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Please let’s call Citeh bottlers as we have been called !
Disgraceful media as we have fought hard last 3 years as have Citeh…they’ve won 1 Liverfool won 1 and now we have won 1
Onwards and upwards
COYG
Well, I love everything about Arsenal 🔴⚪️
But Pep has won 20 titles in 10 years with City. He won a lot with Barca including two CL titles, and he was very successful in Bayern too. He’s definitely the greatest manager of his time and among the best ever. Next team will probably be a national team.
Some people didn’t even think finishing 5th after finishing 8th for 2 consecutive seasons was progress 🙄
because he was the one who finished 8th , our worst position in quarter of a century
so not even aimed at him but Arsenal in general you don’t go from 5th ( not acceptable for Arsenal ) then get a new manager , finish 8th , 8th and then back to 5th and call that progress
your opinion of course but again I would read up on certain things
When Mikel was appointed as Head Coach we were 10th. We finished the season in 8th. That’s a progress of 2 places. The following season, as our manager, we finished 8th again. That’s stagnation. The following season we finished 5th. That’s a progress of moving up THREE POSITIONS.
yeah so even if you say okay he inherited a mess let’s not count when he first came in
in his first full season he took a group of players who had finished 5th to 8th
like when he came in if I said to you ….he will take us to 8th , 8th and then 5th …very few would say ….bloody hell that’s progress lol
but let’s agree to disagree and just be happy those days are over
I’m currently trying to work out what Tuchel is doing with his England squad
All it does is provide the information/fact so, yes, the stats don’t lie but the circumstances of Arsenal versus any other club are bound to be different and therefore, have to be taken into consideration.
I’m not sure what any of this proves beyond the first 2 seasons being less than expectations but the remainder being a vast improvement across the board. The club with a rookie manager at the helm and with players who now have a sell on value, and a club structure that is the envy of many has been achieved not just by Arteta’s success as manager but with the wholesale improvement by the board to make it happen and lastly from the players who also believed
oh Sue I’m not having a go at it
I’m just defending why I would never call that progress for any club of our size
if Alonso finishes 9th , 9th then 8 th I wouldn’t say bloody hell that’s progress lol
but it’s opinions isn’t it
Indeed it is👍
Yes he finished 8th in his first full season, but to compare it to finishing 5th 2 seasons earlier, when he wasn’t even at The Arsenal is crazy.
Right I’m out for a while, got an appointment at my doctors.
hope it goes okay
Cheers. It’s only for my 3 monthly injection.
well that offers me some perspective
football is a beautiful game but just that .. a game
Aa I’ve said the last couple of years, my health is more important 👍
yeah of course
All the best Herr Drier.
Cheers Derek, it’s only an injection I have every 3 months to try to lower my testosterone, which is what feeds prostate cancer apparently.
Herr Drier,
My late Father had Prostrate Cancer, and he had to have an injection on one side of his tummy one week and another injection on the other side of his tummy.
I think it was a week, it could have been a month I can’t remember. But I think the injection he had to have was called something like Zolerdex, please forgive the spelling.
He would then have his treatment an hour after having this injection. Thankfully after a time he got the all clear.
And I hope you get the same. 👍😉
Derek, yes it’s Zoladex. I started it in June 2014 when my PSA blood test showed a reading of 80. My GP told me that at my age the reading should have been 5 at the most. After all the test and the Indian ink tatts, I started my seven and a half weeks of radiotherapy. Things were fine until September 2023 when I had a few scares with my legs. My GP then sent me for a MRI scan and they found the cancer had spread to my spine. To cut a long story short, I had emergency radiotherapy, lost the use of my legs for about 3 months and spent 4 months in hospital and missed the 18th birthday of my middle Grandson. I can walk now but need a 4 wheeled walker.
I’ve had a couple TIAs (mini strokes), one in December after we lost away to Villa where I shouted at my telly at the final whistle but I’ve realised I need to stay calm and enjoy every day. I’ve also realised there’s a lot of people worse off than me.
yeah stay calm
maybe we can do something with our predictions game next season to raise some money for some cancer charities
we used to do that years ago for other charities
how did you cope with the West Ham game lol
Herr Drier,
Sorry to hear about you’re health issues. My father went onto have his health troubles to, but the Prostate Cancer itself went away.
My dad once asked the Doctor treating him if his PSA could go up again, she was adamant that it wouldn’t. And to be fair to her she was right until he was admitted to the hospital on his final time, and it was found that his prostate had enlarged again.
Although that wasn’t what he died of, it certainly didn’t help.
But anyway, this is becoming more of a medical page that a footballing one.
Once again I’m sorry to hear about you’re health issues, but take comfort that our team finally got over that flipping winning line. And who knows, it could get even better yet.
But whatever happens HD, please stay calm when watching. You’ve got enough health issues after all.
Derek I won’t go into detail but I truly think comforts can save your life and keep you going
wherever it’s sport , music , movies … whatever peeps
if you got that comfort …..keep it …..as it can mentally help you without you knowing
How did i cope with the West Ham game ? I just chilled out. If we win, we win. I’ve learned the hard way.
Derek, thanks fella, much appreciated 👍. My PSA shot up to 155 in January last year, so my cancer consultant put me on some new tablets that by December last brought it down to 24. Alas after my first TIA I had to stop taking them, as he said that they may have caused the TIA.
As I previously posted, my health is more important than a game of football and so I watch the game in a chilled manner. Yes I’m happy when we win, but I don’t lose it now if we lose. 🤞 for next Saturday, just wish I could be out there with my mates.
Again thanks fella.
Sending you my best wishes HD.
Thanks SueP 👍
Hope to catch up at the Wonder cafe next season HD 👍
now 5th – 2nd – 1st is progress
hence why I said the last thing he needs to do is prove he can get over the line and fair play to him
but no 5th -8th , 8th , 5th …not progress
that’s obvious to me
With the squad he inherited, how did he even finish 8th? That man was/is and will remain special. Just ask our neighbor’s coaches how they fell, from winning the EL to bottom last places scrapping for survival with a better set players that what Mikel inherited. Today CFC is fighting for 8th spot with the Bees!!. And some wanted him sacked if he finished 2nd (LOL). Poch, Ange, Frank , etc could not not save their jobs in a top 6 club due to the pressures of just being a top 6 club, yet Mikel with those players retained top 8 status.
Nevertheless, we should give credit to Bertha and Gab Heinz too.
I’m confused on one hand your implying he did well to finish 8th ( our worse position In over two decades) but then mock Chelsea for being …..8th lol
main thing is ….he’s done it , we are Champions
Bro, with a hopeless squad he finished 8th, CFC with a much better squad (as compared to Mikel’s 8th place finish squad) they are struggling with the bees.
He did it for the squad, the squad did it for him. Now that that he proved the haters wrong, they have jumped in his bandwagon to party. How nice!
when you say haters though all I hear is wow you take things way too seriously
lets say there are two Gooners who both love their club right ..
one says ….I think Arsenal will beat PSG
the other says …. I think PSG might just be too big a step …
does that mean they hate Arsenal or Arteta ?
they both want the same thing
I want England to win the World Cup but don’t think we are good enough
does that mean I hate England ?
it’s actually really arrogant of you to essentially say people have to support the club like you do else they hate Arteta
hopeless squad that finished 5th so then he had a summer window, got to rip up contracts , etc and finished 8th
give you an example I remember we signed Willian and I mocked him for saying Arsenal will win CL in next three years ( based on we had to now get back in it first )
a reader has a go at me …..Arsenal can do this ….your negative , etc
peeps that season predicted we will challenge, get back in top 4
think back to the good will of the FA Cup and Auba extending his contract
not one fans said to me ……Dan with this squad , it’s so bad ….if we can repeat 8th place that’s progress …..not one ( I can send you links if you want to read back on)
I’m trying to cast my mind back to the situation that Arteta faced when he walked through the door. For one, the league position wasn’t healthy. Emery did finish the season in 5th but he left them in a poorer state with a rancid attitude from the players that had been developing. The figures don’t lie but context surely must play a part.
Why, when discussing the league positions under Arteta no mention is made of the previous 3 seasons when the rot started to set in? This is not to apportion blame on either AW or UE per se, but to also factor in the influence of senior management who were not doing their jobs properly. Some of the players should not have been near the first team, were virtually un sellable or had their own agendas.
Arteta got a free hit from me in his first half season. The second was the disappointing one but I genuinely felt the fix wasn’t going to be quick. I got jittery until the corner was turned coming up to his full two years in charge and those green shoots began to appear.
There are a number of top clubs who’ve got themselves in a parlous position by not sorting out the fundamentals for running a club successfully whether that was via the ownership’s ineptitude or that of the revolving door attitude to managers and knee jerk reactions in general.
I’m just explaining my though process
if you inherit a club that wers 5th and take them to 8th then back to 5th that’s not progress
not just his fault , hence why I never said he should be sacked and all that matters now is he’s got us over the line
You are forgetting one thing, we weren’t 5 or 8 when Emery got sacked, but 12. Did you expect a mediocre team on a negative trend towards the bottom of the table should manage fifth, with a new manager lacking experience? From my point of view it was a brave decision to take this job in the current situation. Enjoy the league, Dan
no mate
I didn’t expect 8th in his first full season., no one did.
hence why I included examples of what was written at the time
As you can read not one fan said that summer that group of players would finish 8th .
Enjoy Prem as well mate and every crossed for next week
I’m sure Tottenham would have said thank you mam to the 8th. Honestly, I think we can compare their season with the situation when Emery got sacked. We were really bad and had a very negative run of matches. Luckily we had some responsibility people in our club. Fingers crossed for next week mate 🙂
Well, Arsenal was 12 when Arteta got hired in December 2019. We were mediocre inside out and had lots of internal problems.
I wrote here several times that Arteta had got a very difficult job and he will need time, several years to change the club and re establish or values, rebuild our squad, before we can be competitive again. We will probably meet the same challenges as Man. United when Ferguson retired.
Yes, we have spent lots of money which I believe was necessary to get a competitive squad, able to win the league. But, if this was solely about money Man.United would have won the league on a more regular basis.
We cleared out the mess, re established or values, adjusted our philosophy, rebuild our squad, re established the connection between club and fans. And now we know who we are champions of England 🔴⚪️
👍
5th 8th 8th 5th was Arsenal NOT Arteta
Since then 2nd 2nd 2nd 1st….definitely IS progress to anyone!
So it’s all about how you phrase it
You also conveniently forgot to mention an FA cup win in there early days
Why is this even a discussion when we have just won the Premier League. Some people never satisfied
Champions league final this weekend by the way ? I guess if we lose there will be another negative post from you !
FYI. Arteta most wins than any othe Arsenal manager
Please don’t say yes but he spent a billion. ! What did all the other teams spend and only Liverpool and City have won during his tenure ..
COYG
what do you mean 8th and 5th were not Arteta ? lol
but 2nd and 1st was
surely he is credited with both ?
The issue here is that one has to look at the whole of what needed to be done to improve the squad and make it competitive with the best teams in the country.
Some of us pointed out that the squad wasn’t good enough to compete with the likes of MC or Liverpool at the time Emery left.
Finishing 5th was actually disappointing at the time but the contexts of that season should be remembered. Arsenal had a young team, injuries and the Aubameyang situation. We were pipped by Spurs who overall had a better team, including Kane and Son, two of the best players in the world at the time.
In assessing that season one could see the foundations of a potentially great side being built.
One of the things that we see here is that people ignore everything else and just talk about 5th partly to score points against Arteta; and for some against the owners.
We saw the claim that Arsenal were no better than when Wenger left. Yet look at the trajectories of those teams. Arsenal went from 5th to 6th in one case and from 5th to second in the other and remained competitive since then. The squad building during Arteta’s earliest seasons was an important factor contributing to the better competitiveness that was to follow.
The last few seasons saw Arsenal challenge consistently. This has been labelled as “failure” by some so-called fans. Seaman saw that there was progression. Given the way narratives are developed on JA, he would probably be considered toxic.
It is very difficult to win a PL title and we have seen some very good teams unable to do it. Mourinho a few years ago even claimed his second place finish was one of his great achievements because of what he was up against.
The progress over time has brought Arsenal to this point despite the unhealthy negativity of a section of the fanbase.
yes but the period he brought up was 8th – 5th
so I’m simply pointing out he was the one who took us to 8th
That would be like Alonso arriving at Chelsea who finish 8th and in his first full season finishing 12th but second season finishing 8th then someone saying that’s progress lol
factually it’s not and this is what I mean by toxic positivity
5th – 2nd – 1st is factually progress and let’s focus on that
Having read the comments above, one has to admit, the Spaniard patience and trusting the process philosophy paid off perfectly.
Yes after early eighth and fifth place finishes, the massive squd overhaul, the surgery to cure the club stagnation.
Indeed the steady trajectory that followed, culminated in a phenomenal bold run to the title
100 percent mate
he’s got us over the line and done a great job this season both can be true
are you sure about that , as in 100 percent because I know the answer lol
so we have just won the FA Cup and Auba signs a new contract and that summer you think Arsenal fans on here ( knowing how some are ) you truly think they went ……we are rubbish, 8th again would be progress
tell the truth lol
here’s one example…..Willian says in next 3 years we win CL ( we just finished 8th )
I say , won’t happen , looking at comments not one person says another 8th would be okay….here’s what they said ….
Such negativity and pessimism,arsenal is still a top club and am choosing to believe William when he says he can do it.
they will it’s not Thiago aouar or Partey it’s all of them plus a few more he is planning on winning Europe and challenge this year league bank it
Arsenal fans with negativity, would you think Liverpool would win the champions league 3 or 4 years ago?
The manager said he wants to qualify for the champions league this season and win in by 3 years time, I don’t think there’s anything wrong in believing and being ambitious,
Arsenal has a great chance of being CL champions in the next 3 years.
Shame to those not willing to believe in the coach and his aspirations.
Need I remind the writer that Leeds united got to the semifinals of the UCL
we may be able to do semi or a final in three years in the CL and maybe even win it,
so my point being don’t year later try and make out that any of us that summer were like we are a mess and 8th will be progress
so please tell the truth next time
It’s not at all clear what you are on about. What have I stated that is not true?
That the Arsenal squad wasn’t good enough when Arteta joined? Or that the squad needed rebuilding? Or that the ethos and commitment needed to improve? Or that senior players such as Aubameyang became a distracting negative influence? Or that injuries contributed to a loss of form in the season when Arsenal came 5th after being pipped by Spurs?
Why are you bringing up comments that have nothing to do with me and the points I have made in this discussion. You have listed a number of unattributed comments made at some time in the past and then made some ridiculous comments comment about truth.
This is one of my own comments from years ago:
“Could another manager have done better with Arsenal’s squad. Difficult to say as Arsenal have an unbalanced squad.
The senior players are not good enough so the young players are being overplayed. This is bound to lead to variable results.
The lack of squad depth is serious and seriously underestimated by many on here.
It’s easy to blame Arteta but he really does not have a great squad. He needs everyone fit for the team to mount a serious challenge in any competition. Unfortunately, he does not even have this.”
stopped reading after the second line lol
if you can’t be happy now mate , you never will be
Of course you stopped reading since you can’t twist a truth that challenges your narratives. My comments here aren’t to express my happiness to you, they are to challenge the attempt at gaslighting.
just advice
do you ever think you look at this abit too deep ?
I think the former Arsenal man is right, three consecutive seconds is sheer consistency, if you ask
The day that arteta nearly got sack. Here come the heroic emile smith rowe that save arteta career at Arsenal. No one know if the script is difference. But for real..Arsenal is Champion again
Win the Champion league. Complete the history for some one call Mikel Arteta
The knack of being able to see progress and acknowledge it, instead of digging oneself into a hole by refusing to change one’s opinion, has led to the crack in fans views regarding MA.
The summer activity, after we finished 5th and the atmosphere around the Emirates at that time was when I became positive.
So it took me three seasons to realize what MA was doing – a late convert some might say!!
However, I never expected three seasons of finishing 2nd was to follow.
Such high level consistency wasn’t predicted by anyone.
Now we can see what MA was heading to and, surely, every Arsenal fan should be singing his (and the players) from the rooftops?
Let’s not forget the incredible support given by us, the fans, not only at the Emirates, but at every ground we’ve played at – the potential number of fans who will be watching out victory parade will be in the hundreds of thousands and Mikel Arteta has woken up the sleeping giant.
@Ken 1945
Congratulations on winning the league, well deserved 🫶
You know that I thought he was the right choice for us, and I have never doubted him. Not always happy but overall proud to be a Gooner 🙂
It makes med sad to read the conversation above, it’s time to focus on our achievements, on Sunday and the greatest parade of all time, this will be emotional.
Next week our team can achieve something never happened before. If we aren’t successful we will try again next season 🙂
👍👍👍
Get ready for the parade, I’m sure it will be amazing and very emotional ⚪️❤️
It will be Didrik and the whole area will come to a standstill.
Can’t wait for the CL final and the parade the day after – we’ve waited far to long for this and I’m going to enjoy every second 👍
my brother said on our family / friends messenger group ( currently called stand up for the Champions) ‘ god you Gooners are going to be unbearable arnt you ‘
I simply said …..’ yes’ lol
the same energy that rivals would have put in had we lost ……the opposite is happening