So it is time to address the elephant in the room. That letter posted through the door, the one you know is a bill, that you put in the drawer and told yourself you will deal with when you absolutely must. Well, the deadline is this Wednesday. It is time to confront it.
Not everyone feels comfortable talking about their grief, but it is important to acknowledge it.
This week, Tottenham face Manchester United in the Europa League Final with a golden opportunity to end their 17-year wait for a trophy. Worse still, the winners will earn a place in the Champions League, despite currently sitting 16th and 17th in the Premier League.
Tottenham are 31 points behind Arsenal in the table, yet could end up with silverware and the same reward as the team finishing second domestically.
Make no mistake, we will never hear the end of it.
If Spurs win, the summer could get long
Our neighbours are waiting patiently to make their noise. They are keeping quiet for now, not wanting to jinx anything, and because they know how ridiculous their season looks if they fail in Spain. But if they are successful in Bilbao, this becomes a long summer for Arsenal fans. Some Gooners may need to take their medicine.
I warned fellow supporters earlier this season that some of the arrogance being displayed would come back to bite. When your club is known for collapsing under pressure, perhaps it is unwise to mock Real Madrid, who have won seven La Liga titles and six Champions Leagues since our last domestic crown.
Yes, a section of our fanbase might need humbling.
But equally, Spurs fans rarely enjoy bragging rights. Many who go to the Lane have grown up with nothing to show but a couple of League Cups. They are not going to take the chance to lift a European trophy lightly. If they cannot enjoy that moment, then when can they?
Part of their celebration will include rubbing our faces in the mud, kicking us while we are down, and reminding us at every opportunity that they are joining us at UEFA’s top table.
Still, banter has to make sense.
Some YouTubers, desperate for clicks, sacrifice football IQ for weak humour. One Arsenal fan was recently given a ‘participation trophy’ in jest for always finishing second. The only problem? The presenter was a Spurs fan. That irony kills the punchline.
Another Spurs supporter joined PSG ultras in celebrating after Arsenal’s Champions League exit, buying their shirt, going to the Emirates, and marching with them. In isolation, it is creative. In reality, it is a rival fan mocking a team for losing in a competition their own club failed to qualify for. Instead of laughing, I focus on the staggering lack of self-awareness.
And to be clear, Gooners can be guilty of the same. If Arsenal go missing on the big stage, mocking Real Madrid does not land. And if Spurs have built a reputation for failing to finish the job, they are hardly qualified to mock others.
Who had the better season, really?
Which leads to a fair question, if Spurs win midweek, who had the better season?
If that sounds ridiculous, brace yourself, because our rivals will bang that drum all summer. One of them might even be Ange Postecoglou. For so long, the Australian came across as a decent bloke, but his recent comments since the semi-final have been unusual.
There is a difference between being better and being successful. Spurs now have the chance to create lifelong memories. If they win, they will become immortalised. Fans will look back on 2025 as the year, montages will be replayed forever, stories passed on to children and grandchildren.
Is that not why we follow sport?
Whether you believe the past 12 months have been progression or regression, no one will talk decades from now about when Arsenal finished second. If we are not providing a bus parade through North London in May, that says more about our failings than Spurs lifting a trophy we were not eligible for, because we play at a higher level.
I am not going to abandon common sense just to suit the narrative.
A cup win can paper over some cracks, but finishing 17th in the Premier League while celebrating a trophy is like putting a plaster on a deep wound. This is why Ange might still lose his job regardless of what happens at the Estádio San Mamés.
It is fascinating how both managers view the final. Ruben Amorim has made it clear that United finishing 16th is unacceptable. Spurs, on the other hand, are already in Bilbao a day earlier than usual. United will not even leave England until the day of the game.
Spurs have a street parade planned for Friday. United will celebrate with a barbecue at their training ground.
You do not hear many United fans planning to taunt City supporters if they win the final, they are too embarrassed by their league form.
One club plans to savour the moment. The other will simply breathe a sigh of relief.
If I were a fan of either, I know which stance I would rather my club take.
Roy Keane, a man who understands winning, is clear that losing every week while relying on a cup for salvation is a dangerous mindset. He is not alone. Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Juventus, the Milan clubs, they would not gloat over lifting UEFA’s second-tier trophy while sitting in the bottom five of their league. These clubs draw a line they do not allow themselves to fall below.
That is perhaps the only thing Arsenal and Spurs have in common, yet it is a crucial one.
At Arsenal, the Kroenke family have supporters believing that after 21 years without a title, simply qualifying for the Champions League is acceptable. At Spurs, Daniel Levy has starved the fanbase to the point they will gladly tolerate 17th in exchange for silverware, and not even the best kind.
So, for the sake of avoiding a summer-long headache, we find ourselves in the unthinkable position.
On 21st May, we are all supporting Manchester United!
Dan Smith
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In the unlikely event of Spurs beating United, I wouldn’t expect anything less than having them point out that they’ve won a trophy that we’ve failed in. The fact that they’re just above the relegation zone would go unnoticed for a while, and I still expect Ange to be sacked. Not had a decent manager (other than Poch) in many, many years.
I’ll take United 3-1
Fingers crossed mate
@Jax
Didn’t Jose Mourinho manage them after Pochetino
It’ll be painful seeing them win a trophy, especially a European one, but they’ve they had such an easy run. And because of how bad they have been in the league all season, they could purely focus on Europe.
Make no mistake, Utd and Spurs have been shockingly bad, and I’d rather be in our situation.
The noise should sound as a sharp reminder, be careful how we demand the gaffer’s head on a pole.
Not so long ago Spuds was playing beautiful football, reaching the champions league finals, but fans of the younger generations wanted more and so too their shrewd business owner.
So then Argentina manager paid the ultimate price, now look where they are on the table.
Swapping monkey for black dog is a cardinal sin
The difference is that in Pochetino’s five years, he had a net spend of £105m.
He wasn’t backed in the transfer market anywhere close to what Arteta has had. Yet he reached the Champions League final and always finished in the top four – bar his first season. This is despite the club’s blindingly obvious lack of transfers.
After that final, he literally begged Levy to refresh the squad as it has reached its peak and will only decline but levy refused. Arteta on the other hand is set to receive probably his largest war chest this summer after six years and you’re comparing the two.
And before we get all worried about what their fans would say, shouldn’t we be more worried about what our own fans would say about Arteta and the abuse he will inevitably receive from us?
I still prefer Spurs winning in Bilbao.
Welcome back dgr8xt from wonderland, Herd Bill the lizard wasn’t too happy with your sudden departure 🙂
Of course, the two are compared, as Spurs exemplified what can happen if general improvement is taken for granted. Pochettino is a very talented manager in his own right but was unfairly given a “nearly man” tag. It is worth noting that some Arsenal fans argued for him to come to Arsenal not too long ago.
You need a good manager and the right backing to be competitive and successful.
I argued for us to appoint Poch before and when we sacked Emery back then. I rated him and thought that if given enough time and backing he would have made us a competitive outfit once again.
But we went for Emery then Arteta instead.
@Goonster
Had Unai been given more time and backing you mean…
I’m only arguing that Poch had dae less backing and patience than Arteta has had and yet reached the CL final while finishing in the top four consistently. One season when their top four status looked remotely threatened and Levy foolishly sacked him. They’ve continually gone backwards ever since. He’s got more to brag about than Arteta.
I think Arteta should be given next season only. Truth is that there have been improvements in our seasonal goal performances for 3 straight years now albeit quite little. He needs to go more
Poch had/has very good qualities. The time and patience for Arteta came on the back of AW and Emery, the former providing immense stability and trophies and another winner in Emery, where the mixed last 2 years of Wenger combined with UE not getting 4th as expected, imo, allowed them to try Arteta especially as dressing room was in disarray and patience plus backing was absolutely essential. The Board also got shaken up and improved their performance. Arsenal are not serial sackers and the Spurs revolving door method hasn’t really worked.
Arteta, as you say, will have to have a better season for his job to be secure but it’s likely the Board would let him see out his contract as long as top4 is reached. I do believe next season will define Arteta’s long term suitability to be the winner that we all want him to be
I just find the fans that can’t stop going on about how other managers would have done better than Arteta had they been given the time and backing.
They think that time and backing is what defines a good manager. What they can’t seem to grasp is that every manager is different and can thrives in certain situations.
Things such as:
1) A manager’s personality / attitude,
2) Being competent as an individual.
3) A bit of luck,
4) Being in the right place at the right time.
5) Being able to built that confidence (positive relationship) with the owners and fan.
6) Being backed by the owners etc..
Any manager has to earn that trust with the owners and fans before any thing.
@Goonster
“I argued for us to appoint Poch before and after we sacked Emery back then. I rated him and thought that given enough time and backing he would have made us a competitive outfit once again” These are your words. So, which is it?🤔
Which dressing room was in disarray? Don’t give Arteta credit for things that were non existent. The team was not playing well but to say dressing room was in disarray is a lie. Please give examples of the problems we had in the dressing room.
@Simba
The dressing room was in disarray as far as I was concerned so don’t say it’s a lie. It was well documented that Emery had largely lost the dressing room – even I could see it. Ozil’s body language in Baku. Players waving their arms about, blaming everyone else on the pitch but themselves. You describe the team as not playing well but fail to consider that the manager may have had something to do with it, bearing in mind Arsenal were looking decidedly dodgy in mid table. Why did the Board sack him then?
Sorry but you are not really comparing like with like. We’ve all lived through the last few years so I often wonder why people ignore so many different issues and contexts. There are two things I will mention for now.
MC had yet to become the fully fledged monster of the last few years when Poch was manager at Spurs. Liverpool were also just evolving into one of the best teams in Europe.
It is worth noting that both Spurs and Liverpool benefited from selling single players for astronomical fees which is part of what helped their relatively low “headline” net spends. MC had spent a decade hoovering up some of the best talent around.
There were other external factors and other outcomes which people ignore when making these types of comparisons. So whilst Poch should be respected for what he did at Spurs I disagree that he’s “got more to brag about”.
I have taken the time out and read all the postings above, but am hastening to say Mikel Arteta’s and the Argentinan are very similar in terms of their achievements or none achievements, and amount of games manage, Ironically the Spaniard and the Argentinan had never squared off face to face as one left a few weeks before the other took charge,
Yes Arteta would not have lost a season in charge at the cemetery of talents, but as a poster wisely stated, Arsenal is not a serial sacker.
Like Pochettino, Arteta has had a transformative effect at our club, rebuilding the team and turning us into a side that regularly finishes into the top four.
So no need to cherry pick the facts are there, but Spuds noise should serve as a stark reminder, be careful we SWAPP BLACK DOG FOR MONKEY.
@Gunsmoke
You mean Pochetino while at Chelsea didn’t face Arsenal and his former PSG teammate, Arteta
A reasonable article Dan, though I would point out the standard barb from Arsenal fans even when Spurs where doing well under Poch was “show us your trophy cabinet” For Arsenal under Arteta read Spurs under Poch. Two very good teams, with young players, being involved in title races but not winning the major trophies. (Fa Cup excluded)
So If Spurs do win tomorrow I think there will be justified gloating, however atrocious the league form has been.
The question you asked should we care? Answer – No
What a week we have to endure
Spuds and manure fighting it out for a trophy
Chelski in a final.
Of course I am jealous
Will the spuds or manure had a better season then us
Hard one to answer but probably yes as they would have have lifted a trophy, and we are trophyless
Would I rather be in their position then our
In this moment in time, yes, but going forward, absolutely not
If some of you think which I know some do that we have internal problems then these two from top to down are absolutely shocking. It will take a miracle a billion plus to get them near the top 4 again
I will be switching off the the tv for the next two days and hope this week ends quickly
Supporting manure is the best of to evils
I find it rather curious that an Arsenal fan is jealous of teams competing for lesser trophies.
They’re competing for these trophies because they weren’t good enough to get into the CL!
Sure, if Spurs win they’ll make noise about winning a trophy. That’s because they haven’t won anything of significance in decades.
David
It’s about the final build up
The expectations
The butterfly feelings
The whole excitement
The atmosphere
Forget about what grade of cup it is
Last time out we got absolutely demolished, but before that, we had a moment in time we savoured
That’s what I am jealous out
Hope that helps you understand a bit more
They only got into those competitions because they failed in the Premier League – they are consolation cups for losers. Micky Mouse trophy’s for clubs of that size, and the ambition they should have. No one dropped into it from new CL this season, this seemed to make it easy for Prem sides, devaluing any win in the competition still further now it cannot be compared to previous years.
It’s the undeserved un-earned pass into the CL that is the issue here.
The best result for Arsenal is a Spuds win, denying the manure CL football and bonus £100M of transfer spending power. If Spuds get the £100M they will blow it on more second rate players and bad results in group stage, taking them nowhere, not hi-jacking our deals as manure could. Everyone knew Maddison had a closet full of sick notes, yet they still signed him.
Spuds beat manure. It’s Athletic Bilbao and Bodø/Glimt should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
Manure can forget about bidding for Gyokeres now.
@Moon Girl
Wow! You’re just oozing great sportsmanship…🤔
The worst part will be getting the gloating WhatsApp messages from a long time Spuds fan if they win. I’ll just have to be gracious if the unbearable happens. 🤬🤬
Dan and I had a discussion about the virtues of a team finishing so low down the league being able to get a CL place. He rightly pointed out that is what we were aiming for in Baku , a CL place.
Some years back and I can’t remember which team it was, won the CL and because of a lower league finish that season were unable to defend their trophy.
It seems fundamentally wrong for any team that finishes outside the normal band of 4 teams can then be allowed to play in the CL rather than have the right to defend the trophy they won, particularly so, when both Spurs and Utd have scores that could have resulted in relegation in years gone by.
Bah humbug on my part but for the teams battling it out on Sunday to get a CL place the pressure will be immense
Maybe the other way I think Sue
Spurs finished 4th but couldn’t qualify because Chelsea actually won the thing
UEFA have since changed the rule that both would now qualify In that situation
They also had to the year Liverpool won in 05 announce ahead of the Final that they would qualify if they won trophy as it was unprecedented at that point for a winner to be so bad in their own league lol
Thanks for clarifying. As much as I detest Spurs, it was wrong to omit them and then, equally wrong for Chelsea not to defend their trophy
I’ve always thought they should only allow the league winners and previous champions League winners into that competition. That would allow champions from smaller leagues to participate more and deeper into the competition – initially I expect it would be a bit strange with the biggest teams winning too easily in the early stages, but over time it would make clubs from the smaller leagues more attractive for players, and you’d end up with a more even spread of money and talent across Europe.
The way it’s set up now is simply to consolidate almost all of the money and talent in Spain, England, Germany and Italy – it’s somewhat corrupt in my view, and completely at odds with the spirit of competition. But no one cares because we get to see “super teams”.
I suppose the biggest counter argument is that the big teams will push harder to make their breakaway super league, but imo that’s just giving in to that corruption.
Davi, top post and I completely agree with you. Gone are the days when we see the likes of Bruges and Malmö get to the Final of Europes top competition.
Many years ago I read that it was Real Madrid and AC Milan who were the instigators of the CL, all because their teams were getting knocked out in the early rounds of the European Cup. Whether that’s true 🤷.
It depends on how you look it. We definitely had a better season overall even if it was poor in general for the standards now expect.
It’s the same as last season when Man United won the League Cup. Many said that Man United had a better season than us even of they finished in 8th and more than 20 points behind us..
This season Spurs and Man United both have an opportunity to win a trophy but they are 16th and 17th in the league table with less than 40 points each.
I wouldn’t be comfortable being a Man United or a Spurs fan in this moment.
It reminds me of the 2019/2020 when we won the FA CUP but were firmly rolling about in mid table. You enjoy that little moment but then reality kicks in.
It’s a bit like having a one night stand and waking up the next day stressing about pregnancy and worrying about STD’s.. 😊😊
Exactly!
And imagine if that one night stand turned out to be a Spurs supporter. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂👍
That’s what I would call “Killing Two birds with one stone”. 😊
Goonster, simple really, just wear a condom.
Immature / premature excitement.
Those were my youthful days. But they are long gone. 😊
Fair play Goonster 😂.
To be honest, it would sting if either of Spurs or Man Utd wins the UEL because they have been our rivals for so long and we often banter each other. Spurs or United who have both had a season to forget in the premier league, now playing as finalists in the UEL is largely due to changes in this season’s format where football teams that failed to make the round of 16 in the UCL are no longer allowed to continue in the UEL, thus giving the original participants of the UEL a great opportunity to win silverware.
Either team that wins would most likely still mock Arsenal because we also had the opportunity to win the same UEL twice in recent times (the final with Emery and the semifinal with Arteta) and failed in both occasions.
Our form in the domestic cups has also been poor.
The lesson for us is to be much better
in cup competitions and aim to win them even as we continue in our quest for the EPL and/or UCL.
To me Arteta’s poor cup record so far is such a worry.
My view as an Arsenal fan who is not from England.
Where I’m from we have no Tottenham fan here so if they win there will be no direct noise.
I can understand how it is with this situation as an England gunner, so it’s normal to prefer Man Utd to win.
I personally want Tottenham to win though so the Man Utd fans around me won’t mock me and enjoy their glory.
Whoever wins does not really matter to us.
What matters is Kroenke providing lots of money and Berta and Arteta signing good quality players especially in Attack.
I will know if we will win any silverware on the 1st of September when the summer transfer window closes.
Same in my country of birth. Nobody hates Spurs. Nobody cares at all about them. We are even Spurs fans wherever they play Man utd who is our mortal enemy.
Half the population is Arsenal and half is Man utd with odd Liverpool, Newcastle, and Chelsea here and there.
Exactly! African and Asian gooners will agree with this. I think the rivalry starts and ends in the UK.
Vamos, the rivalry between our two clubs also exsists in continental Europe.
For me I want United to win it purely on the opposition they face nothing more.
If Spurs win the Europa Cup, and Chelsea win their European final, they along with West Ham and Crystal Palace will all be able to say that they’ve won a trophy more recently than us. That’s 4 London clubs, and then we’d be in a race to make sure Fulham wouldn’t make it 5.🤣😂👍😉
CoYS! In my locality we Arsenal supporters hate Man Utd bitterly so are they. They’ve not yet stopped laughing at our loss v PSG
So we want Spurs to triumph. Spurs win will shame Arsenal owners and force them to spend more. This is the season trophy drought is broken by multiple clubs. Spurs fans blaring their horns across NL is what I wish on Wednesday night depriving the other side quite sleep. For us Spurs are like UN peace keepers against the Utd commotion. CoYS!
I have to say i am among the group that is so dissatisfied with what is happening at Arsenal.For a long time now this guys care less about how the fans feel as long as the team is making money for them.I don’t understand how some people are contented with this second finishes season after season. The ultimate joy for the fans at the end of the season is lifting that trophy. Great teams have been classified based on what they have won because history remembers winners. Players switch teams in search of silverware because that’s what defines their careers. I wouldn’t be surprised to find an article on J.A on how we had a better season than whoever will win the champions league because we beat real Madrid.Its just laughable.
Anyway,let me brace my self for the attacks from the spuds as they will surely hurt.
So what do you want the Kroenke’s to do. They have spent a lot of money since they became the sole owners or our club (Arsenal). We have made losses since covid but The Kroenke’s have kept investing massively in our team.
I just don’t get it. One one hand some notable fans kept keep going on about how Arteta has spent nearly a £1 billion since he joined.
An owner can’t spend / invest the supposed £1 billion that he has given Arteta so far and then turn around saying the club just wants to make CL and make them money. 🤔
Or may be we should get rid of Arteta and hire the likes of Ten Hag, Ange, Amorim, Howe, Maresca, Glasner etc as they seem to know how to win trophies.
🤞🤞🙏
@ Cliff
Very well stated Gooner 👏🏾
I’d prefer United winning tbh
Spurs would be too painful
United have already won a few Champions League, Several Premier leagues, loads of FA Cups.
Spurs winning a trophy we haven’t won and going to Champions League will be tough to experience because we are huge rivals and a lot of dislike between our fans
I won’t lose a sleep seeing “spurs winning a trophy we haven’t won” as long as it’s the uel,championship,league one or any other below top tier competition.
To answer the question posed….No, niet, nein.
Hate the vermin from N17 with every sinew in my body, and I wouldn’t want them to even win a corner or the toss of the coin.
As much as it hurts, I hope the Mancs win it.
I’m supporting none of them, I couldn’t care less who’s victorious in a second tier competition we thankfully and privileged enough not to be part of. I’m pleased with our season compared to theirs. Banked enough in the pl and UCL (competitions that matters along with fa cup) to invest in summer and hopefully propel us forward. A privilege they can’t boast of.
So you’re one of those fans troubling this club by being okay that we’re trophyless. I will fight you if I catch you. Drop your address 😡
dgr8xt,
Calm down, there’s no need to be so aggressive. Or am I reading your post wrong. Apologies in advance if I am.
You’re not reading wrongly. I’m ready to fight him if only he will drop his address.
dgr8xt,
Two questions, who is the poster that your angry with?, and why are you so angry?.
DEREK, why won’t you behave yourself on the thread ,😯
Gunsmoke,
What are you on about, I was just asking dgr8xt a couple of questions. And dgr8xt answered them, with no animosity against me.
Where am I misbehaving on this thread, please enlighten me. 👍
Because of this quote from his comment
“I’m pleased with our season compared to theirs. Banked enough in the pl and UCL (competitions that matters along with fa cup) to invest in summer and hopefully propel us forward”
And because of this you want to fight him lol ?
Why care about someone opinion ?
You’d be left wondering. 🤔
What on earth can you find in that comment to offend you so much that you want to fight him? I’d hate to be standing next to you at a match, I’d fear for my safety😱
As if anyone is going to post their address on here 🙄
Exactly. lol
Funny how you couldn’t even comprehend my post. The key word being “compared”. Which indicates comparison between our season and both Europa league finalists.
Don’t worry about it Vamos. I doubt that we’ll be seeing the troll with no name again on Just Arsenal.
Don’t worry Jax. You’ll be seeing more of me going forward. I’m sure the Admin clearly sees the “fight” for what it is – an obvious joke aimed at nothing but humour towards a fellow gunner. You on the other hand do not.
Well done👏. You compleetly fooled everyone, including your target.
…completely.
Looking forward to more of your “humour”😏.
@Vamos
Sad you see the Europa League as a second tier trophy, when many of Europes very experienced teams compete in it. Every trophy is an accomplishment. Wish we had won it. But then again, I guess that makes us less than a “second tier”club since we haven’t. Just saying…
Man United all the way. It is a sad state of affairs that we found ourselves in at the moment but Man United to win. All our own doing (Arteta and his players).
But can’t be having those spurs parrots gloating in my face.
I can understand why some fans are feeling jittery but so what? They will make noise for a day and then it will all be gone. Must we all wait for a trophy of mediocrity? It is like a team in the Premier league being mocked by the winner of the Championship trophy? These are different classes and must be recognised as such. So, fellow gooners let’s just brace ourselves for a few days of noise after which the reality would dawn on them and they realise how miserable their EPL season was. We can also have posters with their miserable league position as a retaliatory measure. Let it be tit for tat.
It won’t be a day lol
@David Rusa
That so called “mediocre” trophy is forever, same as if we had won it. So respect it for what it is. Respect should also be given to Spurs, regardless of your opinion of them. Because if you respect the game, though must you respect every aspect of it. Just sayin.,,
From my side I prefer Spurs to win because I can’t stand man Utd fans. I care less if Tottenham or Chelsea should win Europa or conference leagues but it’s a no no for Man Utd.
If Spurs win, they also win the bragging right to be Pride of NL. They suffered too much injuries even worse than Arsenal esp goalie and defenders. Arteta for sure wants Utd to win it lest Spurs’ achievement esp on their worst season should embarrass him and make his injury excuses invalid. Open bus Spurs parade in front of Arteta’s house. Chelsea bus on the left flank after winning Conf. League which was won a year ago by West Ham. Palace with FA Cup. Every London team from all angles celebrating except Arteta’s Arsenal.
You should do a bit of research before commenting. Spurs HAVE NOT suffered more injuries this season than Arsenal. That is just an excuse their supporters pedalled to justify their appalling form. Arsenal are top of the PL injury table this season both in terms of number of injuries and in terms of days missed due to injury. And it isn’t particularly close.
Scrubbychubby,
Well at least we’re top of something. I suppose that’ll have to do.😂🤣👍😉
And here’s our injury top trophy.🏆👏
Thanks Derek for the humour though bittersweet. Previously Arsenal undisputedly holds the first position when all teams are put alphabetically. Even we lost this title after the advent of Bournemouth from the Championship as they have the prefix in AFC which makes them top of the league when EPL kicks off in August.
I’ve got a few spurs supporting friends who will try to rip it out of me when they likely win tomorrow and I will congratulate them but at the same time suggest they should be somewhat embarrassed to be giving it large.
As for giving it large, this dgr8xt idiot should just be completely ignored, don’t answer, converse, debate or even acknowledge him (or her), because being a keyboard warrior hiding behind the anonymity of of a phone is just an attention seeking coward who would basically mess his (or her) pants if met face to face!
You just called me an idiot. Seems the person above I “want to fight” knew very well it was a mild joke but you couldn’t decode.
Says a lot about your level of comprehension.
LOL, so having thought about your crass, bullying language, you’re trying to retrieve your embarrassment by saying you were joking. I’m disappointed that Admins haven’t binned you off!
Another idiot who wants fellow fans banned ,went over your head it seems .
Fans like you cringe me out ,tbh you’re not alone .
Terrible rule that the winners get champions league football, it’s like winning two trophies, very unfair. UEFA need to change that rule and the winner should only get champions league if they finish in the champions league places in their domestic league.
The idea is to make it more competitive and keep clubs serious
My view has been that the winner if falling outside the usual CL places should have the opportunity to defend their trophy.
Spurs are winning – 17th in the league against 16th Whichever team it is that finishes just outside the CL criteria should feel rightly disappointed
I don’t mind who wins.
For those teams, I think winning the competition would still be so tainted, even for most fans. Had they finished in the top 6, or even in the top half of the league and then won the Europa cup, I think it would be easier to gloat, but finishing so ridiculously low in the premier League makes it difficult to come away from the season with any *real* pride imo.
I’d rather finish second and not win anything – even though it’s not pleasing either.
The real disappointment for me would be if we finished level on points with city – it seems very unlikely, but it shouldn’t even be this close after the season they’ve had
The only reward we have for finishing above them is the difference in prize money which in today’s market is very small.
The winner will get exactly what we get – a place in Europe’s elite competition which comes with several benefits.
We have no European pedigree else I think we would have been in the club world cup
You forgot the part where UCL semifinalists get way more a uel winning could manage. That also a significant boost.
The reality is that Spurs have very little European pedigree. Two teams fighting out a 1-0 to Spurs against an equally poor Utd, both could easily have been relegated had the 3 clubs coming up from the Championship not managed to have such feeble points accrued.
I am waiting for the gloating messages……
@Davi
I don’t understand how people are trying to degrade the significance of the trophy, simply on the strength of who won it. Their table position has zero bearing on them winning the trophy. A long as they weren’t relegated, no shadow is cast over the team or the competition.
I’d like to see some big changes to the European competitions but I doubt it’ll change, I’d go with only the champions go into the champions league, then 2nd to 5th go Europa league and FA cup winner gets Europa league with league cup winner getting conference league. What do you guys think? Dave for head of UEFA? 😀
Dave,
I would like it to go back to the way it used to be. But of course it won’t, because all the big boys want their piece of the pie. And if that means coming out with all these group stage games, as well as the knock out stages then so be it.
Sad to be honest, but money talks as they say. 🤦♂️
Agree DEREK but I think if they spread out the top clubs across all three competitions it would make them all worth watching, I haven’t seen not one conference league game and only a handful of Europa league games this season, both of them are full of dross, especially the Spuds and United! 😀
Dave,
I hear what your saying about spreading it across all three competitions.
But you know as well as I do that the big boys wouldn’t allow it, and what the big boys want they usually get unfortunately.
It’s all about the money. 🤷♂️
Michelle, I think this final is about the equivalent of the League 1 play offs final – in fact the play off final is being played at Wembley (I think) so it’s more important. I always remember Bill Shankly being asked what he thought of the Inter Cities Fairs Cup and he replied “I don’t know. We’ve never finished that low”.
As much as I dislike ManU I’d much rather have them win than Spurs
The logic is that they are already more successful than us in recent years despite all the crowing from the Arsenal fans, we are a joke even to ManU fans and thats saying a lot.
If Spurs witn than ManU and Spurs are both more successful than Arsenal in the last 3 years
Injuries happening simultaneously and happening at different times have vast consequential outcomes. Spurs lost its goalie and all its defenders within the same span of time. For instance Vicario, Udogie, Van de Ven and Romero were not playing when they lost 1-0 v Arsenal. Imagine what would happen to Arsenal if Raya Timber Saliba and Maghales were injured simultaneously. This I think is the difference between the two facets of injuries. Thanks mate for your reflection.
If Spurs win today they have definitely achieved better than us as they have something to show from their season. Why do we glorify being runner up like its a trophy. Who remembers all the World Cup runner ups. Not many care because it’s not the ultimate price. If Arteta is successful because he was runner up after spending close to a billion then we are definitely deluded. We should not glorify being second best after bottling jobs. The club should have at least a Premier league trophy to show for the past three seasons. I would definitely take a Europa trophy and place in the champions league than a self glorified second place.
I remember one of the greatest teams never to have won the WC, finishing runners up three times, The Netherlands and had Cruyff in one of them, only one team can win a trophy, not a fan of glory hunters, I love the game for good or worse
foreverinourshadows,
I would hardly call waiting 21 years for a League Title being glory hunters. 🙄🤦♂️
Yeah I never get that
If we were glory hunters the Koronke Family wouldn’t make the money they make off us
And there it is….
ManU and Spurs both more successful that us in the last half a decade.
Embarrasing!
I wonder if either of them would have won the Europa League if the old system was still in place where CL teams dropped out into the EL.
I doubt it to be honest Sue
Im still on the fence if its a good or a bad thing. I do think it’s more fair in the new system where teams that qualify for UCL should only play in the UCL, there’s a reason they didn’t qualify for the Europa League in the first place. In future it will hopefully allow other teams a genuine chance at with a European trophy.
But that game was dire, the BBC comments are quite amusing. Time to go to bed and get some rest because tomorrow is going to be a looooong day!
PJ-SA
The old system was clearly wrong. Your position in the league should define which competition you compete in the following season
To be allowed to leapfrog up to the CL is equally wrong. Considering where Spurs (and Utd too) finished in the league, the best they could hope for was to defend the trophy they won.
No kidding, it will be a long day of smug Spuds supporters giving it large.
Spurs have won a European trophy with probably their worst side in 60 odd years and will mock us for years to come or until we at least win the league. Sad night for me after a bad season
Considering am just coming from a night out celebrating spurs win and enjoying spiting manure fans …… The Irony 😭😁
Sorry, where I come from there’s no Arsenal – spurs rivalry…. Never seen a spurs fans here….. They’re just a normal average club….. Though I understand the football tradition in England.
But saying spurs has a better season than us is ridiculous….. The fact that they are going to taunt us despite their season performances just show their level
I look at it this way,,,, Tottenham maybe in next seasons UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE. I can’t see them attracting class players. Whereas, had Manchester United won and got CHAMPIONS League football, they would have attracted players going to them. That would have been Manchester United’s rebuild. As it is, they are now up the creek in a barbed wire canoe. Manchester United would have been more of a threat to Arsenal. United will not get the players in the summer transfer that they were targeting. They will probably be forced into selling off their asset players. So just because the Spuds have won their first trophy since 2008, it’s not all doom and gloom. We just need to suck it up until Arteta gets his finger out and do one better than the Spuds. With The Spuds winning a trophy doesn’t motivate Arteta, then nothing will. I’m just looking at the bigger picture of things.
17th in the EPL, 21 defeats, Europa League champions and a straight ticket into the UCL with a guaranteed 100m cheque. Talk about rewarding mediocrity!!! And it was an own goal.
If Arsenal had won the European League final during Emery time, Arsenal could have clinched in a short cut route the UCL spot but Arsenal lost 4-1 to Giroud’s Chelsea. That same rule applies with Spurs today. The only difference was Arsenal wasted that chance while Spurs seized the opportunity. Winning within the rule is what matters the most. Welcome to the UCL you Ange’s Spurs though at this rate I am afraid you will not make it with the 24 to be qualified teams.
The writer Michelle put a perfect title to her wonderful article. Who whispered that a day ago? Yes we truly need to embrace the noise from the Whites. In our locality it is Man Utd the Arsenal fans hate the most. I think the context differs with a change in geography. In other places it might be Liverpool or Chelsea that are the arch enemies.. etc. This may require sort of global research.
Well that’s it done, a terrible final played by two terrible teams, I couldn’t care who won as I hate both of these two in equal measure, probably hate United more than the Spuds as historically they’ve been the bigger threat and now Amorim is in a real pickle with United, they won’t get any big names this summer and Fernandes will probably look for a way out, he’s going nowhere with that lot, a mediocre mid-table team at best.
Has anyone else noticed that this season has been the season of the birds.
The magpies (Newcastle), winning the League Cup.
The Eagles (Crystal Palace), winning the FA Cup.
The Cockerel (Spurs) winning the Europa League.
And the Liver-birds (Liverpool) winning the League. 👍😉
I think it’s great we have two PL teams in the Europa final but it is much more difficult to compete in the PL.
Past Ten Years of PL Points Accumulated -Goals Scored
893 – 892 Man City
799 – 802 Liverpool
705 – 703 Arsenal
659 – 646 Chelsea
659 – 700 Tottenham
654 – 586 Man Utd
Champions League Finalist the past 25 Finals.
5 x Liverpool
4 x Man Utd
2 x Chelsea
2 x Man City
1 x Arsenal
1 x Tottenham
I always enjoy the match day rivalries but I would like to see Arsenal focus more on the big picture and find ways to score 10 more goals in a season and accumulate more points.
PL Past Ten Years Points Accumulated -Goals Scored
893 – 892 Man City
799 – 802 Liverpool
705 – 703 Arsenal
659 – 646 Chelsea
659 – 700 Tottenham
654 – 586 Man Utd
Champions League Finalist the past 25 Finals.
5 x Liverpool
4 x Man Utd
2 x Chelsea
2 x Man City
1 x Arsenal
1 x Tottenham