Mikel Arteta boasts an incredible win rate against Manchester United.
Arsenal are getting labelled “Set Piece FC” and I love it! Such has been how rattled our opponents were by our set piece prowess that they’ll go through any means to undermine the very efficient way we won.
Indeed, the two goals from corners were enough to beat a United side that kept us impressively quiet in the first half. The win was also a landmark for Mikel Arteta, he had 149 wins as our manager heading into this tie with his first ever win coincidentally coming against Man United on new year’s day in 2020. Fast forward just under five years later, his 150th win as Arsenal manager remarkably came against the same opponent thanks to the recent 2-0 win, Impressive!
Along with that impressive landmark, the win also solidifies Arteta’s place in League history as he now has the highest win rate among managers with at least five meetings against the Red Devils. His win rate of 70 per cent is the best in Premier League history thanks to the seven wins he has against them from ten previous meetings, only dropping points in three games due to a draw and two losses.
I know that United may not hold the former glory of the past however, you cannot deny it being an impressive feat. There was a period in recent history where we couldn’t even get consecutive wins over them but in the past few seasons, we have practically owned them and Mikel Arteta has been a huge reason for this!
Out of the seven wins, which has been the most impressive?
BENJAMIN KENNETH.
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Have we lost to any original Top 4 team in the league since last season?
It seems like we have reversed the course. We had become the weeping boys against these Top EPL clubs before Arteta showed up. Now I never feel that nervous taking any of them on Home or Away.
Houston be informed radar alarm has gone off, agenda detected on the air. Coming from the usual source. Proceeding to neutralize it!
Of course we have reversed the course by being the big spenders and trophy buyers.
Arteta did not face the mighty of Ferguson and Mourinho on a shoestring budget.
“Ferguson and Mourinho on a shoestring budget”
who writes your material, it’s hilarious
Well said Arsenal1886. Alot of these Wenger worshippers seem to forget how many times we got humbled and destroyed by anyone half decent for nearly ten years under Arsene. They also conveniently forget that he also got humbled off Leicester city. The day we lost the title that season, Wenger should have walked.
It seems I am up against the Townsmen again. It has been long. If I remember correctly we were the only big club that beat Leicester that season.
And considering they won the league doesn’t it mean they humbled everyone? Especially trophy buyers?
Liam, not forgetting losing at home to those massive clubs Wigan, Hull, WBA and Swansea…
And we should also not forget to remember how Arteta lost a title that was already ours by losing to the mighty of Nottingham and Brighton.
And if that wasn’t enough he went on to repeat the feat last season losing to the galacticos of Villa, as well as the titans of Fulham and West Ham.
It’s not like our title ambition was based on beating those gigantic clubs with the best squads in the world.
Wow, you want to bring up losing trophies to galacticos and titans. I’ll raise you the galacticos by the name of Galatasaray, you know, that massive European giant that had won the massive amount of European trophies of zero until they beat us in the UEFA Cup Final we n Copenhagen in 2000.
Then there’s those titans of the English game, Birmingham City, who had won one major trophy before beating us in the League Cup Final in 2011.
HD
You do make me smile, you really do!
SueP, I try my best 😁😏
Liam, if we got destroyed and humbled by half decent teams for nearly ten years, how do you ezokauh the fact that we ever finished below sixth once, fifth once abd and top four the other eight years?
Should Arteta have walked after cinubg second twi years on the trot after being ahead?
After being second!!
How do you explain the fact. Bloody thick fingers!!
Arsenal1886
Ferguson signed the teenage Ronaldo for £12m in 2003, but a year earlier parted with £40m ish for Rio Ferdinand.
A year later, in 2004, Mourinho spent over £30m on Didier Drogba. 8 years ago in 2016, whilst at ManU he paid approx £100m for Paul Pogba
The notion that to get to the top of the tree without sticking your hand in your pocket is a complete fallacy. Pep has spent over 50m euros on 15 players at City ( Bernardo Silva for 50m in 2017, rising to 117m euros for Grealish in 2021.)
@Arsenal1886.
I don’t think @HH meant that Fergie and Mourinho were operating in a shoestring budget.
I think he was referring to Wenger having to compete with the likes of Fergie and Mourinho on a shoestring budget.
When I wrote my original comment I was not even thinking in terms of having any digs at the likes of “Wenger, Emery, Ljumberg etc”.
The article stating that we have not lost to Man United in the last season or so prompted me to think about our record against our other boogeymen (Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City, Spurs etc). And I realised that we also have not lost to any of them since last season.
That’s all. But I can understand why some would have interpreted it as a dig at Wenger even if Emery it could also have been interpreted as a dig at Emery too. And it could also have been a dig at Arteta himself as when he too lost a fair amount of game against these Top 4 clubs up until last season.
But hey, it is what it is..
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At least you have a reading comprehension unlike your fellows.
Well Goonster, it wasn’t very obvious but I see it now.
However, looking at Transfermarkt, Wenger wasn’t always on a tight budget although it is more than fair to say that Ferguson and Mourinho had a greater spending power.
Of course, it also matters that the money is spent wisely by any manager. My point about Pogba would be that is was a waste. Rio was indeed a lot of money, but very well spent. Arsene Wenger bought Cazorla for less than 20m euros, which was excellent business, but then parted with 41m euros for Mustafi. So it is not all about what you spend, but how you spend. More often than not AW did very well as we kept our position in the top4 during a time when two of the four clubs were bankrolled by an oligarch and a nation state.
@SueP
You are preaching to the choir here.
I know that we don’t want to turn it into a Wenger vs the World thing. But it seems like it does not matter how objective one is about Wenger. His tenure is gone and as Arsenal fans we are all allowed to look back and evaluate it objectively. Aren’t we?
Any constructive criticism of some aspects of Wenger’s tenure is interpreted as Wenger Hate. You are only deemed to be objective towards Wenger if you carry on with the:
“Wenger was the biggest managerial victim of all time because he had to operate on a shoestring budget.
Had to build us a new stadium.
The mafia oligarchs such as Man United, Chelsea, Man City, Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, PSG, Anzi Makhachkala etc could afford any player while Wenger had to count the pennies.
How Wenger had to deal with Arsenal fans booing him, flying plane with banners over the stadium asking him to resign etc…
Again, I am not a Wenger fanboy as I was between 2006-2015 but I am also not a Wenger Hater. I am in the middle nowadays. And I know that you are too SueP.
I just prefer constructive criticism on every issue in life, which includes in football (Managers, players, pundits, fans etc.)
That’s all.
A true Arsenal supporter will always honor and appreciate Wenger’s legacy at Arsenal.
What Arsenal is a club right now is due to Wenger’s vision and hard work. Or at least he played a big part of it.
The fact that we were able to write off an entire squad (something never seen before in world football) on top of spending nearly a billion and still not suffer in any way, shows how healthy financially Wenger left the club at.
Whose money has Arteta been spending? The money Wenger made or straight from Kroenke?
If it’s the former then Arteta is living and enjoying the house Wenger built. If its the latter then Wenger was operating on a very tight budget that it’s magical he managed to make Europe every season.
Your choice.
Sorry @HH but who give you this authority to dictate what should constitute a True Arsenal supporter? Mate, just because you and some are too far to the Left when it comes to objectively evaluating Wenger does not mean that everyone else should be expected to do the same or they are not a True Arsenal supporter. You know that millions of people have been Arsenal supporters well before Wenger joined Arsenal in 1996. Right? You know that Arsenal FC goes back all the way to the 1st of December 1886? That 138 years ago.
I think the only individual that have the authority to dictate what should constitute a True Arsenal supporter are those Munitions that all chipped a few pennies to found this club. The likes of billionaire Henrry Norris that moved us from Woolwich to North London (Highbury) etc..
And just because you yourself became an Arsenal fan due to Wenger’s influence shouldn’t all of a sudden make you the arbiter of what should consistent a True Arsenal fan. Take off your overly biased Wenger tinted glasses and start being rational instead of just a biased blind worshipper.
We all can appreciate and honor wenger when warranted on any given issue. We don’t have to be too Far to the Right or too Far to the Left when accessing Wenger’s time at Arsenal.
What I refuse to do is this business venerating certain individuals that I like / favour. It’s not part of my Ontology. Hence why I have always clashed with people on here due to their never ending venerations of particular players, managers, Football people etc.. . I am cutthroat. I am a transactional person. If I deem it appropriate to praise any given individual at any given juncture I woll do so. If i deem it appropriate to constructively criticise the same individual on a different issue then I wll do so. I think that the difference between my personality and for example yours and others.
I have always respected and appreciated wenger in a wholistic manner. But it does not mean that I have to bury my head in the sand by compromising my objectivity when it comes to highlighting his flaws and shortcomings in his tenure.
You will forgive me if I don’t read all your articles disguised as comments. You always write so much but say so little or nothing at all.
Learn to say much with little.
@HH
I guess that’s the current education system in the West. Where grown adults are more comfortable speaking in catchphrases, buzzwords and twitter like one line paragraphs…
Again, don’t make statements about what should constitute being an Arsenal supporter when you only got on the Arsenal bandwagon during the wenger era.
As I said many people have been Arsenal supporters well before Wenger took over in 1996. Peoples opinions with regards to Wenger does not constitute who a True Arsenal supporter is.
I hope that this much shorter reply can capture your attention span other than a longer more detailed one.
All the best..
Goonstar, top post fella 👍
1886, any idea what the overall spend of managers has been at this moment in time?
Here’s your starter for five :
Mourinho = £1.4 billion
Guardiola = £1.3 billion
Fergie = £891.300 million
Wenger = £867.38 million
Arteta = £700.0 million
It would be interesting to see who made the most profit from selling players don’t you think?
I guess Anelka must’ve been the best of the lot, but I might be wrong.
Okaayyyy. Lol
If it’s all about money spent then, Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool, Man United, Spurs, Newcastle etc have spent as much as us if not more in the last year or so.
Have they also not lost to any of the Top 4 team since last season?
And we are just trophy buyers? 👍👌😂
If that’s the criteria then everyone that competes to win trophies should be labelled as a trophy buyer.
Right Einstein? 🤯
And lets not go into this “Shoestring budget” stuff right now. Because my comment was not about any specific manager. It was just an overall observation.
Yes I have said exactly that. We have joined the big spenders Man city and Chelsea duhhhh!!!
So then what’s the problem? You want us to go back to what? And what did it get us back then before we decided to join everyone else who buys trophies. Once a great philosopher said: “If you can’t beat them you might as well just join them.”. 😊
And do you also know that Newcastle, Spurs, Aston Villa, West Ham etc have also joined the big spenders league? Are they also trying to buy trophies?
Did you also know that poor little Nottingham Forest spent more than Arsenal last season? Are they also trying to buy trophies?
Now let’s try to compare the clubs that are trying to buy trophies / big spenders led by Trophy buyers in chief (Arsenal FC) and those clubs that are not trying to buy trophies. Where are the big spenders vs non spenders in the EPL league table?
I am just trying to guage your very well thought out postulate / axiom about what constitutes “Buying trophies..”..
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Mikel Arteta, the only Arsenal manager in our 138 year history to win 4 consecutive games against Man Utd.
And has he been given a golden trophy for that? A medal? Any recognition? Anything at all?
It’s not like we have once in a century achievement of winning the league unbeaten to be proud of.
But let’s not talk about those small things. They are minuscule compared to winning four straight games against United. What a feat 🙄!
Nope, none of our previous great managers managed to do it.
Two of them did manage to win a European Trophy though, managing to do it in less than 20 attempts.
Have ANY of our previous managers assembled a squad that went unbeaten during a season, gave us two decades of European football, oversaw the building of a new stadium and won numerous trophies HD?
I can only think of one, but I’m sure you’ll let me know if I’ve got it wrong again my friend?
One manager did assembly a squad that came so very, very close to going unbeaten in the League Ken. He also had to contend with lower attendances on two occasions, due the refurbishment of Highbury, all the while winning trophies.
So the answer, which you skillfully didn’t answer, is NO.
It’s pretty obvious that no other Arsenal manager managed to go unbeaten in a League season Ken, seeing as the only other time it happened was when PNE done it when becoming the first club to do the domestic Double, way back from n the 1800’s.
But that was only part of my question HD – the new stadium, the two decades of European football and the trophies won were also part of the legacy that was left when AW left.
Still, let’s hope that beating manure for four consecutive games results in the long awaited, but deserved, trophies, otherwise it means nothing really.
So? I don’t think anyone cares for that record (if it might even be called that). I don’t even see how it’s an achievement to be honest.
I know we are yet to celebrate a trophy (and it doesnt look in sight) with Arteta’s built squad but if we are that desperate to celebrate Arteta’s achievements there are manager of the Month awards.
Well we had to wait 18 years for the previous manager to win a trophy, after building his own squad…
The one who won a double in his first full season with another manager’s players and went unbeaten with a golden trophy with his own players?
The one who has a statue at the stadium? The one with OBE? Oh Wenger was so bad at his job and did unrepairable damage to British football they honored with with an OBE.
Who gets a statue anyway? Just anybody or exceptional people with exceptional achievements?
So the British government and the club are idiots to give such high honors because Herr Dierr knows better.
Since when did he go unbeaten in a season with his own players ? Parlour, Known and Bergkamp were already there when he rocked up in ’96.
The first time he won a trophy with his own squad was the FA Cup in 2014, 18 years after he became the manager.
*Keown
HD, you are firgettubg that both Ray and Dennis signed new contracts in December 2000, thus becoming Arsene’s signings (at least that’s how you told me to measure Mikel’s players!)
Martin was used nine times during the Invincibles season, starting the first three games and coming on as a sub for the remaining six.
I believe he was offered a new contract, but decided to retire instead?
Forgetting!!
HH,
As far as Arteta’s win record and 4 wins on the trot against United are concerned, there good personal mile stones for Arteta. But that’s all they are.
As a fan, I couldn’t care less about personal records regarding both the players or managers.
The thing I care about is this team winning trophy’s.
Doe’s any fan really think that in 30 or 40 years time when there reminiscing about the old Arsenal teams of said era’s.
And then someone says, I tell you what that manager Arteta, what a win rate he had it was the best of all the managers Arsenal have ever had.
Then another one asks, what did Arsenal win, and the reply is, OH they didn’t win anything.
All of a sudden Arteta’s personal milestone doesn’t look so good does it.
DEREK HAINE – perfectly put regarding the importance of the article’s point.
It also applies to the here and now, not just to the future – but still a great achievement that should be recognised!!
I have nothing against personal records Derek but winning 4 consecutive games against a particular club is not a record or something to write home about.
In my humble opinion.
HH,
I totally agree.
Personal milestones have there place and if that’s what impresses some fans then, fair play.
But like it or not, it’s about the team and winning trophy’s.
Something this club has been starved of over a fair few years now.
Are we planning an open top bus parade HD, after all, it seems to be something to celebrate…. but of course, no trophies go with it.
No, no open top bus parade Ken, just like there wasn’t for finishing in the top 4, even though the the manager said that that achievement ranked higher than winning a domestic Cup.
So my question to you HD is this – would you rather have had those top four finishes, along with everything that went with it, or would you say that being the only manager in our 138 year history to win four consecutive games against manure warrants more praise?
Personally Ken, I much preferred the old European Cup, where it was just the League winners and the winners from the previous season entered the competition. Gone are the days of Malmö, Red Star Belgrade etc getting to the Final.
Skillfully dodged again my friend! 😂
Like you I preferred the old set up, including the cup winners format.
So, come on now, what stat do you think benefitted our club more from my question above?
I think the utd of old, was different to the utd of new. One won leagues the other are a good mid table team.
Both Utd and Arsenal suffered from the length of time both SAF and AW had been in the one job. I think we are lucky that Arsenal are in a better place than Utd who’ve had a procession of managers, none of whom have been able to match Ferguson purely as league winners once, even with their spending power.
Arsenal aren’t there just yet, but have worked hard from top to bottom to give the club the opportunity to become real contenders again. As we are referring to Arteta in this article, it says a lot about his commitment and ability to have run Guardiola as close as he has and to have the record he now holds against Utd. We should be celebrating
Could it be that AW left the club in a much better situation than AF and certain sections of the fanbase didn’t realise that SueP?
As well as none of those managers were given 3 years of absolutely poor results, given authority to write off an entire squad of problematic as well as unproblematic players, given unlimited money to spend on players and being awarded new contracts despite nothing to show for the effort.
I strongly agree that Arteta wouldn’t have been able to enjoy all of that if Wenger had not built a strong foundation for the future.
The question is, if Arteta was to leave tomorrow, has he put the club in a healthy condition for the years to come? Will the next manager be afforded the luxury of writing off all Arteta players if they do not fit his system? Will the Kroenkes be ready to invest above 800 million again?
Ken1945
It is a real pity that we are all arguing the toss about Wenger and Arteta. I didn’t think this article was about comparing the two.
I admired AW immensely, with a small but. That was losing out for 2 years after an extended and incredible period in the top4. I have the honestly held belief that he had reached as far as he could go. He didn’t appear to think so, and it reminded me a bit of the prize fighter who keeps getting up, only to be knocked down again.
SAF got his win, promptly retired and left a massive vacuum. Overall, his record was greater than AW’s. I thought they got rid of Moyes a bit too quickly as ManU were a team definitely in transition.
I don’t know how to answer your question, because the year following Wenger’s departure was an opportunity to get top4 again and for inexplicable reasons, it all went wrong. I am not entirely sure that the club was left in a good position on that basis.
It seems to me that the P word was required at every level. The fact that we did not get back into the top4 straightaway rang alarm bells. The hierarchy needed to take a long hard look at itself – which it did – helpfully for Arteta. ManU under the Glazers looked like an institution that cared more about lining the Glazer’s pockets and increasing the value of the club, rather than success on the field, even though vast sums were spent on players and paying off managers
What do you think Ken1945
A debate about the team that Wenger left is one that I find really problematic. Generally, I try to avoid them.
However, it seems some people may be trying to gaslight everyone. It should be enough to state that Wenger was a great manager and leave it at that. However, to try to suggest that Wenger left anything resembling a high level, competitive team would be really taking the biscuit.
The team had some good players and an few erstwhile top level players. However it was in no shape to compete effectively for the league with the rise of the new powers in MC and Liverpool. We had already been knocked out of the top 4 for two years running and there were several other teams also on the rise.
Unfortunately, the club’s hierarchy did not manage his departure well which of course left a bitter taste in the mouth of many who supported Wenger for so long. This is understandable but people need to be honest about what Wenger left as a team. Which some would say was a mess.
I also just hate this over the Top BLACK or WHITE wenger debate. You can see it once again as always in this article.
As always some are very dismissive of Wenger and others are very Worshipful of Wenger. It’s the same old “Wenger was not that Great vs Wenger was the greatest” talk.
Can never get myself involved in such ridiculous shallow debates..
agreed…but you do get involved and sucked in everytime by some sad individuals – looking at you HH et al
Wenger was a fantastic manager presiding over a great era for Arsenal
Arteta is a fantastic manager who has taken Arsenal from embarrassing Man U levels to genuine consistent title contenders
who knows what the Arteta era will bring, but for me as an Arsenal fan (take a good hard at look yourselves some others) these last years under Arteta have been the most exciting to be an Arsenal fan in a decade
utterly pointless, utterly meaningless, and quite honestly pathetic and boring to be obsessed with elevating one over the other – they below to different times, but both brilliant times to be an Arsenal supporter
* ‘belong’ to different times
100%.
And I will debate anyone if we are talking objective facts.
What I can never get involved in is this nonsensical “Wenger was not great vs Wenger was the greatest” talk as that is very childish to me.
If we are talking actual Pro and Cons about Wenger or any other individual then I will debate.
Well said
The objective take would be that Wenger left Arsenal in a good finacial / economic situation. But on the other hand left the team in such a poor state.
Arteta, Edu and The Kroenke’s had to make a very financially tough decision of cutting our losses on the squad. The squad was majority deadweight and taking us absolutely nowhere. So had to just pay most of them to leave the club so that we could rebuild from scratch..
That’s just the painful truth to be honest..
SueP, I didn’t bring up the comparisons, the usual suspects did.
The comparison I made was between the state and the affairs of the clubs when Arsene left, versus that of Alex Ferguson.
UE, after replacing AW, took us to 5th and 6th in the table and a European final, followed by MA winning a cup final.
Sincere Fergie left, the story has been of a club in steep decline both on and off the pitch.
The stability Arsene brought to the club both on and off the field (matched by MA these last two years) has seen our club grow in esteem and within the rules of the game – not 115 charges or points deductions due to rule breaking off the pitch.
Such a different story at Old Trafford.
SueP, just did a little digging!!
Since Fergy left, there have been five different managers, costing them £40,000,000 – two new chief executives cost unknown – £1.4 billion spent transfers – no trophies until the two domestic cups under Haag.
Imagine if that had happened when Arsene left our club!!
Ken1945
Having picked up your message, I’m more than ready to draw a line under the whole sorry argument which gets waged over and over again about the worth of both Arteta and Wenger
Wenger came to Arsenal at the most opportune time and blitzed it. Since then, others have had their glory days but his achievements at many levels stand the test of time
I can’t keep repeating my respect for his achievements but neither can I honestly say that the end was not as good as it should have been. I’m sure it’s a typo issue but Emery finished 5th and was sacked before Xmas into his second season. Arteta took over a club that cannot be dressed as anything other than a club in the doldrums. This is what I mean about the vacuum and just as important, Emery couldn’t address it.
The ludicrous bickering between the Arteta in or out still hasn’t gone away. I’m too long in the tooth to want to get involved. When Arteta really balls up, then it’s worth the debate but quibbling over who had so much – or not – to spend is irrelevant. – imo
Actually Man U won 2 FA Cups, 2 Carabao Cups and 1 Europa League since AF left. We won 1 FA Cup since AW left.
Not disagreeing that they are shite, but the fact is their procession of managers did yield more silverware than us
Not quite right though to compare it this way sushi as during the time the Utd managers were in post AW was as well and he won the FACup twice – against Villa and Chelsea.
Just pointing out the mistake in the statement “Since Fergy left, there have been five different managers, costing them £40,000,000 – two new chief executives cost unknown – £1.4 billion spent transfers – no trophies until the two domestic cups under Haag.”
Oops sushi
I thought you were referring to me
Apologies
👍👍 Well spotted, but pleased you got my drift.
Like you, Ken1945 I consider Arsenal to be a well run club and AW was a big part of that. It brings to mind the profligate spending at Leeds under O’Leary and Ridsdale in particular who didn’t have a plan B and disaster followed.
Utd on the other hand seemingly didn’t care – just as long as the club still remained as a destination for managers and players. No obvious plan from the accountant bloke at the top. .. Woodward I think, other than to enrich himself and his bosses and at the same time to be fortunate enough to control a club on a par with Real Madrid which was never going to be short of world wide support and, therefore, money
I openly wasn’t a fan of the Kroenkes but for whatever reason, they have now brought in a much more suitable board and are prepared to back them, themselves and their manager – to good effect. Not a smooth ride early on but the P word is paying off – thankfully. A top club needs to work in sync and apart from Edu surprisingly leaving, I’d say Arsenal is in good nick
Agree completely SueP, especially the observation regarding the Kronkies.
Mind you, we have always been a well run club and I think the term Bank of England was often described as a way to denote our club way back in the 50’s – Am I correct with that HD?
Its always great to knock utd down a bit further.
The pertinent question still remains:
Does / should the recent 2-0 win over Man United this week on Wednesday night even count toward this record?
We only won because of two corner kick goals. We only play for corners and goals from corners should be banned, made illegal etc if it’s Arteta’s Arsenal that is benefiting from them. It’s unacceptable.
So I do suggest that Arsenal FC, Arteta and Arsenal fans should be punished for bringing the whole world of football into disrepute by daring to score from corners..
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Arsenal players should be yellow carded for winning corners. How dare they!!!
I’ve noticed a bad behaviour by a section of our fanbase. That whenever something is said to praise or compliment our current manager,they almost always downplay/dismiss it,and somehow manage to bring up past managers who are not part of the subject matter.
It’s almost like that toxic parent who will bring up the achievements of one kid at the expense another kid who is having their moment in the sun. Or the partner who keeps on bringing up comparisons with an ex.
It’s actually disrespectful to both managers. I’m not sure the great and classy Arsene would approve of his achievements being used to beat subsequent managers. It’s an article about Arteta and a record we should all be proud of. Give the man his flowers! And if you can’t,at least reserve the comparison/criticism to an article whose subject is actually comparison/criticism.
I wish I could have put my point across as eloquently as you Onyango
It’s even more saddening that it’s coming from an arsenal fan. Coming from Arsene and Arteta’s haters to be specific. How could an arsenal fan hate any of the two?
Chronicle, that’s why first time I’ve seen the word “hate” used discussing this article and the responses.
Who do you think “hates” either MA or AW?
The last, the best.