Even with Liverpool’s 11-point lead at the top of the Premier League table, you have to feel at least an ounce of sympathy for how Arsenal’s season has transpired.
A further three points (which would have cut the deficit to eight points) were denied to the Gunners following some questionable officiating calls in the 1-1 draw with Everton.
Even Reds favourite Danny Murphy couldn’t quite believe his eyes as Darren England, with the support of VAR, awarded a controversial penalty in the opening stages of the second half.
Myles Lewis-Skelly was adjudged to have illegally brought down Jack Harrison in the box, despite the former collapsing to the turf first.
Mark Goldbridge can’t believe Arsenal penalty decision
Manchester United fan and YouTube personality Mark Goldbridge was likewise at a loss to explain the decision-making process on Saturday.
“I’ve had enough of this PGMOL. I don’t even care about the game, I don’t care if Everton score,” the commentator said.
“He’s [England] a f****** moron. They are ruining the game!”
Goldbridge went on to add: “Two players fall over and he gives a bloody penalty. One it was on the edge of the box anyway, and two it’s not a bloody foul. Absolutely terrible.”
Mikel Arteta was equally adamant after the final whistle, suggesting Everton should have had a player sent off if the contact was deemed sufficient to penalise Lewis-Skelly.
Liverpool decision demonstrates bizarre lack of consistency
Mark Goldbridge rightly pointed out a similarly strange call from the officiating team during Liverpool’s 1-0 win against Everton on Wednesday.
Alexis Mac Allister was the recipient of a rather brutal follow-through from James Tarkowski, which inspired a post-game apology. However, officials only deemed the challenge worthy of a yellow card.
“So, on Wednesday night Tarkowski almost snaps Mac Allister – no red card,” the Manchester United personality said.
“On Saturday lunchtime, two players fall over – penalty.
“Absolutely fed up of it. It’s just disgusting. It’s absolutely disgusting. They’re ruining the game.”
The decision itself was, quite rightly, met with outrage post-match, but it’s yet another failing that indicates the remarkable level of inconsistency in the game’s officiating.
Fans will rightly be wondering how on earth a referee can go from one end of the scale (overlooking a reckless challenge capable of injuring) to another (soft contact around the box).
How? Because it is allowed to persist. This false narrative that the PGMOL is beyond reproach, and lacks any accountability; players and managers are suspended but refs will continue to ruin the game with their inconsistency.
I don’t believe refs are corrupt, but no doubt in my mind many are incompetent. Game after game, season after season we see it.
A penalty in one game but not in another, carded for kicking the ball, but ref does nothing in another.
Time for change, before it gets any worse.
What change ?
Just remember on Thursday a manager was having a go at officials / VAR for getting a decision correct
So what change do you want
The answer is bleedin’ obvious:
1. Correct application of the laws.
2. Laws that are as objective as possible.
But where they are subjective, they need to be applied consistently by all officials across all matches.
Other sports manage it just fine, only in football is there a problem to this degree.
But then football and managers need to be honest for that fo work
Consistency, wasn’t that the point of VAR to get it right?
Twice during Liverpool games ref missed calls in penalty box, and neither time did VAR intervene to ensure the correct call was made.
Against Everton, they didn’t protest or raise a hand when he went down; even Everton player gave no indication he thought he was fouled when both he and MLS went to the ground.
My point being either both or neither was a foul.
The inconsistency is the problem, and Webb covers rather than corrects his officials.
@ Durand. I agree that nobody can say they are “corrupt” (without clear evidence) – but they can be biased, even without knowing it.
Everyone involved in football (fans, refs, players, managers etc etc) has teams they like and teams they dont like. It’s really difficult to avoid that kind of feeling creeping into decisions if you’re a referee – unless someone is acting in a watchdog role and calling it out, correcting it. We just don’t see that with PGMOL, the problems continue season after season.
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@Neutral, I enjoyed reading your comments and I agree but would like to note that while nobody can say any official(s) are “corrupt” without clear evidence, it is also true that nobody can rule out such just because direct evidence is not currently open to public view. They are definitely innocent until proven guilty but being proven guilty may only be coming well after the crime. I do not know that evidence of something else exists as opposed to the “answer” being simply that there are mistakes seemingly being made more frequently (whether for or against Arsenal) by either biased or incompetent officials.
However, because I do not subscribe to the idea that the officials can be highly qualified and yet still repeatedly make glaring errors, I conclude that I do not know (i.e. not advocating any answer) the whole story at this moment in time. Perhaps they are simply highly trained professions who appear (because of my perception) to be making blatant errors more frequently. btw, I’m not a younger fan. Perhaps the Intelligence Services should become involved (if they are not already) as there is big money exchanging hands around the world on these outcomes. There would seem to be any number of potential answers whether there is direct evidence of them, out in the open or not. I am just curious of others’ open minded perspectives (as opposed to closed minded “facts”) on JA regarding what the “answer” could be.
This is where your wrong mate and I heard this argument before
If your accusing someone the burden of proof if on you to prove your evidence for the accusation not for the accuser to prove anything
For example ,
If someone at your work says ‘ I think he /;shr stole ‘ the employer has to find evidence to do anything they can’t say well until you can prove you didn’t your out of work
If that was the case you have a society where we all get arrested for accusations
If you think officials are corrupt , the burden of proof is on you
You can’t say you have zero proof but the officials have to prove they are innocent
As usual, you haven’t even read the argument you refer to in the comments above. Whatever, you’re right as always Dan.
Not always right at all
But in most situation where you accuse someone of anything the burden is on the accuser to have evidence
Think of anything in the news , how long the police speak to someone until they can charge someone
They need to have reason
Isn’t it possible that corruption outside the football arena is taking place?
25 something years ago I was watching Wimbledon play Arsenal at Palace. The lights went off and the game was called off. A similar thing happened at another game and it was found to be part of a betting syndicate (or similar) in the far east.
I think BB may have a point. It would be very difficult for an official to do anything blindingly obvious but you can never say never that an official could be persuaded to give a soft 2nd yellow at a particular time. This would not be to target Arsenal in particular but it could easily skew a result
So if I say Sue drink drives and you say you don’t is the burden not on me to show / prove the accusation
Saying …..well she could have doesn’t mean anything
We all could have done anything , hence why the burden of proof is on the accuser
I have no problem at all with burden of proof.
The betting companies have state of the art systems following betting patterns. There have been reports on fixing in the past. Trying to target a particular club by an official would be very hard to prove but the occasional red or yellow whilst in cahoots with someone unscrupulous isn’t beyond the realms of possibility
Every player being on performance enhancing drugs isn’t beyond the realms of possibility and has happened in the past
does that prove it’s happening now ?
So the only proof you have that officials this season is match fixing has happened in the past ?
I’m only offering up what is possible not what I believe is happening It maybe but I’m not saying that Arsenal are being specifically targeted
This is an argument that will keep rumbling on until refereeing standards improve and the PGMOL is more accountable for its members decision making. How can VAR take 6 minutes to make a decision for example? It’s not all about the possibility of corruption but observing the rules fairly across the board
Oh I agree it’s possible
But by that logic it’s possible me and you shop lifted today lol
If we deny it then burden of proof is on the accuser
Sue P, the only point I was trying to make was that the cause of the poor officiating may not have a simple answer. No one was accused of anything other than making poor calls.
It’s almost as though an open mind to possibilities offends one particular person who unfortunately appears to be the most active individual on this site. The old saying one bad apple spoils the bunch has never been more true to me here.
SueP, I appreciated reading your open-minded, non-arrogant, insightful, and reasonable comments. Thank you.
It reflects society mate
You want to say anything and can’t handle the basic of question
You said corruption could be happening
I simply said the burden is on the accuser to prove it
Be like saying could all players be on performance enhancing drugs
Of course they could …..but if they deny it the burden is on the accuser
Notice how I can debate without talking about you or your character lol
You really need to buy a mirror. O.K. Dan, I’m gone forever, I hope you are satisfied in your arrogant world.
Come on BB
Have a change of heart
BB Just read your post – why are you going?
Not one person has said why it is supposedly an Arsenal anti bias. And who and why it is organised against Arsenal. The bias is the fans, they don’t see all the other games from teams where fans say, they get all the bad decisions. Its poor refereeing. Thank god for VAR to reduce the percentage of poor decisions. Watch the women’s football where there is no VAR and it is dire.
They never will be able too mate
Ask someone to explain the non sensical they can’t for the very reason it makes no sense
Ivan easily explain a non sensical incident to you Dan a
Mr Oliver was refereeing a match at the Emirates between Arsenal and city 115.
Mr Oliver refused to issue a second yellow card to a city player because Mr Webb said he, Mr Oliver, didn’t want to spoil the spectacle of the
match.
As it happened, Mr Oliver was then given the match that saw city115 at home against Arsenal.
In this game, Mr Oliver had no issue whatsoever in sending off an Arsenal player, not remembering that it would ruin the game as a spectacle.
Three points from the above :
1. The differing decisions and the explanation are non sensical, especially as they don’t appear anywhere in the rule book.
2. Why give Mr Oliver the second game, after the controversy in the first game?
3. Both Mr Oliver and Mr Webb are corrupting the game by not abiding by the rule book.
There have been many non sensical decisions made by the PGMOL and it’s members, including their handling of the piece of equipment called VAR. and they can all be explained quite simply – Incompetence that leads to the corruption of the rules.
If you need any more evidence, what about the simple task of drawing a straight line when looking at offside? What a non sensual idea!! LOL
Any evidence that it’s corruption though
So for example has there been any proof that Mr Oliver did that for money or because of a bribe or is he simply bad at his job
Why have the police not got involved of there’s evidence of corruption?
Dan, you are sucked into the belief that the word “corruption” just involves money and bribes!!
People have been known to “corrupt” systems by not using them properly ie not following the rule book.
The PGMOL are answerable to only themselves, so why would the police be called in to an organisation that is allowed to police itself anyway?
Again I notice that you do not actually address the examples I gave you, but ask me to answer three questions instead!!!
Am I to believe that you think it’s OK for Mr Oliver to carry on ignoring the rule book, backed up by Mr Webb, and make up the rules as he goes along?
Is that not corrupting the very system (rule book) that the game of football is based on?
No corruption in the UK is defined
as: the offering, giving, soliciting or acceptance of an inducement or reward, which may influence a person to act against the interests of the organisation
Language is important
An official getting a decision wrong or VAR being bad is not corruption
Answering questions rather than ignoring them is also very important if one wants to debate properly.
You seem to ignore any questions put to you that may need a bit of thinking about and come back with other questions.
That’s not debating, that’s just ignorance.
Now, I’ll try for the third time – why did Mr Oliver make two completely different decisions in two separate games featuring the two same clubs?.
I don’t want you to say “I don’t know but…” I want your opinion and then can you tell me where either decision is in the rule book.
I will come back to you regarding the word “corruption” as I want to check something out and I haven’t got what I need to do that, but rest assured I will answer you.
Because that’s my point Ken
I dont have to answer any questions to go round the houses as I’m not the one who’s making the accusation
The burden of proof is on the accuser
So it’s very simple , does anyone have any evidence that officials this season are corrupt ?
You would simply have the answer not the need to ask a question
It’s like if someone goes missing isn’t it ?
How many online say someone in the family is responsible
You then say evidence ?
This is the issue with a generation thinking they can just say anything
They ask a question
Where i respect you though is you give your opinion and it’s a healthy debate
What society has become is too many people think there feelings are the truth
Facts don’t care about your feelings
It’s simple , is there any evidence that corruption is happening
If I wake up tomorrow and there’s footage of Mr Oliver taking a payment or recordings of him saying I’m going to cost Arsenal today then show me
Here’s the reality …..Arsenal have failed and allot of Gooners ( me included ) are gutted but because we live in a world of entitlement we need an excuse / a reason
You do the same unfortunately
When there was video footage of Roy Keane getting attacked you said …..well we don’t know until fan is proven guilty
There’s no evidence of corruption but you seem to think that doesn’t matter ?
It’s simple
Fan was a Gooner -so you defend him
Arsenal have failed – you need an excuse
Does that not make you the one who is in fact bias
We both know in life allot more unfair things happen then sport not going your way
Has to be someone else to blame
We are 11 points behind Liverpool because they are better this season , period .
Some decisions go against us , some for us
That’s been happening since football was invented im afraid but that’s not a conspiracy
Dan, if your case is so watertight, why don’t you answer the questions put to you?
As your framing your thoughts as if we’re in a court of law, it’s my right to challenge your opinion that there are no examples of corruption.
In my opinion I have given you examples of where two completely different decisions were made that, upon examination, were not in the rule book that underpins the game of football.
Now you refuse to answer that question, along with others I might add, so what am I led to believe?
You can’t and so you fire back questions at me!!
I hope to see an answer this time, but I’m not holding my breath.
As to your post and how I feel, Goldbridge isn’t an Arsenal fan – in fact he’s a manure fan, so can you explain that?
Like you, I watch my club every game I can and I don’t need an excuse if they lose.
I accept we’re where we are and show no bias whatsoever.
I don’t blame the referee for his awful decision when giving Everton that penalty – we weren’t good enough on the day… simple really!!
But that doesn’t mean I can’t state that I think the referee made a mistake dies it?
Now, about those questions I put to you…… M
You answered it mate and your spot on
It is exactly like being in a court of law
Why do you think people say no comment …..the police have certain amount of time to present the evidence.
If they have it … They don’t need the accused to say anything
You/ and others are suggesting a man trying to do his job is breaking corrupted
A serious accusation that impacts on him and his family ( he’s had death threats over this accusation)
So yes you have to provide the evidence not me and you have failed to do that
You have a conspiracy theory
There’s children who go missing and attacks around the world where people say well what about that …..and how come this…..but ask them for evidence and nothing
If you feel you have evidence then great. I would wonder why he’s still in his job and the police have not looked into this
But I’m content you have none
Now if you were to write an article about you have a theory mate , I truly would answer the question but you to me it’s as simple as ….what evidence
So far we have had personal attacks on me , threatening to leave site and questions lol
Yet not one shred of evidence
Hence why he’s still working and now under and police investigation
I’m not threatening anyone Dan, never have and never will, so no idea why your suddenly playing that card?
This is a debate about Mr Oliver and his refereeing, along with the reaction by the PGMOL to said refereeing.
In my opinion he’s not refereeing by the rule book, so his actions are corrupting said rule book.
You’ve asked for examples and I’ve f given you a very specific ione and asked for your opinion on it.
Despite many attempts, you still haven’t answered me….
There’s another meaning to do with computers – corrupting files possibly?
Just asking for a friend..
Of course SueP and that’s my point – they are corrupting the rule book by saying that a player was not sent off because it would have spoilt the game one minute and then doing the complete opposite the next.
Is that what your friend is talking about, as that is the question I keep asking Dan if agrees that is an example of corrupting the rule book
One of the issues in some of these debates is the different uses of the word “corrupt”. For some people the views and positions are based round the usual legal definitions or usage whilst others seem to be using the word and it’s derivatives in a broader sometimes ambiguous sense.
Mr Ken1945 and to an extent Dan here like to debate in this way. You can see that they both love to employ various argumentative devices in their articles and responses.
Since no ground rules have been set you end up with long, sometimes, unwieldy debates.
No mate
Me and Ken respect each other to know it’s opinions and no right or wrong
If he thinks he got evidence great
I just think language is so important
To say someone is corrupt is offensive.
That’s why players get booked if they say cheat
The man family has got death threats over this allegation so the very least we can do is give evidence
Think of a child who goes missing and the parents are accused online of knowing more then they let on
Do you think they answer every theory or do you take the emotion out of it and go …..evidence ?
Many will agree with Ken because it’s Arsenal and it’s easier to have an excuse then say we were not good enough
Put it this way though …..why is he still working and not investigated if there is evidence of corruption ?
When that other reff was caught on camera saying things about Liverpool and Klopp he was investigated ?
David, am I correct in saying that you see the word corrupt(ing) as having different meanings then?
I suggest that when/if Dan answers my question regarding Mr Oliver, the debate will open up.
What’s your view regarding Mr Oliver and that double decision?
By the way, it’s ken1945, putting Mr in front, makes this 79 year old man feel old!!
That’s the issue guys though in society , words are taken and thrown around and can now mean what you want
A player gets a yellow card for calling a reff a cheat right ?
There would be no point saying …….’ oh your taking cheat to me what the legal or English definition is . No I mean something else lol ‘..
By saying that Ken I actually think deep down you don’t believe he’s corrupt at all ?
Dan, I believe his actions are corrupting the game of football and he should have been demoted for what he did.
When any referee thinks he’s above the rules of the game and starts making up rules himself, he becomes a maverick and the fact that Mr Webb backed him up, made it even worse.
He should have been demoted or even sacked, because that one decision alone affected the whole of the league one way or another.
Yeah and I accept and respect that’s what you believe and am not trying to change your mind mate , that’s your right
That’s the issue what most of us believe or feel have zero bearing on facts
The fact that he carries on working and is not being investigated is based on facts not what fans believe
The fact that he’s still refereeing is because the PGMOL answer to no-one, police themselves and cover for each other.
Of your happy for Mr Oliver to continue refereeing making up rules as he goes along, then good for you.
I believe that’s wrong and it’s corrupting the game of football.
If corruption was going on though police would get involved
If he’s taking any kind of bribe or fixing the match that’s unlawful
Look at Seria A in 2006
But the PGMOL have not reported it and I haven’t said he was taking bribes or fixing matches.
Your the one who’s bringing those into the debate.
The police have no durisdiction over the rule book concerning football and THAT’S where the likes of Mr Oliver is corrupting the game.
That’s what corruption mean
And if he was cheating for money of course police would get involved
This argument will be difficult to agree on
Corruption as far as I’m concerned is for personal gain – money generally but not necessarily
If something is “corrupted” it can mean that it’s damaged or spoiled in some way. I’d say that this is what Ken1945 is referring to. – Collins dictionary
Yes, to me the word corrupt can mean different things. This seems to affect the direction these debates take whenever this comes up.
In this kind of debate it would be useful to agree what each person means by “corrupt”!
Sue but the debate started when a reader wrote ( not me )
I don’t believe refs are corrupt
The response was
agree but would like to note that while nobody can say any official(s) are “corrupt” without clear evidence, it is also true that nobody can rule out such just because direct evidence is not currently open to public view
So no I don’t think he means has he damaged or spoiled something
I will differ, Dan, on that. Not officiating by the rule book and instead doing his own thing (not wishing to spoil the spectacle), and then on another occasion spoiling/damaging the integrity and impartiality of the refereeing profession by doing the opposite is corrupting – based on the dictionary’. Impartiality should be seen to be an absolute requirement. I’d say these two situations, impartiality was not shown which spoils and/or damages the integrity of the role and was further exacerbated by Webb.
I am not implying that Oliver was corrupt for financial gain. There are two interpretations of the same word
Yeah Sue but the debate started when a reader wrote ( not me )
I don’t believe refs are corrupt
The response was
agree but would like to note that while nobody can say any official(s) are “corrupt” without clear evidence, it is also true that nobody can rule out such just because direct evidence is not currently open to public view
So to me that’s saying no one ca rule out officials are corrupt
That means they are taking a bribe or have an incentive to deliberately act in a certain way
Not ……Havertz dived but he gave a pen but didn’t last week so he’s corrupted the rules
Too simplistic an example Dan – that’s down to the referee making a decision.
The point you keep evading is the example of Mr Oliver and his desire not to spoil the game one week then does the complete opposite the next – that’s corrupting the rule book, unless you can supply the reason why he did it?!?!?!
But again Ken that’s not what I responded too
I responded to this comment ….
agree but would like to note that while nobody can say any official(s) are “corrupt” without clear evidence, it is also true that nobody can rule out such just because direct evidence is not currently open to public view
And just asked for evidence
Still not answering THAT simple question Dan – I’m wondering how many people are asking why you won’t / can’t?
In my opinion that question is evidence and you ignore it.
Because your question is not evidence
It would be like saying
I think you got drugs in your bag
And me saying , I have not , what is your evidence
Then you saying …..none ……
But now answer me this question
I would be like no ….have you got evidence or not ?
So I simply open up my bag and prove I have nothing to hide – it’s as simple as that… unless, of course, I had something to hide!!
The evidence would be my ability to prove beyond a doubt that I had no drugs in my bag…. now back to the question?
That’s the point Ken
He doesn’t need to open the bag lol
The burdens on you to prove you have any evidence to prove something is happening
If that was your employer or even the police you don’t have to open that bag unless they can present you with reasonable / legal reasons they think something is in the bag
Eg , a policeman can’t knock on my door and just search my house
Of course he doesn’t have to open his bag, but why wouldn’t he if he had nothing to hide?
There would be no burden of proof, just a very simple action to prove a point.
But of course, if a policeman knocked on my door and explained why he wanted to search it and I had nothing to hide, why wouldn’t I let him in, make him a cup of tea and let hin do his job….. if I had nothing to hide or worry about?
It’s called someones human and legal rights
Which is why you can have theories but have zero right to expect the burden of proof to be on the accused
I been stopped by police before and asked to give my name and address and refused and guess what I had nothing to hide but refused and guess what he argued and his mate came over and told me I was allowed to walk away
I been asked before to empty my bag by a manager
I called my owners and she was on the phone to manager within seconds saying you can’t do that
Guess what ….I had nothing in bag
The burden is on those making the accusation
Hence you shouldn’t really make an accusation without evidence
That’s why Mr Oliver works and hasn’t been questioned by police
Well Dan, that’s your perogative to do what you did.
I have no problem with giving the police assistance in their work, as I believe without them, we would have a lawless society.
They are welcome to come to my house, search it, search me and have tea and biscuits any time they feel the need to.
My human rights are not affected, simply because I live within the rules of the country I live in and have nothing to do hide …. much like most referees referees live within the rule book
I literally was following the rules of the country lol
The officer and manager wasn’t
( Depends what biscuit )
Top 3 biscuits ….go
So prove them wrong Dan with a simple gesture of goodwill by opening up your bag!!
What bliss to see their faces and the apologies that followed!
Instant karma I believe!!
Digestive or custard cream?!
A bourbon then Custard cream
Reggie, your point about it being against The Arsenal :
Your on it website devoted to all things Arsenal.
Goldbridge isn’t an Arsenal fan, he’s a football fan who happens to support manure, but is utterly sick and tired of the incompetence of our referees and that’s what football fans are complaining about.
The fact that their complaints are usually to do with the club they watch and follow, is because they watch and follow them!!
Ken, there are people on here who say it is against Arsenal, only. I was asking where the proof was, who runs it, who pays who or why is it Arsenal. What are the reasons for Arsenal to be the only club to be wronged against. Its human error, its mistakes, it poor running, its fine lines, its interpretation, its misjudgement and many other things but it isn’t Anti Arsenal.
Reggie, there are some fans who think many different things and it’s up to you and me whether we want to debate with them or not.
I happen to believe that Mr Oliver has made to many bad decisions against our club for it not to be just a coincidence and the Skelly sending off showed me that his arrogance has no bounds.
He put two fingers up at every football fan and showed utter contempt for the club, knowing there would be no comeback.
My point about fans around the country being fed up with the inconsistentcy, the flagrant ignoring of the rule book and the complete denial of any punishment or explanation by the PGMOL is driving the fanbase nuts!!
Until the PGMOL is held accountable, not allowed to police itself and actually explained why it can’t use a piece of hardware (var) properly, the game will be constantly spoilt.
The very fact that these referees are earning, at the very least, six figure sums every season and still cannot abide by the rule book is simply not good enough.
But that falls down the moment he makes a decision in our favour or equally hurts a title rival ?
No it doesn’t Dan – not if the decision can be explained by the rules of the game.
If they can and every referee applies those rules in a consistent manner, then every fan will be happy and the referee will have learnt his six figure salary doing a very difficult job…. at the moment it is glaringly obvious that they aren’t.
But you said its not a coincidence how many times it happens to us
So I think he’s asking what is the bias ?
As in what is the motive and why ?
It can’t be to stop us winning games or be Champions as he gives us bad decisions in our favour and screws over other teams as well with bad calls
( Again that happens for decades )
I said it’s because we’re on a Arsenal website Dan, so it’s obvious that the decisions talked about would concern, 99% of the time, matches that involved our club.
But if he gives decisions in our favour how would that be a bias ?
Have I said that?
If his decisions could all be explained via the rule book, there would be no bias would there?
But to be bias you favour one against the other or are deliberately against a certain person / group
If he equally gives decisions our way that’s not biased
He’s simply a rubbish reff
Exactly, so what’s your point?
He’s a rubbish referee, who makes things up as he goes along, doesn’t follow the rule book and, thus, corrupts the game itself!!
Simple really!!
Ken
To my mind Webb has avoided the simple question regarding the lack of consistency from officials.
The comment regarding Mr. Oliver, he didn’t want to ruin the spectacle of the game.
His job is officiating, not the arbiter of “good spectacle” apply the rules of the game, regardless of the spectacle.
His arrogance is shocking, very brazen to cite such a subjective reason for ignoring the rules in favor of what HE deems as entertaining.
Webb does nothing while one of his officials ignores rules in favor of what he determines to be entertainment.
Absolutely 100% spot on Durand and this is what Dan doesn’t seem to understand.
Mr Oliver wasn’t refereeing that game by the rule book, he was refereeing it as he saw fit and made up the rule that helped one club but not the other, backed up by Mr Webb!!
If it was The Arsenal that had beniffited from such an amazing, arrogant, never seen or heard of before decision, I would still be as incensed as I am today,.
That is not the rules of football.
Why not just throw the rule book away and referee the game as one sees fit.
Both Mr Oliver and Mr Webb have corrupted the simple game of football by doing this and there is no consequences that follows.
So when Skelley didn’t get a second yellow at PSV which helped us and not them were you angry and outraged then ?
When Man City were robbed in last few seasons for rules being implemented wrongly were you outraged ?
What about when Arsenal got a pen against Liverpool for handball but a more obvious one at Anfield when Odegarrd does it goes in our favour …..were you outraged then ?
When Havertz dived against United were you outraged ?
When we score against Spurs from a corner that should have been a goal kick were you outraged ?
When M Oliver the only time last season looks at monitor and sticks to his decision to give Arsenal a goal after a clear hand ball were you outraged
So to clarify your outraged when it goes against us only ? Lol
Not you making threats lol
I’m saying threats have been made against this man and his family based on the accusation he’s corrupt ( not threats by you lol)
I simply have asked for evidence and no your question does not prove this statement ….
agree but would like to note that while nobody can say any official(s) are “corrupt” without clear evidence, it is also true that nobody can rule out such just because direct evidence is not currently open to public view
Again Ken if you think you have proof of corruption why is he still working
Why are the police not involved ?
Dan, once again your using questions to avoid answering a question!! LOL
All the examples you give, fall by the wayside compared to the one I’ve asked you about and that you refuse to answer.
When, in the history of this great game, has a refusal to give a foul been explained as a referee ignoring said foul because he “didn’t want to ruin the spectacle of the game!”
Who gave him the right to make such a decision?
Was that decision in the rule book and is it there now?
You can keep bringing up other examples for as long as you want, but I’m holding out on the expectation that you might answer my questions first.
Actually I will answer all the questions you posed now – Mr Oliver decided that he, as the official made the final decision as per the rule book.
Was I outraged? No because that is what a referee is paid to do – follow the rule book and make a decision based on said rule book.
I was frustrated by some and pleased by others, but he was doing the job he was paid to do.
I’ve answered your questions and given you the reasons why.
Now, can you answer my questions and give me the reasons why, as I feel outraged that Mr Oliver felt fit to rewrite the rulebook without any input from anyone else…. see the difference Dan? lol?
Sorry Dan, I’ve just realised I didn’t answer your question about the police.
The PGMOL are themselves accountable to no one else and are subject to no scrutiny, apart from within their own organisation.
Again, your getting confused with your use of the word corruption versus the wider interpretation that I am using.
The PGMOL backed Mr Oliver up when he broke the rule book, so why would the police get involved?
Now don’t forget my questions, as I don’t want to go down another avenue until I get your opinion on those.