Will Arteta be under pressure if Man United win?
After the disappointing result to Fulham last week, Arsenal fans will be hoping to bounce back in today’s big game against Manchester United. United came back from 2-0 down to secure all three points against Nottingham Forest last week, while we only managed to get a point at The Emirates.
A rivalry game that already comes with a lot of pressure, Arteta is going to have to trust his team to try get it over the line. With Manchester City firing on all cylinders so far, is the game against United a must win if we want to keep up with the reigning champions?
Last season, we had the best start in history and got off to an incredible start, but this season feels a bit different. With the outgoings and the injury to new signing Jurrien Timber and Thomas Partey on the treatment table, it feels like it could be an upwards climb from here.
If we want to be challenging for the title, we must keep up. Does Arteta keep playing around with formations or does he go back to the basics and do what is proven to work against United?
In my opinion, this is one of our biggest games of the season and could kick start us into a good place where we can continue to build and compete for that Premier League title.
What’s your thoughts Gooners?
Daisy Mae
————————————————–
CALLING ALL ARSENAL FANS! Anyone who would like to contribute an Article or Video opinion piece on JustArsenal, please contact us through this link…
I think the only pressure on Arteta will be if one or two teams get away & open up a big gap on the rest. Our support expected a better start than we’ve made, but it’s far too early to be worried about pressure.
I suppose Daisy means returning to the regular back four, which seems more than likely today.
Yes. If we lose or draw, Arteta will get criticized again for his decisions
As for the back-to-basics, I believe we’ll revert to the inverted-LB tactic with Zinchenko and Jorginho in the CDM position. Rice may start ahead of Havertz, to support Nketiah from Xhaka’s position
Thomas Partey’s alleged injury may be a blessing in disguise for us. This will make Mikel Arteta to stop the experiments that he has been doing by playing the midfielder as a fullback. It will however help Arsenal to resort back to a back four.
This may see the introduction of Gabriel Magalhaes back in the centre back position to partner with William Saliba. Ben White to revert back to the right back position while Oleksandr Zinchenko may get back into the squad as the left back for the inverted role
This may work out for Arsenal because Zinchenko has the ability to move forward and also play in the midfield. He will be guaranteed of cover up because Saliba and Gabriel will be at the back to deal with any counter attack.
Mikel Arteta is under pressure because arsenal need to beat Manchester United to keep in pace with Manchester City at the top. The club dropped some precious two points last weekend against Fulham and the players are surely not ready to lose more points again today.
Arteta needs to understand that this game is crucial and there’s no time to experiment things. My advice to Arteta is do not use Thomas Partey as a RB and do not use Harvertz as CM. Using these players in the aforementioned positions in previous games has not produced any significant results. Maybe David Raya can be given a chance to start, if possible.
After the poor finish to last season I think Arteta would have been desperate for a good start
If we win today I reckon we could call it ok but if we lose then I will be worried for the season ahead
Funny how thing change.
Last season Arteta, was criticized for using the same stubborn tactics and no rotation.
Now the answer is to go back to very same tactics.
Go figure..
Change doesn’t necessarily mean playing half the team out of position, Change could me a tweak in tactics or formation too
Yep haha. It seems to many fans, game plans don’t matter much, only 3 points. It matters to me as well but good game plans can fail sometimes and bad game plans can win sometimes. Still I would never support a bad gameplan even if we are winning every game. Because luck runs out soon. I don’t think many care about getting the actual “basics” right, which are the tactics and gameplan. You can’t devise tactics with results in mind. Tactics are devised in order to play well, never to win. What “Basics” are people refering to, am not sure as well. Surely, Arteta isn’t going to field Ramsdale as number 9, nor Jesus as a GK. He is tweaking in a region of skillset overlaps among players, and that’s hardly straying far from basics. If basics means play like last season, I don’t think it was a healthy game plan at all, even so now when we are facing multiple competitions. Players will run out of steam soon if we play aggresively from the get go. And Saka will surely end up getting injured before the end of the season the way he was doubled up and literally attacked last season. Things need to change this season and I don’t know hoe Arteta will solve this but last season’s gameplan can’t be called “Basics” by any measure. Football evolves every season and imo there are very few things we can call ” Basics” in modern football.
It’s very very simple to understand Anders, or at least it should be.
Rotate players within their actual position/positions.
Trying to prove your point with an over simplified illogical sentence 🤣 classic
Sorry, I don’t have your magnificient logical sense.
I am sure, you know better than the manager 😉
No one wants him to be moving mountains.Last season it was about same players no changes even when the starting 11 showed signs of fatigue.Chopping and changing team formation because fans said change personel are 2 different issues.Infact we all know why he is doing that and it has not worked to his liking hence noone feels confident with same set up.
I think last season was mostly about getting into the champions league than EPL title. We came close but it wasn’t the plan at all it seems. Now Arteta wants to develop a style that he wants Arsenal to be associated with in the years to come. Hence the experimentations. While Arsenal fans are hoping for a much fiercer title competition this season, we can never know what the plans are in the minds of Arteta and Arsenal management as a whole. So, I am just willing to sit back and try to understand the trajectory this season takes for Arsenal. What are we going for this season. The way we played last season won us plenty of games no doubt, but we can’t be sure if that will work this season as many fans seem to be so sure of. Arteta isn’t so sure of that it seems. I wonder what he will come up with this season.
Ur opinion though, so last season arsenal had no style that they were associated with, sounds very funny to me
Arsenal had style last season but it can’t signify a team if it isn’t sustainable. Last season we had no other competitions other than the EPL for the majority of the season, so it worked well. This season, not so much. As Arteta said, gameplans are very specific to the current circumstances. Last season’s style was for that season. It probably won’t work this season. Arsenal needs to devise a default game plan that’s sustainable and is adaptable to many situations. Last season’s style was very very rigid, straining certain players way more than the rest of the team. It wasn’t sustainable.
So everything season coaches changes their way of play, I can’t quite understand what you are saying, last season we lacked a quality bench not style of play, and we were not only playing epl we played in 4 competitions
Guadioala has been changing his methods every single season and being winning. Have you not noticed? Every top manager will do that.
I have not seen gadiola changing the way City play, he only twick things like playing with out traditional full back which is understandable by his lack of fullback after falling out with canCello, gadiola twick formations not changing the way they play, he can play 343,433, play 4,5 cbs etc but City still plays the same way
Man United is always motivated to play against us, it goes way back before the pizza incident.
A draw should not be a bad result in the scheme of things, but our program is ahead of them which will heighten our expectations.
Arsenal should play for a win, we will grow in confidence as the game progress and we dominate possession
A draw at home to United a good result, I wonder what would be a good result when City visits
I presume that many of us wil lhave seen Arteta responding to a journos question(in his team press conference) about our tactics evolving? If so, thenyou remember MA making mincemeat of that question by asking that same journo which of thr 36 permutations of our evolving shape he referred to (in our Fulham game) MA then added that against CITY , in the community we used 43 permutations during play.
This does to my mind show how massively in game tactics changing of shape, inverted players, etc., change constantly and esp in response to the opponents tactics , which also evolve during games.
Todays far more detailed during the game planning, aided by highly analysis in house teams that al ltop club have , has utterly changed andleft behind,the rather basic old style shape of 4-2–2. or 4-3-3, or4-2-3-1, etc.
Why dont we rank amateur fans admit we have not a clue, compared to top level pros and managers, about how the GAME OF TODAYS ERA has massively changed and is NOW far more complicated and intensely detailed , DURING the game itself, than any of us can even imagine.
This.
But were there really 43 ways? How can there be 43 variations in a single game unless it lasted the whole day? Maybe there were but for me I can’t think how.
Formations within formations. Arteta is going full blown Nolan here it seems lol. Maybe Arteta is breaking Formations into specific structures depending on the spaces players occupy depending on where the ball is. Honestly, it always felt to me formation is a very rudimentary concept conjured to makes us fans understand what really goes on in a professional football game. Pertaining to our human needs of trying to see structures, patterns, and order to make sense of our lives. Seconds, minutes, hours, days and such are useful concepts in living our lives but inherently they are meaningless considering the nature of time.
What a pertinent post. Well said!
HH, that you cant think HOW, ,is entirely my point.
It is WHY I said that none of we amateur fans can possibly even expect to properly understand the constant in game changingtactice that so manty top team use regularly in todays football It has evolved incredibly quickly m far more quickly that WE FANS can keep up with.
We are amateurs attempting to give knowledgeable opinions about how HIGHLY TRAINED PROFESSIONALS go about their work.
But WE are not qualified to do so!!
Presumably you would not DREAM of questioning or criticising a Doctor or skilled engineer, whilst doing their jobs, simply because you dont understand HOW they do them?
Nor would I. IT WOULD BE IMPERTINENT, BORDERING ON ARROGANCE!
If he is making all these in game adjustments then I think he should leave well alone. We got a lucky equaliser against $hitty and was fricking awful against Fulham, a game we all could agree on, was 2 points lost.
I don’t care about MAs ego and trying to sound clever when he sounded like a fish out of water. I just want the team to perform better than last season and points on the board or it will be another painful slog and.
Dunno where the errant “and” came at the end of my post🙃
And how is losing an important player to injury any blessing .. so it has come to wishing a player got injured just because we want to see the formation we preferred. This is silly.
And they keep saying how they “care” about the players.
Please where was any player wished injury?
Modern fans appal me TBH. We finsif=she da close second behinfd thrworlds best team last MAY.
THIS YEAR WE HAVE 7 POINTS FROM 9 ALREADY.
And yet we are asked, presumably seriously too, if MA is under pressure if we fail to win today.
I will say no more as saying what I REALLY THINK GETS ME MODERATED.
I will though just say this; many of our fans are spoilt rotten, in my sincere and considered opinion.
Have they ANY IDEA how fortunate they are to support OUR club and not a lowly one!!
Think it’s the level of opposition we played against in those three games as opposed to sheer points gain that leads to the widespread disgruntlement and frustrations.
Were those three games against the Citizens, Liverpool and Man United the mood would have somewhat different.
Please how fortunate are we to support arsenal? And why would you look at the lowly clubs 🤔, why didn’t you talk about the clubs at the top, the real Madrid’s or do their fans have horns
This is a season defining game in my eyes, so the whole team needs to improve with and without the ball. We need too see confidence in what we are trying to achieve and with a Manure team with so many changes and pretty awful from gk to midfield, anything less than the 3 points will be nothing short of a disaster for team confidence and supporters belief.
We are owed a performance in a competitive
game since last seasons meltdown, let it be today 🤞
Win, against a forlorn utd team, is the only result. A better performance and no excuses for players or manager. The tinkering has to stop.
At the risk of oversimplification, think in terms of “responsibilities, rather than positions.
The job/responsibilities of players are determined by the specific situation at that time; forget the 413 variations of tactics.
Partey shifting from RB to midfield, whether Zinchenko inverts or defends, why Odegaard drifts to Saka’s side and Martinelli is often isolated.
Arteta obviously wants that shape to unbalance opponents or create gaps in their lines.
I’m no genius by any means, but paying attention and noticing repetitive movements and positioning can identify intention.
If it was so brilliant and mysterious other managers could not counter our intent, which obviously is not the case.
Arteta is great with tactics, but it also relies on player ability to carry them out with effect. Sometimes it’s not always possible as we all know.