Mikel Arteta arrived at Arsenal as an inexperienced coach at the end of 2019 and has remained in charge ever since. Despite having never managed a senior team on his own before, the Gunners were convinced that he was the right man to lead them forward.
Arteta enjoyed early success in his first one-and-a-half seasons, but Arsenal has since struggled to win major trophies, with their best performances coming in the Premier League rather than in cup competitions. This is now the third consecutive season in which they have challenged for the league title, which is a sign of progress. However, progress alone is not enough—at some point, that progress must translate into silverware.
If Arteta fails to win the title this season, the club must seriously consider whether he is still the right man for the job. That decision would be even more pressing if Arne Slot, in his first season in England, manages to guide Liverpool to the title. It would raise serious questions about Arsenal’s continued trust in Arteta, particularly when their squad is already in need of a rebuild.
There is also the risk of losing key players such as William Saliba, who may consider moving to a club that can guarantee him trophies. Arsenal has built a strong squad, but if they continue to fall short in major competitions, their best players may start looking elsewhere for success.
Arteta must take responsibility for the team’s performances this season, and if they fail to win the title, it should cost him his job. Arsenal cannot afford to keep waiting indefinitely for him to deliver a trophy while other managers, even in their first season, achieve what he has not.
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I think so. He has peaked and not evolving fast enough when things are not working. He is risk averse and that’s could be the reason he changed from fast flowing football in 2021/22 to the current slow sideway passing. His team is imbalance because he become defensive and invested too much in defense while neglecting the offense. He has to win PL or/and CL next season, otherwise he needs to go.
If title race is over in Feb we can’t say we challenged
I have lost hope in him. But I will just watch what he will do next season to bring back my hope in him.
The only excuse I can give him is the injuries he has had this season.
Kroenke like him so his job is safe and we the mere fans can do nothing about it. Period.
I might be alone in this, but it seems a bit foolish to me to ask for Arteta’s head given what he has done for the club and even more importantly, given the cards we have been dealt this season.
We missed Odegaard for an extended period of time, one of our most important players, and we have missed Saka, arguably our most important player, for a long time and now we have missed our entire front line for most of the remainder of the season. No team could deal with these injuries without dropping a boat load of points.
Is it Arteta’s fault we didn’t sign reinforcements this winter? We don’t know, but I am pretty sure he was begging for them.
He has turned the club around, we have a clear identity and we are now considered amongst the favorites for the title and can even speak about failure when we don’t win the PL despite 30-40% of our front line not being available, season after season.
Is Arteta perfect, no. Is he a very good manager who will not be easily replaced by a better one? Yes, IMO we should be very careful to ask for his head. Look around at some of the top clubs who like to hire and fire managers frequently and look at the names they hired and how they did.
Get some depth in our squad so we can easier deal with injuries, most importantly “please please finally address our biggest need and sign Isak” and, when fit, we will challenge for the PL again nest year.
This year is disappointing but being in 2nd and being disappointed, is not a bad place to be. Ask Man U, Chelsea or even City this season.
We have to stop painting it like he is doing us a favour.
1. He had no business being appointed Arsenal manager taking into account our club status and his complete lack of experience.
2. He did not deserve the backing he got compared to his predecessors who were 100 levels above him, and
3. He has been made the 3rd highest manager in the world, just to mention a few.
Is it too much to ask for at least a Carabao Cup AFTER ALL ARSENAL HAS DONE FOR HIM?
He is on treble budget but cannot win even a mickey mouse cup. We have seen the work of this substandard manager for nearly six years now and there is nothing to indicate we are going to win anything with him any time soon. The sooner he leaves the better.
HH,
I’m one of Arteta’s biggest detractors on here. And having read your piece, which I totally agree with by the way.
I don’t need to add anything more. You’ve done a good enough job for me.😉👍
I agree with you. He should leave.
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I totally agree with all you said. I was skeptical about appointing a rookie from the onset and I was right all along. Arsenal will struggle to win trophy with arteta at the helm. Had the board appointed ancelotti when he was at everton, arsenal would have counted at least two to three major trophies in the dust filled cabinet.
I HAVE LOST FAITH IN ARTETA AND WAITING TO SEE THE BACK OF HIM!
Well, this is looking at Arteta from a glass half full point of view.
I’m not suggesting firing him this season.
I suggest he should just see out the remainder of his contract and then leave if he does not win us a trophy.
SJ,
Are you joking. You say see out his contract and then leave if he wins nothing.
He’s still got four more years I believe. Four years to long if you ask me. 🙄🤦♂️🤷♂️😣
SJ,
Further to my recent post to you, I’ve just read on another post that Arteta actually has two years left on his contract, still two years to long as far as I’m concerned.
I’m giving him two more chances to redeem himself by suggesting he sees out his 2 years left because of the injuries we had this season to key players and he also brought us back to playing Champions League again.
Terminating his contract will be very expensive and that might result to the next manager not getting enough funds for incoming transfers.
Let’s see what he has learnt from his mistakes these past 2 seasons and look what he will get us this summer.
I will have an idea of him failing or succeeding come September 1st when the summer transfer window shuts.
We can cry all we want for his sacking but unfortunately, I’m 90% sure Kroenke will not sack him especially if he finishes top 4 this season.
But the league was lost this season in the first ten games, when we had our players. He deserves no more chances. 2 years playing this type of football with do me in. I hate watching the way we play. Its not losing football but guess what?
SJ,
That’s going to be another two years wasted by this once great club.
And the likes of Saliba, Gabriel, Saka, may just start to look elsewhere.
What a legacy that would be for Arteta to leave behind if and when he does leave.
But don’t worry SJ, maybe we’ll finish second again. whoopee!🙄🤦♂️
I pray he learns his lessons and be ruthless with his purchase of a proven striker and be tactically flexible.
Every indication is that he will fail again because he seems stubborn and egoistic.
But let’s just give him the benefit of the doubt and see if he just might prove us wrong and win a trophy.
He has a way of charming people so he might persuade the players to stay put and give him another chance.
SJ,
The time to give him the benefit of the doubt has well and truly passed.
And as for your comment regarding him charming people, well your right there. He’s been good at doing that for 5 seasons now.
He can talk the talk , but when it comes time to walk the walk, he’s found wanting.
Talking is all he’s good at I’m afraid.
Talking doesn’t win you trophy’s, having a decent sized squad with quality players does. Something Arteta has failed to produce in the main for 5 seasons and counting.
Benefit of the doubt, no chance. 🤷♂️
What has he ‘ done for the club ‘?
Spent 800 mil, thats what.
I completely agree with you mate. well said. Nothing more to add .I would definitely put the blame on the Arsenal board for not supporting Arteta. We lack in squad depth. We definitely need to invest in 3-4 players – 1 or 2 strikers, a left wing (nico williams), a creative midfielder. martinelli, Nwaneri, can always play on the right to cover saka. Keep Partey. Hopefully Zubimendi joining the team. currently there is no one who could come from the bench & change the game.
We have been hit hard by injuries and we already had a relatively small squad. Much of this would normally be significant mitigation for a team challenging for the PL against some of the best teams in the world. However such contextual considerations are far too reasonable for a certain section of our fanbase.
Those who want Arteta gone are mainly those who never game him a chance in the first place. Some of these so-called fans embarked on a vendetta right from day one.
That we have gone from being at risk of being stuck in mid table to challenging for major titles is now re-interpreted as mediocrity.
As you can see also there is a quick gang up on anyone with an alternative view. These know-it-all seem just all too happy to demean the players and the manager. And their plan for improving Arsenal boils down to one thing – replace the manager. As if that is all it takes.
We have seen some of our greatest rivals bring in some of the greatest managers and yet not make the progress they wanted. We went down a similar route and found that things are not so straightforward. Yet people want us to go back to this kind of approach. Or hire and fire approaches such as that used by MU and Chelsea who are struggling to regain credibility. We have some geniuses suggest that we should replace our manager with those of clubs below us in the league. Managers whose track record is not better than our own.
Yet these kind of ludicrous suggestions are praised by loudmouths on the site. Nonentities who have then have the audacity to call others apologists because they can see that Arteta has done a good job despite being an inexperienced manager at one of the biggest clubs in the club.
My bad ”one of the biggest clubs in the world”.
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Don’t hold back buddy .
David,
Loudmouths and nonentities, it takes one to know one. 😂🤣🙄🤦♂️🤷♂️
I bet my house and all it’s belongings this bot will leave this site the second Arteta is gone from Arsenal.
HH,
Can I just ask you who your last comment regarding the word bot is talking about.😉👍
The cringe mister above .
When were we ever at risk of being a mid table team David?
The lowest position in over three decades was 8th under Arteta (twice).
This is the kind of statement that is so misleading and, I’m sorry to say, shows once again how you defend Arteta at all costs, even to the point of trying to deflect criticism on to Wenger.
Reinforcements? Lokonga – 17M; Fabio – 35M; that is 50 million which could have hired a sturdy EPL player like Mac Allister or Sloboszlai or Bruno Guimaraes. There are games where were lost points with TP playing as RB. Plus 45m for Gabby J, 65M for Kai , that’s 110M for a striker as one or the other is permanently injured, when Isak cost NU 63M., Halaand cost 51M (in short Arsenal funded the Halaand transfer by buying Gabby)
I haven’t watched Arsenal as long as some, but the most recent decade is filled with multiple Champions exits due to Bayern and some very high profile red cards that have directly cost EPL Titles.
The players were coddled at the end of a Wegner’s reign and are undisciplined when it matters most under Arteta. The roster and tactics seem ok, but we’re never going to win anything with only 10 players on the pitch.
If Arteta can’t keep 11 players on the pitch for all 38 match weeks, he needs to go.
It is difficult to gauge what Arteta has achieved due to the dominance by City under Guardiola when Arteta ran them close and the injuries that have dogged this season plus the good work by Slot with a very good team provided by Klopp. I am sure that Liverpool would have done really well if he had stayed. He had the pedigree whereas one FACup doesn’t quite have the same ring to it.
However, he took on the job at a time of some uncertainty and with no previous managerial experience and has brought two top2 finishes and the prospect of a top4 finish this season. Is it a bad enough record to let him go?
Spot on SueP. Very well said. It’s difficult to understand why people want him gone and who do you think is going to replace him and win the league with less financial help??? The ironic part is that before he took over, we were struggling just to secure a top-six finish. Now that he has transformed the team into a competitive side, people actually want him out. Unbelievable!
Arteta is the reason we are even discussing winning the league. He brought us close to being a title-winning team. As always, the Arsenal board hasn’t been supportive when it matters most. The squad lacks depth, yet he still managed to secure back-to-back second-place finishes. Just look at where Man City is right now, even with all those top players.
Unfortunately, injuries have hit us hard, and we don’t have adequate replacements. This is the time to invest in 3-4 players if not more.
Gunner,
That seems to be the standard answer to anyone who dares to want Arteta gone. The good old and trusted sentence, but who you going to get to replace him.
Liverpool have done it this season with Slot, Bournemouth changed their manager and the current one is doing a fine job. Eddie Howe is another one doing really well.
There’s managers out there that are better qualified than Arteta to manage this club. It’s down to the club to find them.
I mean what should we do, stick with Arteta because we’re scared there might not be better out there.
If Arteta is the best that we’ve got, then we’re in big trouble.
You seem to be on a mission to criticise anybody who has a different outlook to you Derek. It isn’t a standard answer. I don’t think that Arteta needs replacing right now or even at the end of the season depending on how it finishes, but I don’t spend my time pillorying you or anybody else for wishing him gone. Your choice and no doubt when he goes and his replacement is amazing you and the rest will let me know. I wouldn’t expect anything less.
SueP,
I’m not pillorying anyone. You can have your opinions just like I can have mine.
But what makes me laugh is when ever someone has a go at Arteta in any context, I see people come on here having a go at the Arteta nay Sayers. But yet get all precious when the nay Sayers say something about the Arteta apologists.
Derek
This site has been virtually taken over by the Arteta out clan. I’m sure you and the rest will enjoy ending up talking amongst yourselves about the same thing over and over again until the hierarchy makes a decision to sack him.
Well SueP,
The Arteta out clan may be in full voice at the moment, but that’s because we don’t want to see the club except second best.
Which is some thing that’s becoming all so common under this revolutionary manager of ours. Still 2nd is better than 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th,7th,8th ,9, 10th and so on. But you don’t win trophy’s that low down. Just saying.
As I say, you’ll be having conversations amongst yourselves over and over again
But what your saying is ridiculous Derek.
You can finish 18th in the PL and still win trophies, such as the FA cup.
You mention Howe as a replacement, but don’t even consider the possibility that he might not want to manage The Arsenal.
So tell me, what has he won that makes him a better candidate than Arteta?
He’s been at Newcastle for how long and what has he won?
Every manager has made mistakes, bought bad players… but not one manager has given Pep and his city115 a run for the PL two seasons in a row… certainly not Howe and Newcastle, that’s for sure!!
Yet here you are, along with HH and DK, promoting a man who hasn’t won a thing, not only at Newcastle, but during all the time he’s been a PL manager.
Unlike those who say injuries are not an excuse, of course they are!!!
You can’t lose four of your attacking players (two of whom are out for the season, while the others are sidelined for months)
without it affecting the way we play, the selections and the results.
What you also seem to be missing, in your desperation to undermine Arteta, is the fact that we have scored more goals than everyone bar pool!!
We needed an out and out striker, that’s correct, but no one wanted to sell us their goalscorers did they?
Of course, you can pontificate and say we should have bought this one or that one, but has it not occurred to you that, perhaps, players might not want to join our club, or that the club they’re currently playing for don’t want to sell them, or that, perish the thought, the club hadn’t planned for four of their attacking players being out at the same time?
Arteta might not be the answer, he’s earning too much money and he’s making mistakes, the football is dire at the moment, but your constant attacks and ideas on what should happen, are easily swept aside when thought about – and Howe being our saviour is a classic
example.
By the way, your crass reply to SueP about not accepting second best… Newcastle and Howe have accepted less than that for four years and that’s who YOU are putting forward as your champion?!?! LOL
Ken1945,
While I hear what your saying and some of your points on reflection I can’t really argue with, and I wouldn’t want to.
As regards me mentioning Eddie Howe as a possible replacement, the point I was making there was to the constant posts I read of fans saying well who is there out there to replace him. That is such a weak argument.
Of course there are managers out there that could and probably would do a better job than Arteta. That’s what I was saying. Liverpool seem to have found a new manager after Klopp. Were the Liverpool fans saying the same thing about Klopp, and if they were they’ve certainly been proved wrong haven’t they.
Also regarding your comment about winning trophy’s regardless of where you finish in the league, I acknowledge that. But I was talking about the Premier League. And I’m sorry if you think my answer to SueP, was crass as you put it. That certainly wasn’t my intention, as I think that mostly me and SueP, share a fare bit of banter between each other in our posts. As I think she will acknowledge.
As for the injury’s I also except that Arteta is not Psychic and he can’t foresee everything. And yes he’s been unfortunate with his front line being decimated.
But on that note, I will say that his negligence in not addressing the clear need for a striker for three seasons now is fairly and squarely on him.
If reports are to be believed from last summer, Sesko was his first choice striker that he wanted. But Sesko turned him down. So what does Arteta do, he doesn’t have a plan B of a striker in mind, a bit like his lack of a plan B when it comes to the teams pattern of play also.
He instead totally ignores the need for a striker, and brings in two defensive minded players in Calafiori and Merino. Add those decisions to the totally unnecessary signing of Havertz, and then to compound that with the laughably bad loaning of a clearly spent Sterling is solely on Arteta.
Just one last thing, it really makes me laugh on here when I read people that have a go at Arteta get ridiculed a lot of the time.
But we had a manager, a certain Mr. Arsene Wenger who in his 22 years at the club brought them 3 League titles, 7 FA Cups, a Champions League Final, a Cup Winners Cup final, and 2 League Cup finals, along with some Charity/Community Shields, (and before anyone ridicules the C/C Shields, if it’s good enough for Arteta, then it’s good enough for Wenger).
All that success, and yes we went through a long period with out the League title, but he at least still managed to win the a Cup a few more times in that period. Even in his last 5 years. And with all the success that man helped bring this club, he got absolutely slaughtered by a large section of the Arsenal fan base.
And it makes me laugh that Arteta doesn’t get nowhere near the stick that our Legendry manager with the name Arsene Wenger got. And he won trophy’s. 😉👍
3 LC finals lol
‘but not one manager has given Pep and his city115 a run for the PL two seasons in a row’
Didn’t Klopp finish a point behind then win it next season
I think part of the issue is Arteta has done a good job but some have acted that in 5:years he’s done something amazing
Hence why those same fans are digging heels in ?
Reality is he’s a good manager but not great
Derek what you are seeing here is very mild compared to a recent past. These pro Arteta cult used to gang up on anyone who dared criticized the manager.
I experienced it a lot. I will make a not favorable post regarding the manager and all 6 or 7 of them will come out in unison and attack from every corner.
One of them even used to incite the admin to ban posters. Good thing the late Pat was too sensible for that.
HH, I guess your referring to the days when our greatest ever manager, Arsene Wenger, was being pilloried?
Or when Unia Emery was being given the same treatment?
Don’t you see that your doing the same with Mikel Arteta?
All three managers I’ve mentioned made mistakes and the supporters became toxic, either for or against each of them…. and what did it achieve?
I was as critical as you with regards to Arteta’s early seasons and I believe he was very near to being sacked after the 8th 8th and 5th results, but the owners and most of the fanbase sensed there was a plan within the club.
Some called it phases of course.
After the season where we finished 5th, the owners decided to back MA 100% and we saw some of the best football being played for many seasons, finishing second to the best team in Europe by five points. The injuries to Saliba and Partey played a crucial part in us losing out to city115, but the club had turned the corner and it continued the next season, with the gap down to just two points…. why can’t you see the obvious progress Arteta made from 5th to these two great, but heartbreaking, decisions?
This season has been catastrophic with regards to the injuries we have suffered – four of our attacking players out, two of them for the season.
With those players fit, we were (and still are) the second highest goals scored team in the PL!!
Everyone, including Arteta, said we needed a top striker, but, for whatever reason, we didn’t sign one. Perhaps the player Arteta wants didn’t want to move, or his club didn’t want to sell him in the January window and the club decided to wait until the summer, not knowing that Havertz would be out injured for the season.
Arteta has made some awful mistakes, as did Wenger, Graham, Emery, Mee and any other manager you care to mention.
The Arteta out brigade is just as unhelpful as the Wenger out brigade and, while we’re sitting second in the PL and into the last 16 of the CL, are simply undermining the club and dividing the fanbase – something you and I were so critical of when Wenger was getting the same treatment – so why are you repeating the same negativity now?
By the way, your point about someone asking for others to be banned – that’s complete nonsense, unless you can provide actual evidence.
Tell a lie enough times and people start to think it’s true, just ask Trump and his followers!!
I don’t know how you could stoop so low as to infer that AdPat was doing or would have done what you have written. The poor man is no longer here to answer your remarks. Shame on you
Shame on you 20 times. I have said the late ad Pat was too sensible to follow your incitements even though he liked you.
To paint it like I am accusing him of something is your usual wolf in sheep clothing self.
SueP, Just above I mentioned how Mikel bought the wrong players and here we are today. 51M Halaand, 65M Kai; 105M Rice , 40M Bruno G. 35M.
Pep and Klopp bought wisely. Last decade CFC splashed the cash but they too bought wisely and tasted success.
The point with Mikel is he trying to prove he is a genius by thinking he has revive carriers by playing the lads out of position, the Mr. Wenger type of arrogance he has to deny recruiting what the club actually needs, and paying twice the amounts for mediocre players, all combines have brought us to this stage. The table will look like – Pool / City / Newcastle / Forest or Arsenal
Don’t put too much store on what you think Arteta thinks of himself
I do think you are living dangerously by calling Wenger arrogant. I was proud to have him as our manager but I’m classed as being dishonest. Laughable really. I hope you don’t get hand bagged over it
Actually The Shola Reality Show,
Whether Wenger was arrogant or not is open to interpretation, but I will say that he has inadvertently contributed to Arsenal’s current lack of success.
I mean he is the one after all who originally signed Arteta as a player. Had he not done that, the club would probably not gone for Arteta knowing his connection to the club.
But I’ll forgive you Mr. Wenger just this once. Because of the trophy’s that you helped the club win.
And to the fans that haven’t experienced what its like to see Arsenal winning trophy’s under this current manager, there the silver things that the club captain lifts above his head when the team are actually successful.
Unfortunately Mr. Wenger, since your heady days at the club. It would seem that second place finishes are acceptable today. If we finish second in the league again this season, some of the Arteta fans are going to go into meltdown in their praise of his achievement. 🙄🤦♂️🤷♂️
That’s jolly decent of you to forgive Arsene just this once Derek, there’s hope for you yet.
Hope for Derek😂😂😂.
That’s the problem though peeps
Arteta never should have been compared to Mr Wenger
I remember once Arteta revolutionised Arsenal ?.
The issue is people no longer want to see how things play out , they say things because they want it to be true
The difference is Mr Wenger is the most successful manager in our history who generally can point to having to pay off the Emirates debt and selling his best players most years after leaving Highbury
He also could have walked away when the club were no longer ambitious.
If it was just about judged on medals he could have gone to PSG or Bayern but was loyal to us thinking all Gooners would be the same
Hence why he regrets not leaving sooner
I’m not sure Arteta legacy matches that .
He took us 8th twice and then 5th was called progress so fans on here have backed him and been patient .
I don’t agree he needs to go but don’t think it’s unfair if my peers feel that way
The reality is peeps January told you everything and will define us
If the Koronke Family didn’t care then they never will.
Equally anyone who can’t see that never will either
Dan, anyone who has compared Arsene to Mikel are deluded… in my opinion.
But that doesn’t mean one cannot recognise the positive things that MA has done at the club.
Only a few have described MA as equal or better than AW haven’t they.
You know my feelings regarding Arsene, but in all honesty, he couldn’t lay a glove on city115 in the PL, while Mikel has been desperately unlucky (5points and 2points) not to have toppled them.
Mr Wenger should have stepped down 2 years earlier, rather than remaining in his seat and watch his legacy slip through his fingers. I respect him for what he did for English football, for our club, but he was unwilling to change.
I will not lie to SueP, I respect Unai the most for his exploits with lesser known teams in the EL, he would have won it for us, but everyone knows why we did not win it.
Regarding Mikel, he has my best wishes as long as he has the club interests over his failed ideas.
As for Ken1945 reply to Derek, one should know that Eddie signed Isak at 63M, now has a value above 100M+. He was not stupid to be conned in signing rejects (Gabby 45M, Kai 65M), he signed Bruno for some 40M while Mikel signed Rice 105M, Jorginho 10M, Lokonga 17M, Merino 30M+, Viera 35M all of which have no resale value nor have they brought silverware to the club. In 5 years compare the spend of AFC and NU, and the difference is 9 points, It does not reflect value. NU are in a cup final we are not.
The Shoba Reality Show,
Your post was very interesting. You make some valid points to. 👍
But what has Howe won while managing in the PL?
Isn’t that the yardstick that Arteta is being measured by during his five years in charge?
You mention some of his Newcastle players and he’s made some excellent signings.
Wouldn’t you say that Raya, Gabriel, White, Rice, Partey, Timber and Havertz have also been excellent signings?
SueP,
You ask is it time to let him go.
It is if you want a team that wins trophy’s. 🤦♂️
Arteta apologists and their never-ending dishonesty. That very good team Slot inherited failed to finish in the top four just a season before last. but hey lets ignore that because it gets in the way of agenda and propaganda.
Before that the excuse was City’s dominance but can’t hide in that anymore (not that it was a good excuse anyway). How some will deny Slot credit to pacify themselves is hilarious to read.
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Absolutely HH ,pathetic attempt to put down a manager who’s come in without spending any money after finishing 8 points behind us last season and now sit 11 points ahead of us after we spent more money on 4 more signings .
Cringeworthy to say the least
The excuses keep rolling on it seems .
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It will be interesting then won’t it Derek? As much as you were not willing to throw a name into the hat to replace him; instead previously opting out in favour of the board coming up with something rather than you possibly suggesting a duffer, I hope that if he goes that they do due diligence as Liverpool have done. Emery looked good on paper.
SueP,
Here’s a name for you, I’ll be honest it wasn’t me who come up with it. It was on another Post that I read, I think it was from Dan kit.
He suggested Eddie Howe, although it would be very unlikely that Newcastle would welcome an approach, I think that he would be a good candidate given what he’s doing at Newcastle.
But as Liverpool are showing, if you look there are candidates out there, we just need to find one. Easier said than done, but that’s the clubs job.
Just another thought, the Bournemouth manager is doing well.
SueP, I’m surprised you think no coach can come in and do a better job. With the money Arteta on Slot will gladly ditch Liverpool to accept our job.
To throw in other names ; Iraola, Gasperini, Nuno Espirito, Valverde the Brighton coach etc
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Thank you Adiva
Iraola is one name I have previously mentioned having watched him since he took over at Bournemouth. It was a very difficult start, but without question he has done extremely well. Apart from having a successful period with Bournemouth, I presume you have looked at his resume to see what he has actually achieved?
Having employed Arteta on the basis that he was Pep’s assistant, the club took a huge risk. I for one did not think it was a particularly good idea. I have however, appreciated the good that he has done, whilst fully accepting that not everything has been so.
Nuno would not be on my list and neither would Eddie Howe.
You and almost everyone else on this site are all so certain that there is superior alternative to Arteta but can’t come up with somebody with some worthwhile trophies on their CV. You really need to put in some proper homework or take the chance that another winless coach comes up trumps. Liverpool did theirs but you named nobody of sufficient substance. I have no problem with Arteta going but only on the basis that a fully researched replacement is put in place.
If we name the coach/manager, would the board agree? Its their job not ours. Our opinions do not matter to them. Mikel has taken us from point A to point B, thank him for that, but wait he gets a huge payment, no favors done. Can he take us from point B to point C, yes he can if can shed that aura of arrogance and hire the right players at right prices, but he wont, he has his favorites and is stubborn. Verdict- he needs to be fired as he is to obstinate to see the obvious.
In answer to your last sentence and your verdict- I’m guessing the board will do what you expect them to
No they wont as the owners are seem to be pleased with him as they agreed to pay him more than Mourino, Slot, Inzaghi and Ancelotti. They seem impressed with the FA cup & the 2 shields and of course the tough tough one – Emirates Cup and Top4 Trophy. Should he drop out of the top4, he’ll be gone, till then he is safe. So, let us lower our expectations while City and Pool fight it out for the honors.
Try reading my answer again
Adiva, that’s six managers you’ve named, now list the trophies they’ve won while managing in the PL….
Great to see you back Ken and I don’t agree with a single post you have made today.
Were they given 800 million to spend on players of their choice along with being allowed to cast off an entire squad of a very good team?
at least they don’t bore their fans with boring football or hire flops and rejects or have CDM as a CF. What is put out for us to watch is some reality show scripted at the Sobha training ground.
Ken1945, SueP asked Derek to throw in a name and what I simply did is mentioned those that came to my mind. Though I did mention Slot and he was a winner with Fayenoord
If I may ask, do you think those mentioned can’t do as much job as Arteta is doing if they can’t do better.
Adiva
I’d like to think that there are names of potential managers who could be better than your suggestions. None of your names are bad, but personally, I wouldn’t want to replace Arteta with a manager who hasn’t won a title in a strong league
So we sack him today Derek and who will you bring in to win trophies 🤔
Don’t bring problems, bring solutions… you seem to have an enormous amount of the former, but none of the latter.
Ken1945,
Like the solutions your favorite manager brings.
Any manager that signs the likes of Jesus, Zinchenko, Kiwior, Havertz, Calafiori, Merino, and loans Sterling. Is there anyone who could find solutions to such terrible management.
If there is, then good luck to them. 🙄🤦♂️🤷♂️
Who said he’s my favourite manager?
Just more deflection away from answering a very simple question
I’ve criticised Arteta for his faults long before you appeared on this site and since you arrived as well.
Do you want a similar list of all the Wenger bad signings, or Fergies, Mourinho, Pep, Klopp or any other manager, including your, supposed answer to all our problems Eddie Howe – that
would take me about five minutes to do!😂
So let’s see the name of this miracle manager that you think would lead us to the promised land, while making no mistakes.
That, after all, is what you think Arteta should be doing. 🤔
Ken1945,
Again I’m not saying that Howe is the answer, it was just an example of other managers being out there, that’s all.
And yes your right, you show me a manager that’s never made mistakes and I’ll show you a liar.
And your telling me that Wenger made mistakes, boy some of his signing to were absolute shockers, to be fare. But the difference regarding him and Arteta is that Wenger’s teams played brilliant free flowing football, and Wenger had his trophy’s to back him up.
Something that our current joke of a manager hasn’t got and never will.
And as for your tired who will save us then crap, it’s not my job to decide that. That’s what the powers that be at the club are paid for. Something they got spectacularly wrong when the club got this joker in.
Once the club brings in said new manager, all I can do as a fan is hope that the right appointment has been made. And if it hasn’t I will call it out, instead of point scoring against anyone who has the cheek to criticize said manager.
Which is exactly what happens when you call out Arteta, the man with these phases and win the dog. What is happening to this club, and some of its followers. 😂🤣🤦♂️
So, once again, your quick with the problems but not the solutions.
What I get from you, is all one sided with no recognition of what he has done at the club.
I note that you don’t go to the games now, so let me tell you how he’s changed the atmosphere at the Emirates for starters., playing great football, players giving 100% and the feeling that the manager and players respected the supporters.
The Emirates feels like our home now and the reason for that? Two seasons of challenging for the PL title.
Ken1945,
I was just reading your piece to a moving bit of music that was only added to by your stoic support of the great man. Your fellow Arteta-rettes will be so proud.
And as for your comment about Playing great football, you’ve got to be kidding me. Have you been watching them from the beginning of the season. Pragmatic at best.
And the Atmosphere was electric against West Ham wasn’t it. 😂🤣🙄🤦♂️🤷♂️
Do you get a trophy for a great atmosphere by the way. 🤣😂👎
You really are playing with fire🤣
No SueP,
I’m playing with Ken1945. 😂😉👍
Atmosphere at Emirates was great last few seasons but not recently
Can’t agree Ken that we play great football
It’s been a hard watch this season
Dan and Derek, I suggest you read what I said – the last two seasons were brilliant, the atmosphere was electric and we were fighting for the title right up to the end.
This season is everything you describe, but unlike you, I remember the previous two seasons and ask myself why the difference?
We’re still scoring the goals (2nd highest) defending (2nd highest) so what has happened?
Simple really if you want to find out… it’s the injuries throughout the season, including four of our attacking players, all to long term injuries.
Add to that, the defensive long term injuries to Tomiyasu and White.
MA has made some appalling selection decisions as well, Partey at RB for instance, but that wouldn’t have happened if the above injury list hadn’t occurred.
I still maintain that if we had a fully fit squad, we would win the PL – the problem is MA has never been able to field such a squad.
I don’t disagree mate
I’m not saying Arteta out
I don’t think all Gooners are angry because we are 2nd
As you say many were supportive of that
I think it’s more January
It was the definition of waving the white flag
Season was dieing and our owners could have helped but didn’t
I can’t think of another big club who just give up like that ?
If these injuries all happened in Feb then I be with you 100 percent
Yet in January we knew Jesus and Saka were out for the season
Then you have evidence in the FA Cup and League Cup that we are struggling up front
The manager says , we are short in attack , we need help
That’s why people are upset
It’s bigger then the title
It’s confirmation that we have zero ambition
Is Saka out for the season? I know Havertz and Jesus are, but Saka and Martinelli are reported to be available sometime in March.
Havertz was out with just days left in the transfer window.
No ambition? Come off it, we’re in the last 16 of the CL, second in the PL, spent over £700 million in the last few seasons and are looking to expand the Emirates!!
Yes zero ambition
Was January ambitious?
Think net spend it’s like 20 million in last 3 windows ?
That’s being kind , is like 5 if I count obligation to buy on loans
To me we have gone full circle
Under Mr Wenger they only cared about top 4
8 years later ….only care about top 4
You strangely only thinks that good because we regressed to 8th
They have been terrible since they joined the board
No Dan, what I think is good, is the fact that Arteta has improved from 8th to 2nd and has maintained that 2nd spot for two and a half seasons.
On top of that, we are in the last 16 of the CL, another example progress.
Arteta still hasn’t improved on his disastrous domestic Cup record and he has regressed in his style of play, due to the horrendous injury issues.
You don’t see any progress in the PL and CL and that’s your opinion – I differ and quote the facts to you, make of them what you will.
When did I say he hasn’t done a good job or made progress ?
I simply said why I feel some are unhappy now because they feel in January we let the season pass us by
I actually have not been watching live matches since, unceremonious departure of le Prof, currently I have no passionate support for the club again.
However, I believe a careful, honest and dispassionate review of the last game, Arsenal Vs WHU, is the total summary of Arteta Managerial capability and pedigree.
He thinks highly of himself like some lord of the game, but what we receive is an inflated ego of a wannabe. The reason he was a runner upper in as many seasons now is he was building, not completing to win, so there is excuse, if other teams were doing well all along, for sure he won’t be second in May those seasons.
This season, he will not cruise to that familiar 2nd, I am telling you that for free
So he “cruised” to second spot then?
Nothing to do with his squad being better than the other sixteen clubs they finished above?
I wonder what the reaction will be if city115 are found guilty and deducted points, points that would have made us champions two seasons in a row?
Would we have “cruised” to the titles then?! 🤔
But they didn’t ?
That’s like saying if we wake up tomorrow and Salah fails a drugs test and Liverpool get a points deduction making us champions is that great ?
It didn’t happen
Ken1945,
You say City 115. Lets go down that route shall we. And don’t get me wrong, if there proved to have done anything wrong then they should be dealt with in the strongest possible terms.
How about we take a closer look at our team shall we. We originally got in the League not by footballing means, but with the aide of a brown envelope. In other words we bought our way into the League. (Read the book, Rebels for the Cause written by Jon Spurling. It’s a real eye opener on our club down the years). And it explains one of the reasons why Spurs don’t like Arsenal amongst the other obvious reasons.
Now although they we’re originally from the south side of London, I’ve only known them in the North London years. So that doesn’t really bother me, (Anyone who questions me on it, I just say that North London wanted another good team to join Barnet as the other North London team😂👍).
But there’s no doubt about it, over the years of Arsenal’s success it is a little bit tainted for me, knowing how they originally got into the League by non footballing matters.
So as the saying goes, those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
And those without sin cast the first stone.
Having read the book I’ve recommended to you, some of the things I’ve learnt about our club is as I say, eye opening.
What’s any of that got to do with the last two seasons, where city115, while under investigation for 115 charges of breaking PL rules, beat Arteta’s squad of players by just five and two points?
We are currently living in the season 2024 – 25 not back in the last century and beyond!!
I’ve read and produced an article for JA covering the time when we were, supposedly, handing out Brown envelopes, but nothing, I repeat, nothing was ever proven.
The investigation into the alleged 115 charges facing city have been ongoing for over two years and the verdict is expected very soon.
Let me ask you this Derek, if city115 are found to have broken the rules, would you then say that our club was robbed of two PL titles?
Ken1945,
Talk about being selective. It may have nothing to do with now. But my point was don’t be quick to point the finger. History shows our club not to be whiter than white, that’s all I was saying.
But if you prefer to sweep it under the carpet, then fine you do that. It doesn’t alter the fact that it happened though does it. And just because you say nothing was ever proven also doesn’t mean it didn’t happen either.
Not from a football sense no, because right or wrong they still won it on the pitch.
Derek, you’re upset about something that allegedly happened over 100 years ago. And although it’s probably true (knowing Norris’ other dodgy dealings) nothing was ever proven. You just can’t find enough anti Arsenal stuff can you. Why don’t you just fcuk off?
Ken1945,
If City have done wrong and say had the League titles taken from them, are you telling me that you’d be happy to have won the League by default.
Now I know if City are guilty, they should be punished. But right or wrong they won the League by playing football and good football that.
For me, it would be a hollow victory. I want us to win the League, not be given it by default.
Of course you wouldn’t want that, as it would ruin your message regarding Mikel Arteta!!
Let’s put it this way, if city115 are found guilty and they were able to sign players, using backhanders, wouldn’t you say they achieved their successes by breaking the rules, so therefore should be punished accordingly and ALL other PL clubs should benefit accordingly?
Ken1945,
Don’t talk about back handers. Arsenal clearly have a history in that area along with other teams no doubt.
Oh give it a rest Ken
I’ve known you long enough and know your tac when it comes to comments mate .
This all new you pretending that your behind Arteta,give it a rest ,newer fans might believe that sh1t ,I’ll give it to you straight as I’ve always done ,a load of b0llocks .
Personally wouldn’t have interfered but you mentioned my name above about a new manager so here I am once again .
Oh and the whole getting fans banned which Our good old friend HH mentioned,just scroll up to see the clown trying it on again ,you asked him if he could provide evidence,maybe he cannot be I certainly can regarding said poster.
Said posters words !
“Your lucky HH I don’t get you banned “
Already got an old poster banned (Phil)
So yes HH wasn’t lying .
I was once asked if I could be asked not to predict Arsenal to lose as it was toxic lol
Mate ,I once got told to hang myself along with my family on JA because I said Iwobi was sh1t.
Cannot even say words like “handbags “”big girls blouse “
Give me a good old days .
Also agreed with Ken’s new views. He might have noble intentions but he was there when the said person wanted to control others opinions.
Thanks Dan. She is now accusing me of saying something bad against the late Pat.
I do not think so,how do you expect him to win the league without,good quality forward players that guarantee 20 and more goals, in january we waited and nothing happened,dispute injuries, let him get the very best and judge him then, ,even smaller team ,were able to buy and loan,so, arsenal owner is to blame ,pretty much for doing nothing,Mikel has done fairly well,but our expectations ,as funs is success now, but arsenal, is wanting,imagine facing a quality forward line of real,barca,Liverpool, they are forced to defend,and how can a team win without investing?,let give him the best,
very well said Sam. brilliant.
This is entirely ridiculous. People were moaning at 4th place being a trophy etc. etc. under Wenger, then when he went, we suffered a prolonged period out of the Champions League until Arteta. Who are you going to get if you get rid of Arteta? I can tell you right now, he’d be snapped up by all the top clubs in Europe. Yes it’s frustrating, and believe me having watched it year after year for 20 years to be so close yet so far is so annoying, and it makes it even worse that two years in a row our EPL ambitions have been destroyed by a below average West Ham, but would changing manager help us? Of course not. Getting in a proper sporting director might help, Notting Forest have benefited off Edu going there. Our problem has been players, and Arteta does not participate in the recruitment process.
Forest were already flying long before they even considered hiring Edu because they changed manager. Another dishonesty from Arteta apologists.
😆 notts forest have actually dropped off since edu rolled up .that’s hilarious
Also your last sentence,Are you actually saying Arteta as no say in new players ?
You know he’s now been Promoted to manager rather than coach .
Let me guess all the best players were Artetas recommendations and all the crappy players were edus ,remember reading a certain Arteta fan saying Mari was an edu signing ,strange as Arteta coached him at Man City 😆some lengths fans will go to excuse him of any wrongdoing
If Liverpool can get an instant replacement for Klopp within a short period of time, I think we have no excuse not to get someone better than Arteta before the start of next season I we want to.
Well in the past, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City have done it. Only us and utd have failed.
Arteta does not participate in the recruitment process my ass
‘ we suffered a prolonged period out of the Champions League until Arteta’
Correction – before Arteta we had 3 seasons outside the top 4
Then under Arteta we had …..3 seasons outside the top 4 actually regressing and eventually no Europe at all.
Then he took us back to top 4
This idea that he changed the word is the issue
5 years in one trophy to our name under his management,signed 36 players spent whatever he’s spent (a lot) given countless players away or for stupid low fees ,cup runs pathetic every season ,only thing going for him is that he’s had 2 2nd place finishes and maybe again this season ,but personally cannot see the big deal of replacing him ,so many managers that could and would have done just as good a job if not better with those resources.
I will give him one thing going for him ,he’s a great talker ,apart from that MEH .
Would love to see Eddie Howe come in (for all the idiot fans asking who would you replace him with )
If not him plenty more fish in the sea .
Dan Kit,
I find myself agreeing with you again. Well said. 👍
Proof is in the pudding. 5 years no return the last 3, 2nd and no sign of any better. His cup runs are a thing of legend, they are so bad. There is no more to come. We are just wasting time now.
I said shortly after arteta joined that even if he ultimately fails the changes he’s made will turn out positive – the squad he inherited was very talented but there was a something weak and unprofessional about them to me, which I don’t sense so much now. I do believe he tells them we’re going for the title and I do believe they are all devastated when things go wrong – completely different from the 10 years that preceded his joining imo, where I felt they took to heart the idea that fourth was good enough.
That said, I do think that arteta has ultimately failed, and should be moved on at the end of the season – he’s done the hatchet man job, and had a go at trying to take us on further, but I think he’s had enough time now, with respect. If they find the right manager to take over now, I think there’s a real opportunity to go for titles and trophies, but if they linger, we’ll start to lose some of the key players and things will get a lot more difficult. It will require another rebuild, rather than building on top of some currently pretty good foundations.
A very well balanced view 👍
When analysing Arteta’s record at Arsenal I think we have to consider what he has achieved in terms of a.Winning trophies b.his tactical process which includes the quality of performance and entertainment value and 3.his recruitment record.Sadly the trophy cabinet has rarely been used during the past 5 years and is likely to remain empty this season.As to tactics,basically Arteta continues to use the possession based system he witnessed during his time with Pep, with more emphasis on deploying natural centre backs as inverted full backs which creates more congestion in the midfield area and places more pressure on our wingers to create space out wide.Very little in the way of interchanging takes place between the front three, and as a consequence our attacking play has become predictable.I could go on about the Manager’s penchant of trying to put square pegs in round holes but I’m sure most fans on JA will be fully aware of this.With regard to recruitment, this to me is where Arteta has failed miserably.Of the 28 players signed during his time at the helm, in my opinion only seven have been fully up to scratch, namely,Raya,Rice, Timber,White,Odegaard,Partey and Gabriel.I don’t think Saliba was signed by ME but I may be wrong.In any event,7 from 28 is a pitiful return and the financial implications alone would raise alarm bells if I was an owner who had backed the Manager.In mitigation, there are a number of Clubs in England who are less competent when it comes to recruitment, and in this regard they could learn a lot from the likes of Brighton, Bournemouth and Brentford.Given the investment made by the Owners and the lack of real success during the last 5 years,I suspect our Board will be less than enamoured with MA particularly if we slip out of the top 4/5 which regrettably is a distinct possibility with our current injury problems.The next month or two will be critical to the future of Arteta with Arsenal but at the end of the day I get the impression that our current Manager will, rightly or wrongly still be leading us into next season.
I don’t know what would be considered a good success rate for signings, in the sense of being fully up to scratch, but I’d say it’s a little more complicated – for example, trossard may not be perfect, but I think he’s been a good signing for the squad and has contributed quite a bit without being outstanding. Tomiyasu as well has done quite well and I’d never be really worried seeing him in the team – he’s just been extremely unlucky with injuries (which maybe we could have seen coming, but I doubt anyone would have predicted it would have been as bad as it’s been for him). I’m sure there are others I would defend a bit on similar grounds.
I think the bigger issue is the sheer amount we’ve spent on poor signings (which I know you eluded to) – players like Vieira, lokonga and others might have been ok had we paid a low amount with the understanding it might not work out, but we spent a lot on those players. I had thought we must have really done our homework on Vieira because he came out of nowhere, but now I find it hard to believe (I really can see the quality, but had we done our homework we’d surely have had a better idea of how he would adapt), and we seemingly signed lokonga for close to 20m(?) just because kompany recommended him – bizarre. Similarly, spending a relatively large amount on ramsdale, only to replace him when the one he really wanted became available – we may as well have kept leno during that period. Just wasteful. And that’s without going into the crazy contracts we’ve apparently given out at times just to have players fill a bench space for an extra year.
(Saliba was signed before arteta joined under emery, I think – not that I think emery had much to do with it)
What ever been said. My opinion remain kronke and Arteta should leave our club before the club leaves us. A league 2 team knows the important of having a striker but a arsenal team can’t spend on striker. In the next foreseeable years except we got a division one team in the final no trophy. How will u play UCL without a striker. Ow will u win the rest of ur games without a striker and good team. What ever Arteta is saying he is one hell of a joker who has lost it. Stan and Josh are worst. Shame on those who made our arsenal worse…
Yeah right! We had strikers but then again you were too blind to see, Gabriel Jesus is a striker, out injured with an ACL, Havertz striker out injured with a torn hamstring, then we have two wingers Martinelli and Saka both injured with various versions of hamstring issues. Surely Arteta is a physic and should have foreseen his entire front 4 getting injured at the same time. I get the disappointed and maybe anger but learn to be objective.
In total agreement, thank you for seeing the other side of the coin
Such shallow writing with so little consideration of our cicumstances, Arteta has done an amazing job if you consider where our squad was only a few years ago, he had to rip up a team full of lazy egos and start fresh, which takes time unless you are playing CM. We could have won the league last 2 seasons, but Man City were at their peak, it was so close though. The one season they dip now and we have the worst luck ever with so many injuries to our best players, and corrupt / biased referee decisions, lost us at least 8 points. Not even Liverpool nor Man City could survive that. You need to take things into context. And btw, Slot is not rebuilding, his starting block is a team full of experienced winners already, he is playing the same players as Klopp. His rebuilding will start probably after this season as some of their best players are on final year contract.
I can’t say I am content with Arteta, but I am not looking for his head on a Pike either, just yet. That said, it looks like the ‘Wenger Trophy’ (top four) will be the only trophy this season, that being the case, I am sharpening the axe.
Couldn’t agree more with Grandad regarding the pluses and minuses of Arteta’s reign. Despite this my jury is still out on whether or not he deserves one more year. Perhaps I’m just over cautious although I hate Arteta ball and am 95% confident the won’t win us the league next season. Not with the potential deadwood he has accumulated and his fascist tendency to choose players on the basis of whether or not they would make a good son in law. One piece of advice from a novice: ditch your technical team, and spend more of your practice time on playing football rather than practicing set pieces.
Ridiculous question. Without the attackers, and stupid refereeing decisions that are only given to Arsenal, what else should Arteta do? Entitlement is the problem with some fans, it clouds judgment and objectivity. You think just cause 11 bodies were put together a game of football should be won. Look at our attack currently, we have 4 players out with long-term injuries, please tell me all of you saw this coming except for Arteta and the Kroenke’s. We have Nwaneri, blossoming well but way too early to bestow such responsibility on his shoulders, we have Moreno, a CM playing as a make-shift striker for the first time is his career.
With the tools at his disposal, i think we are doing well to be second, give credit where its due. Some like to throw their toys out after a loss or disappointment but context is needed. No team loses their entire attackers and wins anything.
Blame Arteta for no signing anyone but should he force clubs to sell to us when they don’t want to? kidnap players so they come play for Arsenal or waste huge sums on a stop gap whom we cant move on large wages next season affecting our potential masque signings.
Arteta is not to blame, we are enjoying most of our football, while navigating injury curses, bias officiating and we honestly have enough negativity from the United Ex players running their mouths every single time.
COYG!!
JuiceJ,
Yet another conspiracy theorist. Jog on mate.
Santiago Giminez, Mika Biereth, Randall Kolo Maoni moved this winter, please tell me is Sterling and Trossad better then the above players? Ollie would have moved had we made a bid when the winter window opened. Victor would have moved if he was offered the chance. He would be our very own version of Drogba – a match winner instilling fear in the likes of WHU or teams in the lower half of the table
OK, I have now closed the comments on this particular post, it is starting to get personal and the name of Pad is starting to creep in and be used as a football to settle arguments, I will not allow that to happen.
I advise all parties to stop attacking each other, Pat laid out some excellent guidelines on how to conduct yourselves on here and I will honour his wishes so please, I beg you all, do not force me to step in, it is unfair and unnecessary.
I suggest that everyone becareful how they speak to each other and how they invoke Pat’s name.
I am not picking on any individual here but refering to people as deluded, Arteta apologists etc is not welcomed on here, make your arguments in a civil manner please.
In conclusion, stop using Pat’s name in arguments, stop insulting each other and honour Pat;s wishes and conduct yourselves in a polite manner and allow your arguments to do your talking.
Thank you