasn’t an accusation more like a matter of fact as far as I’m concerned Derek.
In any case, I can make up my own mind about people and so should you. Gang mentality- wow! I’ve heard it all 😊
Derek, if as you say, you’re big enough and ugly enough, why don’t you name names ?
If Derek does not I will HD ,no fcking problem …
Dan Kit,
I’ve asked you to tell me who these people are in my post below. I would appreciate it if you will in due course. Thank you in advance.
Took you that long to pick them out Derek ?😂.
Don’t listen to them ,bully’s until you bully them .
Didn’t heed the warnings and learned the hard way. I hope they won’t attribute phantom posts that you never made to discredit you. Keep standing your ground Derek, always Arsenal before an individual. A substandard one at that.
There is a reason some of us are not civil with them. We tried but got bitten in return many times before.
@Dan Kit
One of your posts above remind me of those Townsmen that come at night of the “From” series if you have seen it.
First of all, having read all the posts on here. Can I first thank you Dan, for standing my corner regards Herr Drier’s needless point scoring against me in a post to Jax.
He turned what was a genuine bit of support for his lost Mate/Friend into something cheap. How he interpreted the emoji that I sent with it has surprised me. It certainly wasn’t my intention to offend him in any way. In fact these were the three emoji’s I sent him.
😉 that was me saying chin up sort of thing, as was the 👍 thumbs up emoji. And the 😢 one was a tear for his Mate/Friend.
For him then to try to make me look bad regarding said emoji, gives me an insight to the person he is. I thought he was better than that to be honest. But again Dan, thanks for your words.
Now to the man himself Herr Drier, you ask me me to name-names, Well I think I will.
I think the ones that I have been warned about are in no particular order,
Herr Drier (himself), SueP, Jax, (the man who only weeks ago, said he was going to leave the forum until next season, and until I went back up my drain pipe as he called it). David, whom I not sure about, but as he got involved in one of the posts as raised a question mark in my mind, and finally Ken1945.
If I’ve got any of them wrong then my apologies. But having said that, if you Dan Kit can confirm any of these mentioned I would be grateful.
And if you are the ones I’ve been warned about, then I will gladly retract my apologie. 👍😉
Derek, I showed you post to some mates and the family of my mate who sadly passed away. Everyone was p**ssed of and angry about that 😉 emoji !!
Now if you don’t like me or what I post, then all you have to do is not reply to any of my posts. Simples.
Herr Drier,
I’m sorry you and some of your mates and his family were upset by the emoji, but your not looking at the intention of my post. All I was doing was giving you my condolences at the time, something you thanked me for in fact.
And there was no mention of the emoji then, until now. So I’ve been totally unaware that it upset you or your mates or his family.
But as I also said in one of my previous posts, that emoji can be construed in many different ways, the fact you and your mates and his family were offended by it, doesn’t mean I had any bad intentions when I sent said emoji. But again if I’ve offended you or your mates and his family then again I apologize. That certainly wasn’t my intention.
But I stand by my post regarding your post to Jax. There really was no need for you to have done that. You turned what was a genuine show of support from me to you in your sad time, into something cheap. And also in some ways you disrespected your own mates memory.
My intentions were never bad, but your post to Jax, was just a cheap point scoring exercise against me. Really no need for it really. If you don’t like some of my posts, then that’s fine. But don’t resort to school boy antics and trying to belittle people, who inadvertently sent you a emoji you didn’t like.
Come on, we are adults here.
The family were not upset mate / friend lol
So just to clarify
You mate ( not friend) passed away ……
And your other mates ( not friends) are grieving
So you decide you need to show them this message from a stranger on a football opinion site
And your mates ( not friends – that’s important) ….are angry over .. . An emoji lol
( Lots of grown men get angry over emojis when their mate ( not friend) has passed away )
Yet you were so angry you thanked him and carried on fine chatting about football
Keep digging dude
But there’s serious flaws in this story lol
You ain’t got a scooby about it Dan, as per usual. I showed the post last week to my mates and the family ! The widow cried !!
As for me thanking him, and you, like I said , I was in mourning for a very close and dear mate ! I didn’t really pay much attention to the emojis until later.
You keep posting mate/friend, seems to me that you’re on a wind up/taking the p*ss. You need to act your age, not your shoe size
Sorry ……
You didn’t pay much attention to the emojis till later ( mostly used by 19-29 year olds ) but as soon as you did you …….
Went to the widow of your mate ( who is not your friend ) and went …….’ there’s this stranger online ….you won’t believe what emoji he’s shown
And the widow of this person who is not your friend ( he is your mate only ) with everything else going on ……cried because ….. a stranger on a football account sent you a lovely message but put the wrong emoji ?
Anyways he’s said sorry
In future go to your actual friend’s/ mates for comfort not a football opinion site if your going to be so sensitive about emojis ( generally only person I knew you cried over an emoji was an 9 year old ) because to be fair to Derek he doesn’t know you …..your not his problem
Dan,
I think the flaw in this story is quite simple. As you say he didn’t only thank me, but continued to swap opinions with me over the following weeks.
Then on one post I said something that rattled certain poster’s on here, and in his efforts to try and belittle me in a post to Jax, he suddenly decides that my emoji offended him, his mate/mates/friend/friends/ and family, I don’t know what to call them to be honest so I’ve covered all bases.
But to be honest, I’ve done all the apologizing I’m going to do regarding emoji-gate.
And in future, I’m going to think twice about sending any messages of support or condolences to any poster’s who have lost anyone. What a sad state of affairs, an innocent post can be turned into something cheap. It’s beyond me to be honest. 😉👍 Dan, I hope my emoji’s have not offended you. 😂🙄🤦♂️🤷♂️
And when he finally did realize the emoji ( days later apparently – because we all think days later about the emojis when our friend/ mate dies ) you run to his widow ( who has enough to worry about ) to show her ?
If my friend / mate died and someone came to me with that I would be like ‘ why are you showing me an emoji from a stranger ?’
You did well to apologize mate ….sorry friend ….I don’t know lol
Dan,
😂😉😉👍
So to clarify are these mates his friends ?
If they are not your friends can you have a mate who is not my friend ?
I have a best mate ? But is he my best friend ?
I have friends who call me mate ?
The buss driver says cheers mate ?
I’m so confused ……I need to check some things
That’s okay mate
I will keep in about football now but didn’t want you to think I was ignoring you
Most people know why you mean by the word friend lol
If a police officer asked were you friends and you said no and were caught not telling the truth
You couldn’t say ……we were not friends ….we were mates
Anyways back to football
That proves you ain’t got a scooby about the difference between a mate and a friend !
Nobody does lol !!!!!
Derek
I have never been deliberately rude to you, but I do have a difference of opinion with you regarding Arteta and his worth as our manager. I express those for as you express your views against him. I suggested that you should make your own decisions on who you interact with as I do. How ironic that you have called me out for what exactly? Dishing it out? Well… you do. Regularly slating Arteta and Odegaard just in case we’ve all got amnesia. It’s hardly bullying or an act of cruelty.
I don’t align myself with anybody in particular but generally it’s easier to communicate with people who have similar- not always the same – opinions. You do exactly the same but I’m not accusing of anything at all – apart from a poor showing in a post about wanting Arsenal to lose.
Thank you for including me in such an illustrious group of individuals…. many of whom I disagree with by the way, but that’s by the by.
I have not got involved with you and HD over the use of emoji’s as that’s between you and him.
Let’s get back to the fact that you think I’m a “bully” who needs to be kept an eye on… what a complete load of BS!!
I’ve been on JA for many years, never been suspended (along with every other site I’ve passed comments on).
Not only that, I’ve defended HH, DK along with SueP, David and Dan at different times, as well as disagreeing with them and that goes for Herr Dryer as well.
In fact, I’ve had some interesting back and forward conversations with you as well!!
The fact that you stated you were happy for The Arsenal to actually lose the semi final of the Champions League if it meant Mikel Arteta getting the sack, was a complete no no for me and I said so.
If your so unhappy about being “bullied” by fellow Arsenal fans, then can I suggest you think about the responses your going to get?
Meanwhile, I’ll refrain from reacting to any further posts from you and if anyone else thinks I’m a “bully” let me know and I’ll do the same.
To quote Ken from Toy Story 3 …..
‘ Sunnyside Can Be Cool And Groovy If We All Get Along ‘
( As in Ken and Barbie …..not our friend Ken … Sorry mate ….friend ….I don’t know anymore lol
😉)
To be fair Ken, I don’t think Derek himself mentioned being bullied. That came from the shite stirring Dan Kit.
I find Derek OK most of the time, but resent the pleasure he gets out of Arsenal losing, and I’ve perhaps been a bit OTT in my regular criticism of him.
That’s true Derek.
I have been on this site for 5 or 6 years and Ken is probably the most respected and respectful member of JA family. Best writer too surpassed only by Dan Smith.
He is also fair and won’t stay quite when he see someone is unfairly treated. He is Arsenal true supporter who still attend games but won’t flaunt it like some and will converse and debate with everyone regardless of their nationality, religion, age, intelligence etc.
First time I have seen Jax get personal also. Based on my previous experience of being ganged up on (Dan Kit, Ken and Dan Smith came to my aid many times even though we disagree on many topics). Ken even defended me against the admin from getting banned.
The ones who ganged on me were SueP, David, Herr Drier, Neutral, Arsenal1886, David, TMJW with his many accounts and probably I have forgotten some.
Best writer too surpassed only by Dan Smith.
I’ll pay for that lol
Just HH ‘s opinion Dan – he could be wrong!! 🤔😂😂
I promise you he is lol …..now about those emojis 🤣
HH,
The names you give are interesting. Thank you for the heads up. 👍
Ken1945,
As I’ve said in my post, I apologize if I’m wrong about the group that’s on my post.
In one of his post’s Dan Kit, said that he would say who the people were that he was talking about, and encouraged me to name-names. Well I’m still waiting for him to name them.
If there’s any on there that shouldn’t be, then I will definitely apologize with out delay.
Herr Drier also encouraged me to name-names. Although with the way he twisted the emoji fiasco, I don’t have much time for him to be honest. How he could turn something so innocent into him being offended by an emoji is completely baffling to me to be honest.
Having read a post from HH, actually showing you respect and saying that your well respected on this forum, I to hope that your not one of the people that’s being talked about. I would offer you an apology to in due course.
I’m not a person who will get personal with anyone just because we have a difference of opinion. I may have done on the odd occasion, and if I have I apologize straight away.
That where Admin Pat was so good, sometimes I would step out of line and he would give me gentle reminders from time to time. So sometimes when I’m on the borderline, I think of what he would say, and more often than not I behave myself.😂
By the way, as Jax has pointed out, I’ve not called you or anyone else a bully, nor would I. That’s not my style.
So you named people on here, but your not sure if they should be there in the first place?
That doesn’t make sense and what DK’s list has to do with it, is something else that is perplexing.
I think I’ll just carry on giving my own views to fellow Arsenal fans who might see things differently, but don’t see a them and us scenario.
I should have said that I agree with you regarding Pat.
Martin has let this unfold in a way that has allowed each aggrieved party to respond and that’s also good for the future.
Arteta runs everyone into the ground, it is proven in the kilometers run by every team, AFC are first.
Our backs, and everyone else are sprinting more than any other teams due to the way we play.
50 game season with rotation, of thereof, and injuries decrease.
pool allow Salah to not track back, psg, inter, and barca, rested all their players in their games, and still some teams won.
Do the math, watch the players and you will see why they break!
OK, closing this, I think a lot has been said, some of it close to the bone, some of it childish, some of it thought-provoking, and a lot of it unnecessary.
I have refrained from getting involved, but there is a line, and on a couple of occasions, that line was nearly crossed.
Please try to get along with each other.