Arsenal currently possess several top players in their squad, and every one of them can rightly be regarded as an important figure within the team. Each individual has contributed to their recent success and continues to deliver strong performances whenever called upon. From David Raya in goal to Viktor Gyokeres or Mikel Merino in attack, the squad is enjoying an excellent season. Although many players are flourishing, a select few have produced particularly impressive displays in recent weeks. Their consistency and impact have been central to the team’s ability to maintain a winning rhythm.
Standout Performers in a Strong Arsenal Squad
Arsenal will be eager for the entire squad to remain fit and to retain their form as the season progresses. However, Paul Merson has identified two players who, in his view, are especially influential within the current team. These individuals continue to deliver at a high level and provide the reliability required for the club to compete in demanding fixtures. Their ability to perform under pressure has made them essential components of Mikel Arteta’s plans and has ensured that the team can trust them to influence matches in decisive moments. Arsenal take pride in having such dependable players in their group and will continue to support them as they strive to maintain their impressive standards.
Merson’s Assessment of Key Arsenal Figures
Merson offered his analysis via Team Talk, stating, “For how big the squad is and how good it is, they cannot afford to lose Declan Rice. The man gets better and better and better. He was absolutely outstanding and he ran Bayern into the ground. He is Arsenal’s most important player, one million per cent. But Martin Zubimendi deserves a mention too. He was phenomenal.” His comments highlight the significance of both players, whose influence has become increasingly evident throughout the season.
Arsenal will hope that the consistency shown by these standout performers continues as they attempt to sustain their momentum across all competitions. Their form will be vital as the club continue their pursuit of success both domestically and in Europe.
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On the eve of playing the German Champion, Arteta stated Bayern Munich is the best team in Europ, but after comprehensively beating them to maintain our 100% record in the champions leagueit could well be the night the North London outfit announced themselves as serious contender.
Ultimately, the gaffer has all his players pulling in the same direction. The goal is a premier league title and getting as far as we can in the champions league.
I swear that was said when we beat Real Madrid.
Just words at this point isn’t it lol
There’s something different about this outfit in the current campaign, their tactical maturity, squad depth and quality, defensive solidity and sure their mental resilience as we saw at towel gate.
Even the north London outfit harshest rivals, will tell you , the old guard is in trouble
So to clarify you think we are winning how many trophies this season ?
The priority one major silverware, the premier league big ears mug, champions league is a bonus and as you know, I rule’s out nothing
Dan here is just trying hard to fight for Wenger’s legacy. Hence, the focus on how much has been won etc.etc. Wenger and Arteta managed Arsenal in quite different eras and contexts.
Wenger’s history is there for us to see and in time we will see how accomplished Arteta will be.
What we can also see is that Arteta’s tactical nous is greater than anything we ever saw from Wenger. This is a painful reality for those who are still pining for the great man.
What we can also see is that Arteta’s tactical nous is greater than anything we ever saw from Wenger?
Can I ask then why in 6 seasons Arteta hasn’t done anything Mr Wenger has ?
It’s not protecting , it’s night and day
It’s protecting.
As I pointed out they are managing in different contexts. The current level of tactical knowhow of managers at the highest level is greater than anything Wenger had to face. .
Wenger is more accomplished than Arteta and is a greater manager overall as things stand. However, as far as tactics are concerned Arteta is well ahead of Wenger. This is to be expected as Arteta would have learnt from Wenger as well as other great manager that he has worked with.
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Another David special .
Wenger managed the era that he did. But in so doing, he showed himself to be better than most. Don’t tell me that a prime Wenger couldn’t have matched if not bettered what Arteta has if he managed in todays game.
Something I can’t prove obviously, but I’d say there would be a fare chance I’m right. I’d even go as far as to say, that had Wenger been in charge in the last 6 years and got the backing that Arteta has, he would have produced a trophy or two by now.
That said, Arteta is doing superbly so far this season. But remember we are only in November, there’s still along way to go. But hopefully this will be the season we get over the line.
Just a thought concerning all these pundits and opposition fans waxing lyrical about our team. Don’t be fooled, I can see right through them. If Arsenal fail to achieve the PL or CL this season, those same pundits and opposition fans will declare open season on Arsenal.
It’s all very nice hearing all these nice things about our team. But please don’t be taken in, their just waiting.
Big D, stop talking sense. You will get a reputation 🤣
And then the same saying Arteta is tatically superior to Mr Wenger will say …..’ trophies are not the only measurement of success’
Derek, if we don’t win the PL or CL this season, would you not say that questions need to be asked?
What, exactly, are you seeing and what are these fans waiting for?
Wenger was indeed a great manager. He introduced new ideas which were revolutionary at the time. However, we have no idea if Wenger could have achieved a similar level of success in today’s game. There would always, of course, be a chance in a cup run.
Wenger did not show during his later years that he would be able to consistently match the best managers so I don’t agree with your point about a “prime Wenger”. Wenger’s last great team as far as I can see was more than 2 decades ago when he had some of the best players in the world on his roster.
A team like Chelsea with 2 £100m players in their roster is now considered an outsider for the PL. Teams like Aston Villa and Crystal Palace have managers with great tactical knowledge and European pedigree. Look at the recent and ongoing strengths of the squads at MC and Liverpool both of whom have had generational managers in recent years.
I understand that people are emotionally attached to Wenger but the world has moved on. I am sure there were great teams when Wenger was winning PL titles but are they comparable to the MC and Liverpool of the last few years?
As for the pundits, I agree that they will change their tunes if Arsenal drop points or do not win a title. However, we have any number of fans who are just as bad if not worse.
Aha,now I see why Dan does plenty to discredit Arteta. It’s been about Wenger all along? That is strange feeling for me because I adore both Wenger and Arteta. Wenger is one of the reasons I started supporting Arsenal but that doesn’t stop me from appreciating who we have now.
Records are there to be broken and we should all be hoping that our current players and manager can achieve something greater than what the legends of the past did.
Why would being in the professor’s corner mean one has to demean the great work Arteta is doing…
What a slap in the face to every Mr Wenger has done
I can’t believe what I’m reading lol
No it doesn’t Crispen. God only knows why it’s necessary to defend Wenger’s legacy at every turn. The man did a fantastic job and deserves his legendary status. You’d have to have been on Mars not to recognise what his achievements were
What is absurd, is to assume that rating what Arteta is currently doing is somehow disrespecting Wenger.
Sorry !
Hr brought Wenger up and said …….he’s tatically superior
Another person said he will surpass what Wenger won
You won’t ask them why bring Wenger up
Moment I defend Wenger with a fair point , you know ……trophies , your like ……oh why you defending him ?
So to clarify readers are allowed to say Arteta is better and you say nothing …..
I say Wenger is better and you shock you pick on ….just me
Hows that not a gang
Step back and do right thing . Who brought him up ?
Then tell me what I have said that is wrong
So what have I said.that you disagree with ?
And the irony is when Arteta doesn’t win more then Wenger you won’t have the class to apologize
Arsene Wenger is factually more successful and am not going to be bullied changing my mind
Who with any credibility would say that Arteta is better? They might point out areas where they consider that he does some things better. They wouldn’t point out that he’s won more because that’s untrue.
They might point out that comparing the two is frankly pointless if the time span at the helm is wildly different. It’s impossible to judge Arteta against Wenger because he is still in post. He may well go on to manage other clubs and may surpass Wenger’s incredible tally. He may not – it’s likely he won’t but Arteta hasn’t retired yet.
As others have point out AW and Arteta weren’t managing in a parallel world.
All Crispen pointed out was that it’s not impossible to rate both men
Are you kidding me lol ?
I give up
Just a few Sue
Let’s see if you admit now that they made the comparison and if you can tell me why.im not allowed to do the same …..got more if you need some examples
Declan Rice recently stated, Arteta is destined to win everything with Arsenal and will go down to be one of the best managers in history, an achievement that would surpass any other manager, including the legendary Frenchman
What we can also see is that Arteta’s tactical nous is greater than anything we ever saw from Wenger. This is a painful reality for those who are still pining for the great man.
However, as far as tactics are concerned Arteta is well ahead of Wenger
So when you say who has said Arteta is better ……..there you go
Ok Dan
I apologise
So why do you only attack me for giving my opinion
They are allowed to say Arteta is better but I’m not allowed
Can you not see that’s picking on someone
No mate , I simply think it’s astounding to compare Arteta with mr Wenger yet alone ways he is superior to him.
Watch this though , when have I discredited Arteta
Pointing out he’s not anywhere ready to be compared to.Mr Wenger is not discrediting
The irony is the comment discredits Mr Wenger
I’ve never made any comparisons between the two. I prefer to just enjoy the work both have done for this wonderful Club.
For starters,Wenger was at the club for 22 years. He became manager when I was in diapers and left when I was in College. How do you compare that to someone in their sixth year?
Secondly, it’s a different era now. Because of TV money, the Prem is more competitive than it was 20 years ago.
Why are we comparing apples to oranges? Can’t we just appreciate both?
Is he an Arsenal fan or a Wenger fan?
Players come and go. Managers come and go but the Arsenal will still live on.
It’s not ideal to get too attached to just one player or manager in football.
As great as Messi and Ronaldo are, in like 5 years time I believe we won’t watch them play live competitive football again.
This was a very calculated, mischievous comment David, intended I’m sure to start the usual Wenger v Arteta BS it has generated. Shame on you!!!
I’m referring of course, to your 7.48 am on the 28th comment.
You just can’t mention Wenger & Arteta within two light years of each other without pi**ing off Golden Boy.
No you can’t say that someone with one FA Cup is tatically superior to the greatest manager in our history
Generally I think he might be trolling
That could be rock bottom for toxic positivity
In other words he can finish anywhere in the League and he’s superior because we wany to believe it
That’s like Arteta winning the tile and me saying Maresca though is superior
Why ?
Because lol
And don’t even try the …….well trophies are not the only way to measure success lol
Never forget that under Wenger we perennially lost to Bayern, conceding 10 goals over one tie at one point.
Yes Bayern were superior to us at the time but Wenger notoriously and stubbornly failed to pay sufficient attention to the defensive aspect of the game. This tactical blind spot is one of the reasons we consistently lost to the big teams,sometimes by embarrassing margins.This is something that doesn’t happen anymore.
Wenger is a legend and I adore him but let’s not revise history and pretend like it was always rosy during his time. I reckon if Arteta was to win two CL titles, two league titles and a couple of domestic cups, he’d eclipse the Frenchman’s legacy.
Mate I agree , he wins all that you got an argument
But it’s November lol
Also he actually beat Bayern or drew with Bayern a few times
Arteta equally got knocked out by Bayern
You know you encouraging this argument all the time make even neutrals to devalued the man whose legacy you’re trying to protect.
Even David that strangely started the argument admit that Arsene is superior. That shows that there’s no argument comparing the two. It’s clear.
Personally, nothing Arteta will win that will make me rate him ahead of Arsene, not even the champions league
Wenger was a.great manager in his own right and in his time. He’s historically one of Arsenal’s greatest managers.
Arteta is a better tactician. This isn’t trolling and it’s got nothing to do with so-called toxic positivity. It’s simple reality.
So why did one win things and the other can’t get over the line ?
Can I ask if he doesn’t win the title would you still say this ?
Be honest if I had said when he joined , ‘ mate in 2025 he will be a better tactician then Mr Wenger, and will win everything , more then Wenger did ‘
Would you assume there might be more then an FA Cup in the mix ?
It’s just odd that Arteta is better tactician but can’t do what Mr Wenger did
There’s nothing odd about it. They are not facing the same teams or level of tactical knowhow. Wenger was great for his time and that’s fine but things have moved on.
Whether we win a title this year or not Arteta is ahead of Wenger as far as contemporary tactics are concerned.
Of course Wenger is more accomplished. He introduced new ideas for his time and won more titles. Relative to his initial contemporary managers he was a god.
However, life moves on and better and more sophisticated competition comes along.
So Arteta does not have to win anything but is tatically better lol
Just words
I’m leaving it now mate as I think I see what Is going on
You haven’t got any examples have you ?
Your just saying it lol.
Assessing tactical ability is not just about titles. If Arteta goes to Bayern he picks up the league title every year. Arsenal are competing in a much more challenging league to win.
It’s also much more difficult to win the PL now than when Wenger became manager at Arsenal.
Part of the issue here is that quite a few can’t really assess tactical nous and therefore use titles alone as a surrogate.
Wenger was primarily a systems manager so if he got the players that could fit his system they could play great football. However, he sometimes displayed tactical naïveté even late into his career.
It’s not that Wenger wasn’t good at tactics. However, that wasn’t his greatest strength and there are a number of modern managers, Arteta included, who are better than he was.
Wenger remains a more accomplished manager and with time we will see how the rest of Arteta’s career unfolds.
You could compare their first six years and add up trophies
Wenger factually was better
Hence why it’s laughable
Would be like Amiron.winning the Cup then finishing 10 points behind Champions and a Man United fan saying he’s tatically better then Fergie ?
Because we are top in November
That’s not a fair comparison though. From Google I see he started with guys like Seaman,Adams,Keown,Dixon,Bergkamp,Wright etc I didn’t watch them but these are legends right? Four of these guys are in the Premier League hall of fame.He didn’t have to build from the ground ;just needed to add a few pieces like Vieira.
Meanwhile Arteta inherited a mess of a team in 10th position with unreliable defenders like Sokratis. The atmosphere in the fanbase was toxic and soon the COVID pandemic was upon us which came with its own complications.
This is not to downplay what Wenger accomplished in those first years. He revolutionised the English game and some of his methods were implemented league wide.
But to compare his first years to Arteta’s is absurd. He didn’t have to navigate through a complete rebuild, a fractured fanbase and a pandemic that impacted revenues hence the capacity to rebuild.
Onyango, an excellent post fella 👍. The back four were the foundation for the success that Wenger brought to The Arsenal. Rightfully you mentioned that Wenger’s methods revolutionary changed the game here in England.
I’m not comparing , other people are
I’m simply asking based on what have they seen to come to the conclusion that Mikel Arteta is tatically better ?
Again made up , go and look where we were finishing in the league before Mr Wenger arrived
Adams , Keown , Dixon , etc credit Mr Wenger for turning their careers around because quite frankly there was a unprofessional culture off the pitch.
Mr Wenger rebuilt with training and dietary methods . Many said it was the fittest they ever been .
As for a few pieces ?
Overmars , Petit , spotting Anelka
How about Ljungberg
Then Henry , Pires , Lauren, Campbell , Toure, Silva
would win 2 doubles and go unbeaten for a whole league season .
Go look how many league and FA Cup Doubles we have …….Mr Wenger got 2 of them
I mean I would say to do that you maybe would be good at tactics ?
So again what season have you seen where your like wow Arteta has done better ?
8th ? Our worse league finish in 25 years ?
A failure to get over the line in any title race ?
Last two exits in the CL when he let tie pass us by ?
Zero wins in the Prem at the Ethiad and Anfield ( where was these tactics that have surpassed Mr Wenger?)
Honestly it’s so disrespectful to the the most successful manager to our history for this comparison because we happen to be top in November.
Not just him but his players
Let’s win the title then have this chat
Like you’ve said, the comparison is disrespectful,that’s why I prefer not to do it personally. And I think it’s not just disrespectful to Wenger, but to Arteta as well.
What about the likes of Henry and legends of the club
Essentially a manager can do nothing and some fans will say he’s better then literally the most manager in our history
A mess of a team ,thought they won him his only cup ?
They couldn’t have been that bad .
I don’t know about you but for me winning domestic Cup competitions are not a good measure of the quality of a team, and that’s why even mid table teams win them.
Remember when Arsenal lost the League Cup final to Birmingham in 2008? Arsenal finished 3rd in league and yet lost to 19th place relegation fighting side. What does that tell you about cup competitions?
By the way I wonder what Dan Smith would say if it was Arteta who lost a Cup final to a relegation bound side. Or failed to win the league against Leicester who had just been promoted the season before.
Let’s just say both Wenger and Arteta had/have their flaws, but Arteta has a higher ceiling as a tactician imo. Time will tell.
But Arsene Wenger didn’t lose a cup final…. unless you believe he instructed his keeper and centre back to mess up a straight forward clearance?
Did Mikel lose the three points at Sunderland, when Raya and Gabriel did near enough the same thing?
OT Onyango, did you see the mess Bayern’s keeper made by trying to out do Raya as a outfield player, rather than actually being a keeper?
I’m still trying to remember when Raya has saved us from the position he was lobbed in the spud game – can’t find one example as yet!!
The one topic me and Ken have always agreed on
Respect for the most successful manager in our history
I think there’s a few others Dan, such as giving players away – Mikel’s first two and a half seasons – Disrespect for Arsene – David Dein – early Mr Kronkie – Super League – love of our club – JustArsenal – bound to be more!!
Here’s a question. Is it OK for Dan here to keep saying that Arteta took us out of Europe? I don’t see you questioning this kind of wording when it’s used against Arteta. Yet here you are questioning a similar type of rhetoric because it’s directed at Wenger.
No as long as it is factual
Factually Arteta ( great tactician) did take us out of Europe
Just like if we win title no one can take that away
They might just take city’s titles away Dan, depending on those 115 plus charges.
That would change everything regarding our two second place finishes and also how we view Mikel wouldn’t you say?
Despite over decades in Europe Wenger never won a European trophy. So his record of European participation is mainly of statistical interest.
Wenger lost 7 consecutive last 16 QFs including a 10-2 aggravate loss to Bayern Munich. Is that supposed supposed to make Arsenal fans proud? Because they were in Europe?
A very experienced Wenger took Arsenal to multiple thrashings at the hands of other top level teams including an 8-2 battering, one of the worst in history, at the hands of MU and a 6-0 beat down by Chelsea on Wenger’s 1000th outing.
These are all on Wenger’s record just like the titles he won. However, people generally prefer to avoid bringing these up in discussion. Wonder why.
Not really mate
Who’s every denied Wenger didn’t deliver in Europe
What does that have to do with the suggestion that he’s Arteta is not tatically superior to him
I was at the Arsenal / Birmingham cup final David and for Onyango to say Arsene lost the final, was completely wrong, as I’m sure you will agree?
I also witnessed Mikel’s first two full seasons as our manager and watched him dismantle the squad that had just won the fa cup and replace them with players who finished 8th two seasons in a row and out of Europe.
Now, I can see the difference between these two scenarios, can you?
To be absolutely clear, I have watched Mikel grow in his role to such an extent that we, as a club, are now being seen as the best in Europe.
He’s transformed The Emirates into a fortress and a cauldron of noise and excitement.
He’s playing the kind of football that Arsene would be proud of and has been for the last three seasons in my opinion.
If it wasn’t for the horrific injuries that saw his squad decimated, Dan would be applauding at least two PL trophies… again my opinion of course.
Meanwhile, we also await the outcome of the 115 plus charges against Manchester City and they won the PL in the two seasons I’m on about.
I think I have a much more rounded opinion than both you and Dan regarding both Arsene and Mikel, as I can now see both the good and bad in them.
Can I suggest you try and analyse Arsene and Mikel in the same way as I have?
I think I get so much more out of our club, both past and present, just by remembering that it was Arsene who recommended Mikel to Mr Kronkie and it was Mikel who paved the way for Arsene to return to the Emirates.
According to this kind of rhetoric Wenger failed to win any European trophy despite more than 2 decades years as manager and Wenger also “took Arsenal out of the champions league.” It is also valid to talk about Wenger losing the final to Birmingham (not the only final lost) if this type of negative portrayal of Arsenal’s managers is considered acceptable.
Arteta inherited his first squad and you have tried to sidestep this by saying he “dismantled” the squad before placing 8th which of course is not the whole story. Arteta did not step into a highly performing team and dismantle it. The team was performing poorly before Arteta became manager.
I don’t believe you have a more “rounded” opinion. You have generally always been quick to defend Wenger whereas it is only recently you have done the same for Arteta and only for the last few years. Whenever Wenger’s record comes up you bring up contextual issues but with Arteta the support is more limited. Here you have ignored the situation that Arteta walked into and agreed simplistically with the notion that he “took Arsenal out of Europe”.
You are not “more rounded”. You and people like Dan are simply biased in favour of Wenger although Dan is more obvious about it.
Some of us have assessed Arteta better and in a more balanced way than you have ever done. This is why he was supported for so long before the better results started coming in.
I believe I have always been fair to Wenger. I simply don’t have the same attachment to him as it seems you and Dan have.
Yeah mate
Difference is I’m not disagreeing , yes Mr Wenger took us out of the CL and never won a European trophy .
That’s factual
.
Doesn’t change the overall point that he’s been more successful then Arteta by far
David,
Maybe it’s time to bury the hatchet. To me, the past is often best left there. The fact that Ken1945 changed his mind about Arteta’s worth shows an open mind, whereas some are firmly closed. It’s fair to say that Ken1945 is an ardent Arsenal supporter through the generations so will have the respect and gratitude for Wenger’s achievements as well as recognising that Arteta looks to be the real deal in the 2020’s.
Ken1945, you mentioning City reminds me that Arteta was possibly cheated out of two Premier League titles.
David, how could support Mikel from the beginning of his reign as manager ( not as coach when he won the fa cup) when he was finishing 8th, creating negative records, giving away players, not giving the likes of Martinelli game time until injuries forced him to?
Of course I’ve changed my mind about him,, as I’ve seen him progress in the job and he has my 100% support today.
That’s why, as I do with Arsene by the way, when someone says he can’t be seen as a success until he wins a trophy with his players, I defend him to the hilt and give examples why.
You say we lost finals under Arsene, but we also won finals under him and, as Mikel learnt last season in the CL, it’s very difficult to even get to a final.
Arsene didn’t take our club out of Europe and neither did Unai Emery, the simple fact is that Mikel did during those awful early seasons – seasons that saw awful football, discontent, empty seats and a divided fan base.
He’s corrected all of these factual issues and deserves the credit he’s now getting.
As for sidestepoing the squad he inherited, that’s nonsense.
That squad got to a European final, finished no lower than 6th and won Mikel the fa cup… he then proceeded to dismantle it, got knocked out fa cup in 3rd and 4th rounds, knocked out of Europe and finished 8th two seasons in a row…. our lowest positions for nigh on a quarter of a century.
So don’t give me this waffle that I should have supported him through this time.
Yes, I have changed my mind, simply because Mikel has turned the club around from where he himself took it and, more to the point, carried the club further forward than Arsene’s last couple of seasons and Emery’s tenure.
As I said, I get great pleasure in knowing that Arsene recommended Mikel to succeed him and the rest is history.
Just enjoy where we are today and swat up on our history.
I am not really interested in whether you supported Arteta or not. That’s up to you. However, here you are really being rather economical with the truth as usual.
Arteta faced a difficult situation bequeathed to him by two of the top managers in Europe. A rather bloated squad with underperforming senior players. Several of those players had been handed over to Emery and even then some of us said the squad wasn’t good enough. The squad that got to EL and got battered had already been partially overhauled and was rapidly descending the PL before Arteta became manager.
You are making a song and dance now about awful football. What about the awful football by Wenger’s later teams that got him hounded out? Did you have the same kind of energy about those Wenger teams?
If everything was so rosy why was Emery removed despite getting to a European final. I don’t need to swat up on any history to remember the awful experience of that team’s battering. Are we supposed to celebrate getting to a final where Arsenal were so hopelessly outclassed?
Finishing no lower than 6th is completely meaningless unless one can see that there are plans in place to make substantial improvements. This was by no means clear in Wenger’s later years. The club was floundering and Wenger had been in charge of some rather underwhelming CL campaigns.
However, Arteta came with a clear plan which the club rightfully backed and those of us with better foresight understood and supported.
It’s curious how you are now trying to give Wenger credit for a manager you didn’t believe in. I bet if Arteta had been sacked you wouldn’t be saying this now.
As I have said you are not “more rounded” as you would have supported an approach that could have destabilised this club. In order to assess Arteta’s impact it was important to consider a range of relevant quantitative and qualitative aspects of their tenure. This is something some of you failed to do properly which meant you wrote him off quite early.
David, tell you what, you support the club how you want and I’ll support it as I want.
Simple really.
I wonder what Onyango would say if Mikel Arteta won 2 Doubles
Or went a whole season unbeaten
Or won more FA Cups then any man in history
Or got to a CL Final
Or played quality football
I wonder what Onyango would say if Arteta took us out of Europe to our worse finish in quarter of a century
Lets. just say factually Arteta has won 1 FA Cup so far, go look up what Wenger won in that same time period
Time will tell but like I said 500 pound bet he doesn’t win more then Wenger did .
He has 1 in 6 years is it ?
So needs another 10 to.beat Wenger
Even if you do law of averages , he won’t get close
Only one winner here…Just Arsenal with 50 hits.
Aye!
I find it hard to comprehend that this comparison rears its head as often as it does
Wenger was a legendary manager of Arsenal. Is that not the case? Yes
Is Arteta, the former rookie manager who’s grown up over the last six years, not building on the pitch? Yes.
Overall Ken 2945 …oops 1945. … I agree with much of your statement, especially the respect you have for what Arteta is now doing after the first couple of seasons which were obviously difficult. You more than any on JA have moved your position and embraced the turnaround. Unfortunately for some, such is their dislike of Arteta, that it doesn’t take much for them to turn, and they can’t do that if we are winning. A stumble and bosh, all the old animosity will rear up again
Me. I thought Wenger was fantastic. I believed in everything Dan does. I marvelled at the early years and saw top4 as a trophy during the stadium rebuild. What I can’t do is go on and on about him. He’s a very treasured memory and I can’t see the purpose of comparing him to Arteta. Any Arsenal supporter worth his/her salt knows his legendary status
Arteta is at the reins now. He’s the man we should be supporting and not looking for the slightest negative sign that the wheels will fall off imminently or harping on about the past. The article in which the ten incidents where Arteta cost us was as disappointing a read as I could possibly have had this season. Not a team in mid table or in a crisis – like Liverpool are currently residing in, but riding high in what read very much like an assassination. I’m sure Wenger cost us at times. Every manager will or has done the same. I couldn’t see the logic behind it.
Here we are, top of 2 leagues albeit with a long way to go. I’d rather be in this position than not and definitely not having to read the now wearisome stats on how much better Wenger was than Arteta is ever going to be.
Two excellent managers operating in very different eras, although Wenger did have certain advantages by joining Arsenal with twelve years of club managerial experience and having virtually no competition in the transfer market, bringing players in before he’d even officially started the job, while Arteta was initially named just as head coach and had to make do with what he had. I think he’s done very well, all things considered, and hope he’ll achieve at least as much as Wenger.
Sorry Sue, that wasn’t intended as a reply to you.
He won’t mate
Think of it logically
You know that how ?
Logic
Common sense
He won one FA Cup in 6 years .
So needs another 9 trophies to match Mr Wenger
So even if suddenly we dominated he either needs to win one trophy every season for the next 9 years or lots of doubles /trebles
It’s not even about Arteta . Just think logically that’s unlikely .
Put money on it ?
Literally any amount
If he is given the same amount of years Wenger was given, 22, he could well match or even better the trophy haul that Wenger achieved.
Yeah so I’m saying he won’t
There’s too many unlikely things that would have to happen
For a start , would he want to stay that long ?
Can’t see it
How do you know that he wouldn’t want to stay that long ? You’re just guessing.
No it’s one of the factors to consider why it’s unlikely
Most managers don’t get that long at one club
He won’t get close to what Mr Wenger did
The Arsenal aren’t most clubs. Who would’ve thought that they would keep a manager who had failed to win any silverware for 9 years.
Only time will tell, not guess work.
Well yes this is an opinion site lol
So opinions essentially are people making a guess based on the information they have
Just because something isn’t 100 percent factual doesn’t mean you can’t say you think it will happen
Factually we don’t know if Trossard won’t beat Henry’s record and become Arsenal greatest goal scorer ……but most would say it won’t happen lol
HD, buy you fail to mention he kept them in the top four and CL while the Emirates was being built.
He was also forced to sell players and then not given the money to buy the same level of player as a replacement.
Once again, Arsene is being measured by the nine years he failed to win a trophy – while all the external situations are being ignored.
Mikel won’t face the same situations that Arsene had in those nine years, plus he’s got the unprecedented backing of the owner.
As for the twenty two years, was it twenty that were spent in the top four of the PL and the CL, so even if Mikel does get the same amount of time, he won’t match those two amazing stats and, don’t forget, Arsene never finished below sixth in the PL, yet another stat Mikel cannot match.
Of course, he could beat the trophies that Arsene won and I sincerely hope he does, but, as Dan points out, it’s a very difficult total to surpass.
Then Sue , readers need to stop comparing
You got say , it’s okay to say Arteta is better then Mr Wenger but the moment anyone points out Mr Wenger has won more say you don’t want to hear it
If people are comparing I will compare
I’m not going to pretend just because it’s what someone wants to hear
Facts don’t care about feelings.
That was a slip up
Now building
I agree
Again I wasn’t the the one who made the comparison
There is no comparison. Wenger has won league titles. Wenger FULLY transformed the club into a title winning club. End of!!!!!
Plural!!!!!!
Wenger did fail in Europe (in my opinion) though.
Well fact!!!!!
Yes he did and fully deserves his statue and legacy
It doesn’t mean that over time the club didn’t need refreshing as shown by the unfortunate failure to maintain a top4 position which Emery missed as well. Arteta started the refreshing along with better governance at the top and today we look – fingers crossed- in the best position for eons to win something more than a domestic trophy. Time doesn’t stand still
Well done mate , the disrespect Mr Wenger gets on here is incredible
It’s like every year Arteta fails to win the title Wenger gets discredited
Should be other way round ?
You should name the people then as I haven’t come across anyone who disrespects AW. It’s virtually impossible to discredit his achievements
Sue for anyone to compare him with Mikel Arteta that is disrespectful
It’s basically saying you know all the trophies you won ….. An FA Cup is better
Sue and Dan. There is nothing to compare, Wenger did the job. He took Arsenal to the top for over a decade. Arteta can NOT be compared to Wenger. There isn’t a contest.
Arteta has a lot to do to even be allowed to polish Wengers shoes🤣 one is a legend, one is hoping.
I find that a strange comment coming from someone who is on JA regularly.
I’m not on JA as much but even then I have noticed comments that directly or indirectly disrespects or discredit AW like:
1) He won because of GG’s defence.
2) He inherited a better squad than MA.
3) He won because it was a less competitive time back then.
4) MA is a better tactician than him.
That’s just off the top of my head and there’s certainly more so to not have come across anyone who disrespects or discredits AW seems really odd
You raise an important point sushi but one I feel needs to be put into context and I’ll try my best to do that.
The examples you have given are opinions about certain aspects of Wenger’s approach or the type of players he inherited. Is it discrediting someone if he believes another manager’s tactical nous is better? You and I may not agree but the person in question gave his reasoning and at the same time fully recognised AW’s legacy. If another someone believes (as I do) that GG had a strong back line is it discrediting him? You work with what you’re given but these are not personal attacks, they are observations. Has anybody said AW only won the league because of it? That would be a wild stretch of the imagination. It’s no different from the usual criticism that Arteta gets from winning his only trophy because they were Wenger’s and Emery’s players and not his own. It has to be reasonable. Likewise, it’s not one person only making these observations and that’s why I asked the question. If it was and that person described him as lucky, had no real opposition apart from Fergie etc, and called him names then there are good grounds to say it’s disrespectful to his legacy and insulting. Lego head and Pep’s water boy I class as insulting too, but is it discrediting Wenger to even suggest that his earlier incarnation was better than the last few years? I don’t think so and nobody should be afraid to say so. Wenger’s achievements are likely not to be repeated in my lifetime, but nobody thought back then the double could be repeated. Along came Arsenal in’71 and proved a point , followed by AW.
Thanks for the clarification SueP. I notice that people often say that things must be taken in the right context. Yet I find contexts are just as subjective as opinions because even when we try to look at something in the same context, that same backdrop invariably feels different to the individual and puts a different spin on things.
I personally find the saying that MA won his only trophy using UE’s players is a form of discrediting MA because in that context, it’s indirectly saying that he inherited a squad capable of winning trophies but he messed up after winning and unnecessarily broke the team up to get his own players. Yet with his own team, he couldn’t win. Whether we like MA or not, he won a trophy. It’s disrespectful to downplay his success and imply he’s incapable of winning without the so called mess he inherited.
Saying that AW won because of GG’s strong backline should be taken in the context that GG’s strong backline could only finished 5th the season before AW took over and 12th a season earlier when that backline was in their prime rather than turning 30 and older when AW took over. What I recalled reading here was not just a mention that GG’s backline was strong but that AW won because he inherited that backline. That to me is discrediting AW for what he did to regalvanize that backline and added the missing parts to bring them from 5th to 1st.
While I agree that the tactics used by managers nowadays are indeed more advanced than that during AW’s time, just like science is more advance today than 20 years ago. I wouldn’t say scientists today are better that their predecessors. AW revolutionized attacking football in England when he came. Very few managers made that kind of impact and I don’t think MA is one of them. It’s hard to compare who is a better tactician but I can understand guys like Dan who feels it’s disrespectful to say MA is a better tactician than AW when there is such a huge gulf in their accomplishments
I agree with Merson. Like Rice and Zubi Chelsea have also best midfielders in Caicedo and Enzo so we’ll see who overturn who.
Dan wants trophies asap without supporting the team even in his predictions.
Remember peeps , some people will make things up for own agenda
My predictions this season …..
Man United 1-1 Arsenal
Arsenal 2-0 Leeds
Liverpool 2-2 Arsenal
Arsenal 3-0 Nott Forest
Arsenal 2-1 Man City
Newcastle 0-2 Arsenal
Fulham 0-1 Arsenal
Arsenal 1-0 West Ham
Arsenal 2-1 Palace
Burnley 0-3 Arsenal
Sunderland 1-0 Arsenal
Arsenal 3-1 Spurs
So I have predicted this season we would lose once ……we lost once lol
Ambachew,
What you say about Dan regards him not supporting the team in his predictions is clearly dishonest my friend.
Just have a look at the list of his predictions that Dan’s provided for you.
Now don’t get me wrong, me and you have some good post’s back and forth to each other.
But on this occasion I just felt the need to pull you up on you’re clearly inaccurate quote on Dans predictions.
I hope we can still be post buddies.😂🤞👍
Oh mate , I have noticed people just make things up as an agenda
This is only my opinion; I’m speaking for nobody else, but I think that anyone who’s offended by comparisons of football managers, however differing in achievements, or the likelihood of such, needs to seek some help.
I’m not offended mate
Baffled would be the word lol
I like Martinelli for example but if someone said he’s better then Pires I would be like …..what are we doing lol ?
Martinelli doesn’t dive as well as the legendary Pires did. What a player!
SueP,
Without the Pires dive against Portsmouth, the Invincibles would never have been.
That said, I don’t take pleasure form any player diving, not an opposition player or indeed one of our players.🤷♂️
Derek
My husband borrowed my eldest’s arsenal shirt and shorts to go to a fancy dress party. He wore a black wig and blacked up the Pires facial look and wore his snorkel and mask. I wasn’t best pleased, but it made everyone laugh
That said, I think, like you, diving is a blight on the game
SueP,
That’s another reason why I laugh that the players have the front to shake hands before the game. Now I know it’s a UEFA directive concerning fair play😂🤦♂️.
But the game then starts and for the next 90+ minutes a lot of the players try to get each other booked, or sent off. Feigning injury, times wasting at every opportunity.
Fair play! Now that really is funny. 😂🤣🤦♂️👍
I guess you assume on an Arsenal fan site we would all know a little bit about Arsenal
So it is strange on an Arsenal site to hear the most successful manager in our history have his achievements downplayed .
Yet if Arteta wins title why do I sense the same downplaying it for Wenger hype Arteta ?
Ken1945,
Regards you’re response to me in at 6-40pm an Nov 29th. Yes of course Arteta would have questions to answer should we fail to win the PL or CL this season.
But my point regarding the pundits and opposition fans falling over themselves to praise us, I stand by. You know and I know there’s only two reasons their doing it. One they are worried about us, and two they are just waiting for us to slip up. And should that happen, all this gushing will come to a shuddering holt. And they will then take great delight in Sh#tting on us from a great height. Excuse my language.
And David, my response to you’re post of 7-22am on Nov 30th. I to stand by my quote that given the same backing by the owners that Arteta is currently experiencing Mr Wenger would have produced a couple of trophy winning sides in the same 6 year period that Arteta has had.
I can’t prove it for obvious reasons, but I’d have a fare chance of being right.