It’s possible that Jorginho’s time at the Emirates Stadium is coming to an end. Football Insider reported the other day that the Italian midfielder sought more than a one-year contract extension; he wanted a two-year contract extension. This news offered the Gooners hope that there was a conversation over Jorginho’s future, with rumors of Arsenal having an offer for the midfielder on the table. Apparently, Arsenal were offering Jorginho a one-year extension, with the option for another year.
However, now Calciomercato says that Arsenal has ‘left the group’ in terms of conversations concerning Jorginho’s contract renewal.
According to the Italian daily, Jorginho is seriously considering returning to Italy, where he was a success with Napoli before joining Chelsea in the Premier League.
Though he has only started eight Premier League games this season, he has proven to be a valuable asset when called upon. The 32-year-old’s brilliance was integral to Arsenal’s 3-1 victory over Liverpool last month (4 February) and 4-1 victory over Newcastle United (24 February).
He has also started the last three league games, all of which have been comfortable victories for Arsenal in their bid for the league title.
Arsenal has advanced to the Champions League quarterfinals, and it would be unfair not to appreciate Jorginho’s performances in that competition. He has played in seven games and captained the team twice.
In addition to his skill on the field, fans have seen him coaching his fellow Gunners, either while warming up or on the field in games. For sure, it would be unfortunate for Arsenal if Jorginho left.
That said, Calciomercato reports that Juventus is closely monitoring his situation and could offer him a platform to return and excel in Serie A, and with regular game time in Italy he is more likely to be picked for his international side, which is very important to the veteran.
Although I would very much like Jorginho to stay at the Emirates, I fully understand him wanting to get one last big contract before he retires, and his recent form suggests he would be a great asset to his country as well…
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So do you understand why The Arsenal aren’t offering him a two year contract as well then?
Because I don’t!!
I will gladly tell you why KEN. It is because each season that goes by, our squad is improved, by letting older or injured or less productive players leave and replacing them with younger rmore reliably fit and with more years ahead of them than the ones we let go.
It seems obvious to me that Jorginho fits into the category we will let go and whom we will limprove upon with an incoming playerthis summer.
MA IS UTTERLY RUTHLESS IN THIS QUEST. AND THAT IS ONE, AMONG MANY OTHER REASONS, WHY I SAY HE IS SO SPECIAL A MANAGER.
Let’s see if your correct on THIS prediction shall we Jon?
You ask “shall we”, Ken, as if there is any other way than shall we.
Of course we WILL see, either one way or the other. No “shall we” about it.
Everything I write and you and everyone else writes,unless they write undoubted facts, ARE OBVIOUSLY ONLY OUR OPINIONS.
THAT IS SURELY THE WHOLE RAISON D’ETRE OF A FANSITE??
It is plainly my OPINION that Jorginho was only ever bought as a stop gap, as we could not , at that time, afford a better, younger player . I agree , he HAS done very well, but he remains an ageing and not regularly chosen player. Which are MY reasons for writing MY OPINION.
Well JON, your OPINION isn’t mine, nor, more IMPORTANTLY, was it Mikel Arteta’s was it?
You quite CLEARLY said that MA replaced OLDER players with YOUNGER players, then cover your OBVIOUS mistake by saying we couldn’t AFFORD a better younger player.
JUST remind me JON, who much did HAVERTZ , RICE and TIMBER cost the club?
Was it somewhere in the region of £200,000,000 PLUS?
YET, according to you, we couldn’t AFFORD players!!
You see JON, LOGIC is what I try to use, not rhetoric and BS.
Of course, that’s only MY OPINION and, as Mikel Arteta signed him, with the OPTION OF ANOTHER SEASON, I would hardly call it a STOP GAP and THEREIN lies my LOGICAL THINKING as a SENSIBLE, WELL EDUCATED PERSON.
KEN When, as ever , you choose to deliberately misrepresent what I wrote, by ignoring TIME FRAMES , you will find it easy to come up with apparent, although false claims and mistakes in my post.
HAVING SPENT ALL THAT MONEY ON RICE, HAVERTZ, TIMBER, meant that little was left for him to further strengthen the team with top proven and still young players. So he was financially forced to settle on Jorginho .( And BTW, to only agree a season long loan for Raya, rather than buy him outright for the THEN AGREED FEE OF £27 MILL, which would come later , in THIS new financial year).
IT IS THE ART OF THE FINANCIALLY POSSIBLE THAT ALL MANAGERS OF FAIRLY RUN CLUBS ARE FORCED TO DO.
City, and others, fell outside this financial prudence and will, in time, pay the price for THEIR refusal to conform to Prem PSR!
But AFC played by the rules, so money available to spend was LIMITED. Hence Jorginho, instead of other, but pricier younger players.
Inevitably , though it seems to surprise you, for whatever mysterious reason of your own, an older, stop gap, player bought in, will have a shorter time here than a younger one would have .
That is what I WROTE AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN, whether or not you agree with it!!
His improvement this season seems to have come from better speed, stamina, and physical sharpness. Perhaps there are doubts that this is sustainable for long?
No” perhaps” about it.
Plainly that IS the reason he will be let leave and replaced with better, younger, more reliably fit and with more years ahead of whoever comes in than the ageing Jorginho has left!
You do not improve your squad season after season, as MA plainly HAS DONE, unless you areruthless in pursuit of major trophies and ALWAYS put the success of the team and club, ABOVE AFFECTION for ANY one individual , esp an ageing one!
With Partey likely to depart and doubts concerning Elneny can we afford to lose another highly experienced international central midfielder?
A voice of reason Grandad, instead of silly firing from the hip statements that have no basis of fact.
I have no “affection” for Jorginho, just observations about his presence on the field of play and how his experience and calmness has helped the younger, less experienced players blossom.
If MA was ruthless and signing younger players Jon, why did he sign Jorginho in the first place?
For goodness sake, stop trying to rile everyone up with your “club above any player” BS!!
Your not unique in that thought, even if you think you are!!
i DID NOT ever say nor suggest that YOU had any affection for him Equally, neither did I say nor suggest that you have not. Whatever your ,or mine, or anyone elses opinion who is a fan, is about Jorginho is entirely irrelevant as to what WILL HAPPEN.
I obviously do not know for a fact that he will go It was merely MY OPINION, AND FAN OPINIONS ARE THE REASON WE HAVE A FAN SITE. I t was NOT “shooting from the hip”at all which is an insulting ands derogatory phrase designed to make me look foolish.
WHAT I SAISD WAS A FAN OPINION, TO WHICH I, LIKE OTHERS ON HERE, AM ENTITLED TO GIVE. I will be obliged, in future if you disagree with my opinions.that you debate with me directly and do not seek to besmirch my name by making insulting accusations, eg ” shooting from tth hip”, esp when they are not true. I was giving my opinuon as everyone does and NOT “so called, in KEN SPEAK, “shooting from the hip”!
FYI, all opinions which I WRITE,ARE BEFORE WRITING, FULLY THOUGHT THROUGH and I have my reasons for giving them.
I am a bright and intuitive fan and I leave any “shooting from the hip” to several well known names onJA , which do not include me , nor you, nor any other bright and wise JA fans.
Agreed?!!
As to WHY he signed Jorginho, I gave the answer to that in my post timed at 9.35, but written after your reply post.!!
Dear oh dear Jon, are you forgetting what you write?
At 7 34 and I quote ” ABOVE THE AFFECTION FOR ANY ONE INDIVIDUAL ESPECIALLY AN AGEING ONE.”
. Am I to assume then, that you were talking to yourself and not those who chose to read your comments?
Ken I have no idea whatever the point is you are attempting but plainly FAILING to make.
If you could spell it out PRECISELY IN UNDERSTANDABLE ENGLISH,then perhaps, I COULD ANSWER WHATEVER POINT IT IS YOU MEAN TO MAKE!
But it needs to be swift, as its already past my bedtime tonight!
Jon, let me refresh your memory :
MA signed Jorginho on the 1.2.23. on a 18 month deal with the option of a further 12 months.
This was after two FAILED attempts to sign Caicedo from Brighton in the same January transfer window.
Their reported second bid was worth £65 million with add ons.
NOW JON, can you explain to me why you believe there was no money available to buy a younger player, as Caicedo IS younger and the club HAD upwards of £65 million to spend?
We know this is a FACT because Brighton reported that they had turned the bid down.
The other FACT we know is the above details of Jorginho’s contract.
Perhaps, now that you have these details, you might like to revise your opinion that :
1. Jorginho was a stop gap – unless you still believe a two and a half year deal is a stop gap?
2. That the club had the money to spend, as the Caicedo deal proves.
3. MA doesn’t replace older players with younger ones, as Jorginho was signed to cover for Lokonga.
Still awaiting your reply Jon and I hope your not ignoring the questions simply because they refute your opinions entirely?
Now finally seen your famous and neverforgotten(by you) question which you are SO DESPERATELY KEEN to know my opinion. Perhaps I ought to be flattered that it means SO MUCH to you!!
Well KEN, here goes, but I say, in advance, that I know you will not accept my opinion as being what I really believe, which naturally insults my integrity, to which however across the years onJA, I have become, sadly, accustomed.
Firstly, an initial 18 months, even with a years option , and given his age at that time WAS CLEARLY A BRIDGING OR STOP GAP SIGNING, in the process to making our squad, in the fulness of time, a top class one with no passengers.
Your point two: the club was extremely unlikelty IMO to have actually paid anywhere near £ 65 mill plus add ons for him, unless it was agreed to be paid across a number of years,including even after he had gone from us.
“Reported” figures are not the same thing as actual figures more often than not. One of OUR long lasting differences is that you trot out “reported” statements and figures as being gospel truth, whereas I DO NOT!
Your point three actually agrees with what I SAY, in that usually, wedo NOT replace younger player with older ones ands on the few occasion we do, they are simply bridging signings, expected to not stay here long.
I WOULS ADD FOR CONTEXT, tha team building to tthlevel a club such a sours will expect is far more slow and les easy tham MOST hasty fans esp someon here will allow. Buying and selling player esp in th days of FFP, or nowPSR, is alaboroius process wit sometime ds a step take n back rthw than forward for financial expediency or other facors seen only by thoise INSIDE the club ands totaly ignore an not understof but thre legion of ujthinking semi ignorant fans who post anti MA comment on JA.
THID is WHY bright fans sich as Sue P, myself, yourself, Grandad, Anders and anumber of other well respected, generally older, more life expeienced fan on here, KNOW that team builing take s a long times and any managw worth his salt NEEDS to begiven ENOUGH time to PROPERLY buoild a title standard squad..
IMO we are mostly there but still have weaknesses and lesser players who need to move out and be replaced, as they will be in time, with better players.
In the meantime, we are STILL A REALLY GOOD SIDE and most sensible, . knowledgeable fans HOPE at least, even if they do not deep down TRULY BELIEVE, we can win our first title in twenty years. I truly believe we have a realistic chance.
KEN, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO KNOW THAT YOU WILL ACCEPT ALL THE ABOVE AS BEING WHAT I TRULY BELIEVE, even though YOU will disagree with most of it, probably!
Let’s take the Jorginho contract first Jon :
A stop gap (as you named it) would surely be a season?
Why would the club want to put in an extra option, if, as you say, it was just a stop gap?
That makes no sense whatsoever and, if taken up, would be a two and a half year contract.. So, in my opinion, that doesn’t equate to a stop gap signing as you labelled Jorginho’s contract, thus, whether intentional or not, gives the impression that this fine player was / is not worth keeping – I disagree with you.
Now on to the claim you made that the club didn’t have the money, so Jorginho was signed.
What you forget was the FACT that the club were activally trying to sign Caicedo, as confirmed by Brighton themselves.
You didn’t mention anything about staggering the contract, as it is obvious that you forgot this was happening, when you, once again, went on your normal tirade while explaining your opinion.
The final point about MA wanting younger players, thus backing up your theory that Jorginho was a stop gap, still makes no sense to me, as he sent out on loan younger players, while deliberately signing him for his experience.
Jon, it’s the way you approach your replies that I don’t get – it is one of the reasons why I keep holding you to your words and want your explanations, when they become personal, vindictive and misleading.
We disagree, once again, on this subject and I believe that I have given you the FACTS that you are wrong… you believe your right.
I’m sure anyone who’s interested will make up there own minds as to who presents the stronger case.
Well KEN , I can agree with your penultimate sentence.
As for the rest of it, I told you we would disagree, so thats not worth repeating,as its all been said.
Even when I said, if you recall, you will never be able to make me change my view! And when I SAID YOU WOULD HOWEVER NOT STOP TRYING.
And now if you will excuse me , I am about to eat my dinner, so GOODNIGHT KEN!!!
Not trying at all Jon, just stating the facts as I see them.
Enjoy your dinner.
Dinner over KEN AND WATCHING ENGLAND V BELGIUM. Two defensive errors put England 2–1 down but MAINOO of United looks good.
Only 18 and a star of the very near future for sure. Half time now. Not a fraction as much fun as watching PREM FOOTBALL THOUGH, even though its an open game.
Watch Declan Rice Jon, his concentration is incredible on and off the ball.
Toney looks good as well – no substitute for experience eh!! 😂😂😂
KEN RICE DID OK I thought. HE MOVED THe BALL WELL TOO.
But he was well down the list of Englands best players who, in order of best first , I rated MAINOO, BELLINGHAM, FODEN, BOWEN as the real successes in that perf. All Englands defence was wide open and I suspect ONLY PIckford of those who finished the game will be first choice as defenders.
I did not esp rate Toney, though the commentators did though! Not mobile enough for me. Nor is WATKINS.
But TBH, I dont much care at all about England or what they do or dont do. I ENJOYED THE OPEN GAME THOUGH