Is Ramsey just another glory-hunter like Van Persie?

There have been many top Arsenal players that have moved on simply because they believed they could earn more money and win trophies. The most famous example of this was Robin Van Persie, who joined Manchester United for Alex Ferguson’s last season at Old Trafford and shot the Red Devils to the League title, but there have been many many more, like Cesc Fabregas, Gael Clichy, Sami Nasri and of course Adebayor.

Now it has been revealed that our Welsh midfielder Aaron Ramsey has also left us because he wants to go and win trophies as well. He is not the first Welshman to go and play for Juventus as Ian Rush joined them in 1986, and the ex-Liverpool legend revealed that he has spoken to Ramsey about his decision to go to Turin. He was asked why Ramsey chose Juve and he said: “Why Juve? I spoke to him a couple weeks ago, he’s always been convinced of this choice because he wants to win trophies and Juve has always been the first choice for this.

“He believes that they have more chances to win than other teams.”

There is no doubt that you couldn’t pick a more dominant team to go to right now as Juventus have won the last seven Serie A titles and four Coppa Italias in the same period, and also got to two Champions League Finals. They are currently 14 points clear at the top and heading for their eighth. I can’t think of any better place to be if you want titles, whereas Arsenal are just desperate to try and get back into the Top Four…

Can you blame him for leaving? Or is he just another glory hunter like Van Persie?

Sam P

Updated: February 16, 2019 — 7:29 am

35 Comments

  1. Then count Oxlade-Chamberlain as well, he might get 10 appearances and thus a Premier League medal. Another one to leave us for glory elsewhere. But even then we all thought he had not moved for a trophy, and we’re being proven wrong yet again. Whoever else leaves us next summer is leaving for a trophy. There I said it.

    1. Chamberlain moved for better opportunity in getting major trophies and career, because he rejected bigger offer from Arsenal

      Too bad because he is very talented, despite injury-prone

  2. “Now it has been revealed that our Welsh midfielder Aaron Ramsey has also left us because he wants to go and win trophies as well.”

    He left us?? He left us or the club withdrew contract negotiations and left him??…

    “Can you blame him for leaving? Or is he just another glory hunter like Van Persie?”
    How can you even ask such a question when both scenarios are so so different, Is this even supposed to be a discussion, “glory hunter”.

    Not tired of having to call Ozil different names right?
    Now Ramsey should be added to the fold, who are we adding next? Aubameyang? Koscienly? Cech? who??

  3. The money might also have had a lot to do with it but also you would not leave for a club with zero chances of winning trophies. It’s hardly likely he would win any more with us in the near future is it?

    1. Summarized in a nutshell.

  4. Even Bendtner won Serie A and received the medal, even if he only made 9 appearances, scoring 0 goals. LOL

  5. No.. I would never treat Him as a Glory Hunter.. How could even think of it..? The Guy signed for Us a 16 year old teenager.. And grew as a Player over the years.. Ended Our 9 year Trophy drought.He scored the Winner in 2 of the FA Cup Finals.. Stayed with Us through all the Good and the Bad times.. Our Board is the one who is not able to manage Players.. Can’t believe We are letting go a Player of Ramsey’s quality.. And that’s the difference between Us and Liverpool.. They sold 2 of their star players (Suarez 75 million and Coutinho 140 million or so) I am not saying that Ramsey would cost that much.. But atleast We would’ve got £50 million in today’s market.. Sad to lose a Player who’s still giving more than 100% on the pitch even when He knows that His Future does not lie here.. Will never be forgotten.. Aaron The Rambo Ramsey ♥️ #COYG ♥️

  6. Didn’t Ornstein say Ramsey had no intention whatsoever of signing the contract we offered him?
    RVP 🐍

    1. Sue ain’t you gonna miss our game since we don’t have any this weekend??😂😂😂

      1. Ha I can’t say I will Eddie!! Still getting over Thursday’s poor showing 😂😂

    2. Just remember about it, but can’t blame him or any ex-Gunners/ wantaway players

  7. RVP and Ramsey shouldn’t be compared. RVP was crucial for us at the time and had been supported through loads of injury ravaged seasons. He forced a move to our closest rivals at the time with a horrible letter basically stating he didn’t want to play for Arsenal after all the club had done for him. Ramsey on the other hand has made it clear he loves the club and would’ve been happy to stay if terms could’ve been agreed. I wouldn’t have been happy if Arsenal had matched Juves offer. All the best to Rambo, great player, seems like a great guy. I’ll be a Juve fan every time they’re not playing Arsenal.

  8. All footballers chase glory and I can’t blame any ex-Gunners because Arsenal have been barren of major trophies for more than a decade

    But I believe Emery could have a chance to set a good foundation, as long as he can sell the unwanted players and get his own

  9. The fact that Ramsey had agreed terms to a new Arsenal contract and has also never been anything but an upstanding professional for his entire time at our club proves this to be completely false, and I’m sure the writer of this article knows that full-well, they just couldn’t think of anything else to write about to get that juicy ad revenue.

  10. Jon Fox said I was an “Idiot” and what was my source of information back in December when I said Unai Emery has lost the dressing room. So now when players and former players come out in support of Ozil, where do we go from here. Arsenal have down tools since December and any idiot watching the game except for ” Got no Idea” can see the players are not responding to Emery.
    I have said it before that our 22 unbeaten is all down to our players and am not sure if there is any point of return for Emery.
    Next manager please let’s not waste anymore time.

    Congrats to Ramsey the guy didn’t have to make an announcement until summer but I think this was also a clear dig a Emery.

    1. If you think any manager is going to walk in and get results straight away your dreaming. We’re not Man U where the manager was choking their style of football. The fact that Arsenal are still in with a chance of top 4 in mid Feb says to me Emery is doing ok and has not lost the dressing room.
      Do I agree with Ozil being benched. No. Do I agree with Emerys selections for games. No. But I support Arsenal. Many on this site and so many fans in general have no idea what Support means. And yes Thursday we were utter shit. It happens. But is it the end of Arsenal or Emery? No.

  11. How on earth can anyone ask a question like this and expect to be taken seriously?

    Ramsey made it very clear he wanted to stay at our club, Judas RVP made it very clear he didn’t.

    Ramsey repaid our club, following his horrific injury at Stoke, by always giving 100%, as he still is despite knowing he will leave us at the end of the season.

    The other “person” paid back the time and effort the club put in to help him through his personal problems and never-ending injuries by lying about his intentions until the club had no option but to sell him to one of our biggest rivals.

    As for Fabregas, how you could list him as a mercenary makes me conclude that you know absolutely nothing about our club or it’s players.

    1. Ken seriously it’s amusing how this was even considered to be up for debate. Ramsey and RVP ain’t close in situations

      1. Eddie, absolutely…and then to add Fabregas to the list just topples the whole post into a world of insanity.
        If ever there was a man who loved our club and respected his roots at Barcelona this man was Fabregas, we should have brought him back in January.

    2. Statement by RvP:

      “This is an update for the fans about my current situation. I have kept quiet all this time out of respect and loyalty for the club and as agreed with Mr. Gazidis and Mr. Wenger, but since there is so much speculation in the media, I think it is fair for you guys to know what’s really going on at the moment.

      “As announced earlier this year I had a meeting with the Boss and Mr. Gazidis after the season. This was a meeting about the club’s future strategy and their policy. Financial terms or a contract have not been discussed, since that is not my priority at all.

      “I personally have had a great season but my goal has been to win trophies with the team and to bring the club back to its glory days.

      “Out of my huge respect for Mr. Wenger, the players and the fans I don’t want to go into any details, but unfortunately in this meeting it has again become clear to me that we in many aspects disagree on the way Arsenal FC should move forward.

      “I’ve thought long and hard about it, but I have decided not to extend my contract. You guys, the fans, have of course the right to disagree with my view and decision and I will always respect your opinions.

      ======================

      I believe RvP wanted Arsenal to invest and show ambition to compete, to try and win.
      RvP had some power due to his contract, he could sign a new deal and secure Arsenal asset… If Arsenal show ambition.

      Didn’t you want us to show ambition?
      I know I read many saying that Arsenal wasn’t showing ambition after that window.
      Then RvP left for UTD after refusing to sign a new deal.

      What did you want?
      RvP to sign a deal and be happy with Arsenal not showing ambition?

      I see a player who wanted us to show ambition which matched the fans desire… and the fans who shared his desire of the club showing ambition… calling him Judas when the club refused to show ambition and forced RvPs hand.

      Please notice how he said “Out of my huge respect for Mr. Wenger, the players and the fans “, clearly ignoring Gazidis in this part as he was happy to include him about the talks: “I had a meeting with the Boss and Mr. Gazidis after the season.”

      My honest opinion here is that Gazidis was the hindrance, he was the ambitionless guy who eventually forced RvP out but not showing the ambition all of us wanted Arsenal to show.

      1. Wanted to also add.

        RvP wanted Arsenal to show ambition, he said that money wasn’t the driving factor.
        RvP is a Judas for this?

        Ramsey wanted a fat paycheck and could have signed the deal before Gazidis ran off but he held off, wanting more money.
        This is acceptable?

        1. Two different points of view Midkemma, but I base my view on the history of him being at the club.
          I’m sure you are aware of the baggage he brought with him when he joined and how the club never waivered once in their support for him.
          As he progressed, it became obvious that he had some serious injury issues and, once again, the club stood by him.
          Then we had one and a half seasons of the kind of football that I had waited for and he was tremendous, cetainly our star player and an icon for me as a fan.

          Then, as you know, his stock went up and many clubs showed an interest in him.
          The discussion over a new contract started with AW a full one and a half seasons before it was due to run out.
          From the beginning, he kept saying it wasn’t an issue and kept the club and certainly me as a fan on tenterhooks, promising all would be resolved after the world cup.
          He wanted to concentrate on that, was his statement and I remember not being the least bit concerned that he would sign.
          “Out of my huge respect for Mr Wenger and the fan”, he then turned full circle and declared he wasn’t goingto sign a new contract, leaving the club no option but to accept the offer from United or lose him for nothing at the end of the season…something that hadn’t yet become the norm at our club.
          He knew exactly how and when to do this and was more than aware of the impact this decision was to have on the fans, manager and club.
          He had so many meetings to discuss his new contract, he must have known what “ambitions”. In fact he admits this when he said “earlier in the year”.
          If he wanted trophies and success why didn’t he say it then, in order that the club could plan for his departure?
          So easy to be concilitary and pious once the act is done Midkemma, wouldn’t you agree?

          Ramsey? He indicated from the very beginning of the scenario that he didn’t want to leave the club.
          He was happy to stay and help fight for trophies and made that very clear.
          His agent told gazidis and huss fahhy what Ramsey wanted and, after negotiations came to an agreement and the contract was ready to be signed.
          Exactly what that was, no-one will ever know, but when gazidis left that agreement was taken off the table.
          Ramsey reacted as, I believe, any employee would, and realising his days were over at the club looked elsewhere.
          I don’t believe that he is worth the money that Juve are reportedly paying for him and I also don’t believe that he is worth the money he thinks he is worth.
          However, he made his desires known to the club and they knew exactly what the issues were.

          that’s the difference Midkemma, Ramsey was completely upfront and transparent with his wishes, Judas RVP lived up to my title, lied for a long time then piously camee clean when it was too late to do anything.

          That’s my opinion and I respect your view of the situation.

          1. Such a shame we fell out Ken as when I read your posts, like the one above, I find do so much to agree about. If we could take the blessed Arsene out of our discussions we might well still be friends. Sigh! On the wider issue of all top player contact extensions negotiations, my take is that since agents, aka sharks, infested almost all players, honour has largely left the game where money is concerned. Huge money and honour are difficult to reconcile, bordering on impossible, bedfellows. I long for the days when our sport was STILL a true sport. Ironically though, the onfield game is often more exciting than ever , at top level. The addiction of a deeply pleasurable drug that so harms the morals of some who fall prey to it. Of course I include myself in that comment, as my own passion often gets the better of me. I have long thought it immoral to support the business – or to be addicted – of all top level clubs nowadays. Again, sigh! For ANY player to get tens of thousands of pounds a week for just an ability to play football is deeply immoral in my view and I have thought this probably since the Prem began and it is only getting worse, esp since almost all players routinely cheat on the pitch and disrespect the refs. Being the world sport is is, this disrespect does immense harm to impressionable younger fans.

  12. In the current Premiership climate the only loyalty is that of fans to their clubs.
    I no longer have any interest in individual players. They come and go as their agents and the next big payday dictates.
    They are transient employees, nothing more – providing they do the job they are paid for, that’s it.

  13. O.T. Has anyone been on google lately and noticed an article regarding our ex-manager?

    He seems to be slowly but surely releasing juicy bits of information regarding his time at the club.

    This one deals withsome of the players he tried to sign and here’s a list:

    Eden Hazard – Jadon Sancho – Paul Pogba – Lionel Messi (in 2003) – Ronaldo – Xabi Alonso – Luis Suarez – Gianluigi Buffon – Gerard Pique – Vincent Kompany – Ngola Kante – Bale (amits this was his mistake).

    There are comments from players such as Buffon, Xabi Alonso and Ronaldo that confirm this and I wonder what those who said AW never tried to address certain areas of the team think of these names?

    Not suprisingly, the main reasons why these were not successful was money, with clubs like Chelsea just outbidding us purely with cash.

    AW also talks about the Suarez situation and says that everything was clear at our end, but something went wrong at Liverpool, despite the two clubs being on good terms at the time.

    Phil, we talked about what revelations would come out when AW decided to write his autobiography, looks like he is whetting our appetites for some really incredible stories.

    1. I should have mentione one other point.
      I stated that gazidis had appointed Huss Fahhy as contract negotiater eighteen months ago and asked if he was still around?
      He is and was at the game Thursday night, SO what exactly is he doing with regards to Ramsey, Ozil etc?

      The report stated that he, Raul and Vinai left the game very stoney faced and unhappy…more drama ahead maybe?

      1. Maybe calling meeting with Emery? Hopefully to discuss putting this childish spat between him and Ozil behind them. It’s harming the club; in results, fan’s, and the oh so dross performances on the pitch.

        1. Durand, that seemed to be the slant that the report was taking anyway,

          Did you see my reply to you esrlier asking if kronkie had an issue with players over the pond as it seemshe has withOzil?

          Just wondered if that was the case?

    2. I think we have all read the stories about Wenger missing out on this or that player.
      At the time, I recall people saying it was Wengers fault, he had total control over Arsenal like a dictator.

      Wenger was tight fisted, Wenger doesn’t like to spend, Wenger treats Arsenal’s money like his own…

      Now we see the same tight fisted behaviour and it is Silent Stand fault. I do not think those people will recognise that Wenger did want quality and it was the club that let us fans down.

  14. RvP didn’t hide the fact he wanted to win something, he had the opportunity to try and force Arsenal to match his ambition (which we all wanted Arsenal to show!) with the threat of his own contract.

    I recall reading articles at the time about how RvP wanted Arsenal to show ambition in the transfer market and if they did he would sign.

    We bought Giroud, Podolski and Cazorla. RvP seen that and questioned the ambition. He could either stick to his threat or not. I do not blame RvP at all, yes he wanted glory but he initially tried to force Arsenal to show that ambition.

    Instead of backing RvP with his desire to force Arsenal to show ambition, fans called him Judas and a traitor along with various other vile names.

  15. It’s not all about money as some of like to think, when your on the field of play money is the last thing on your mind, winning is, and always should be. And I totally agree a big fat pay day is great. But players are remember by what they won same as managers. They what that trophy end of, he ain’t gonna get here. Good luck to him,

  16. Sorry, we took the deal off the table. He had already agreed and would’ve stayed if we hadn’t. 10 years of service and we weren’t prepared to give him even half of what Özil is on, it’s ridiculous! You’re twisting the words of someone else – who isn’t even directly quoting Ramsey – in some vain attempt to be considered interesting. Ian Rush is clearly saying that Rambo chose Juve over other prospective clubs, not that he is leaving us as he doesn’t think we’ll win trophies. Are we forgetting he almost single handedly won us 2 out of our 3 recent FA cups? This is just click bait. Have some decency, the guy has been nothing but loyal for 10 years and would’ve stayed with us, despite the fact that he could walk into any team in the world. My level of respect for JUSTARSENAL has dropped substantially. Find some real news to report on.

  17. Rvp left arsenal dnd won a premier league title something he wouldn’t of done under wenger and who could blame him

  18. Ian rush when playing in italy said in an interview”it was like playing in a foreign country”he stayed one year,compared to liam brady who played in italy for few years and performed you can see the difference in class between the two,I wouldn’t take advice from rush,and the only reason brady was sold by juve even though he was playing well was the fact that the president wanted Michel Patini at all cost.

  19. A reality check concerning the naive headline in this article. Virtually ALL top level players are glory hunters. Apart from a huge salary, they care only about winning silverware. The club shirt they need to wear to acheive this is not of over much concern to most players. That is just how players, mostly, are. As I get tired of having to remind naive fans, most players are seldom true fans of the club they play for. Unlike fans their heart lies with money and personal silverware, ONLY!



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