Manchester City’s 115 financial rule breach case is, in my opinion, the worst economic scandal football has ever seen to date.
It just goes to show how little respect some owners can have for the game when there is so much money involved and how corrupt it can become. If you thought FIFA were bad, think again!
I can’t believe just how bad it has become, with the violation of rules and the domination of the sport built on what feels like an illusion of greed and power which has now caught up with them.
For myself and millions of others who have grown up loving the beautiful game, and can only really remember the Citizens being the team to beat, it feels like a complete sham and a violation of the game which seriously upsets me.
The so-called Super League felt drastic and isolating as a fan, and fortunately never happened because I believe the game would have been killed off in terms of competition. Arsenal were involved with that too, but this feels unprecedented in all the wrong ways.
Football needs greater internal and external regulation to ensure that something like this never happens again. That is easier said than done, but I’m not 100 per cent sure how else it could be prevented.
Should Arsenal benefit if Manchester City are punished?
To some extent, I now feel that Arsenal should be handed the Premier League titles from the two years Manchester City held them when we finished runners-up in 2023 and 2024, as well as the League Cup they beat us in.
I felt differently about this earlier on when less information was available, but now, knowing how serious the situation is, I don’t think that would necessarily be wrong.
Even though I know many will disagree with me on this, with the evolving nature of the game, I also believe a transfer cap should be set on how much a club can spend.
It is all out of proportion, and hardly any of the clubs outside the top six can compete with this level of financial power.
In my opinion, Manchester City should be placed in the National League, although I deeply empathise with their fans who, like any supporters, would welcome large amounts of money coming into their club.
We’ve seen recently with Welsh side Wrexham how investment can transform a club from Non-League to the Championship, but in my opinion City’s crimes fit the punishment.
What has happened is disgusting.
I believe this is a matter which other clubs should refrain from commenting on unless required because the situation couldn’t be any worse and serves no outfit well unless concrete action and consequences are part of the process.
Arsenal have had to do things the hard way
Admittedly, it has been frustrating to wait and see Arsenal win the Premier League for the first time this year in a generation, but they at least did it against the odds.
When Arsenal had to move to the Emirates from Highbury, which was highly costly, we saw the club having to sell our best players, hardly making a profit, just to survive and rebuild, while City also bought half our starting XI across a few years.
Arsenal, Arsene Wenger and Mikel Arteta have shown that “The Arsenal way” is the best way in current times against the odds – with a biased tinge there, to say the least.
We can only hope that justice prevails with this colossal matter.
Not only is the Arsenal fanbase watching, but people at all levels of football, within sport and outside it too.
Liam Harding
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The FA should officially announce that some of Man City’s EPL trophies won by cheating the FFP, from Mancini’s era to Guardiola
Man City should also be relegated to League One before the next EPL game commences and banned from football for three seasons
They shouldn’t be able to sign anyone nor can they extend anyone’s contract during that period of time. Only player sales and contract termination should be allowed
The punishment will force them to sell the players and the staff acquired by breaching the FFP
would never happen
So, what do you think would likely happen?
Everton got a harsh punishment because of a much smaller financial breach
i think it will drag on but possibly they agree to a points deduction , fine and some sort of transfer restrictions .
Clubs will separately go after them for compensation
Also it should come down to individual level. Persons who were implicated in this unprecedented scandal must be named from A to Z. Then do what is due.. even to the extent of jail or international ban for them not to work anywhere else
If that happens, it would also be good for Arsenal because Kroenke could demand a huge compensation from Man City
The money could be used to increase our transfer budget and inprove the training facilities
If that is the punishment I can see Nottingham Forest Aston Villa ,and Newcastle thinking if that’s the worse that can happen let’s start spending
Liam, excellent points discussed. You mentioned how dearly Arsenal paid to be within the rules. In those periods the Sham FC were brandishing to us via parades the fake trophies they collected from here and there. I’m sure Uefa also will restart its charges.
Personally I prefer the Lance Armstrong and Marseille route. Revoking titles but not redistributing them to runner ups for it happened long ago to trigger emotions
Man City’s titles should be taken away and erased for cheating, meaning no team gets them, as no team deserves them
Also City should be demoted to at least the National League.
I think demoting them to a Local Park League may be too much lol
But I don’t think City will be punished enough for their transgressions
Not to forget Arteta was there, in the heart of this putrid darkness, on one of these cheating sham contracts they were all on.
For those who hate MA, hate his handbrake on football, and still angry the summer window was botched by his pursuit of the unattainable, the imminent sacking of the tainted Arteta for his own shameful role he played in the Great Mancheater City Crime Story, will be seen by some Gooners as a benefit from all this?
They will have beloved Fabragas in by Christmas, and attacking type football, designed to score goals not just prevent them?
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🤭
Seriously NY, Gooners are a big family, throughout the world in fact, and some are seriously criminally impatient for more silverware and “forget defence, we will score one more than you” football. So there will be some.
I love MA, and the thing we’ve got going on right now. Love love love love ❤️
@Moon Girl
I feel what you’re sayin. I neither love nor hate the guy. I have a large chunk of respect for him ever since he played for us. And what he’s done with us now. I’m just a bit perplexed at times, trying to figure out what his next move is…
I do like how you lumped that all together though. Food for thought. Jus sayin…
When the dirty truth about Arteta’s role in the Man City Scandal becomes clear via the press, squeaky clean Arsenal will show him the door.
And get El Fab in.
Just Matter of time.
Ya think? 🤔
🤭
Based on the article’s title, Arsenal should benefit as City will have had to take some serious medicine. The same applies to the other EPL teams who’ve lost ground over the years. Points deducted for example will benefit every team.
As much as I’d like to throw the book at City (the full printed works of the Encyclopaedia Brittanica would be heavy enough) I’ve read and heard that going overboard is counterproductive to the longer term good of the premier league. The punishment in the event that one is administered should imo follow on similar lines to what happened in Scotland with Rangers. I can’t see the point of being totally vindictive but vindictive enough to make the club suffer for their actions for a handful of years. They should though, have the opportunity to redeem themselves. Imagine how we’d all feel if it was Arsenal facing this embarrassment. Life long fans. Family history going back generations will have to live with what was done to their club by their owners and/or executives. That’s bad enough to be known as cheats and it won’t be forgotten.
Nothing can bring back the years where several clubs lost out. It’s only right that there is an asterisk against City’s achievements. Great to watch; relentless self belief but assembled improperly.
@Sue P
Very well said Sue. 👏🏾
imo what city114 have done is extremely wrong and damaging to the league, and everyone feels that they should be punished.
the issue we have here is not that we need a just punishment, but an appropriate one. for example, if we strip them of their titles and demote them to the national league to such an extent that they cannot recover, it has a bad look overall (i heard etihad are going to sue for damages). On the other hand, a mere points deduction will be forgotten the next season (take everton as an example).
My idea of what the punishment should be is relegation to somewhere like League 1/2, take an auditor to review their sponsorships, and pay out compensation to affected clubs.
Taking Everton’s penalty as a benchmark, I believe that was 6 points for 1 breach, then extrapolating that for City would equal to 684 points deducted to be absorbed rolling over from year to year. So if for example this year they end up getting 80 points then their points tally at the end of the year would be -604 and they would go into the Championship with that …. eating away at their points deduction but obviously getting relegated for the next four or five years …. going on until they absorb the entire deduction and climb back up the divisions – or not. Obviously with a transfer ban for one or two years after which their own PSR riles will kick in to their detriment. And the entire Board to be expelled for life.
Fine them £50m
Deduct 20 points
Case closed
Exceedingly generous of you
dgr8xt,
Just think what you just said and let it sink in. Here we have a teams owners constantly breaking the rules to a tune of 115 charges, of which 114 of them have upheld.
And you want them fined just £50,000000M, and docked 20 points.
Firstly if that were to happen, City would order an open-top bus parade around Manchester. The fine would be like a fee for a player, and the 20 point fine a complete joke, when you look at the points deduction that Nottingham Forest and Everton got for a lot less charges.
For justice to even being close to be done, at the very least they must be relegated, fined in a big way, points deducted, and all said trophy’s stripped that they gained in said time.
And just to add to the actual article, regards Arsenal being handed their titles, not for me I’m afraid. Yes they cheated, but titles are won on the pitch not handed out to the nearest loser.
For the record, they’ve been found guilty of ALL 115 charges. That’s what I read yesterday on Sky Sports
And have you seen the leading article on Sky Sports this morning? It says that other Premier League clubs DO NOT WANT CITY THROWN OUT OF THE LEAGUE because they attract significant money in terms of sponsorship. This isn’t just an assumption but words from a Chief executive of one of the 20 EPL clubs who has been speaking with colleagues at other clubs and who has information on their discussions.
Moreover, I’m fully in support of handing trophies to others if cheating is involved. After all, City would not have won them if they didn’t cheat so the titles should go to others. No need for blank spaces on history. Other sports have done it and moved on.
I have learned from life experience what money can do so I deliberately temper expectations for justice especially where money is involved. The same clubs that were cheated don’t want the justice because of money. No need hoping for it cause as they say, it is the hope that kills
dgr8xt,
It doesn’t matter what the other Premier League clubs want. City have broken the rules 115 times, And their punishment needs to reflect this.
The punishment you suggest amounts to nothing more than a slap on the wrists.
like most things In life truth is in the middle
punishment should be strong but one which allows them to come back
this idea that players will be banned , the Prem and EFL both won’t want them , they should be banned for 3 years , they have to sell players but can’t buy anyone !
won’t happen
too many are thinking with emotion and being biased
I am sad to say I think it won’t be far off the mark.if it is then Premier league is finished and open to endless cheating
I would tell them to join the UAE Pro League or sell up..
Foreign states should not own English football clubs. This had disaster written all over it right from the start, Wenger warned against it right from start as did many others.
We have already had Andy Burnham sticking up for City’s owners – no doubt the UAE government are already leaning him.
Burnham should concern himself more with getting this country back on its feet rather than what Mancheater City are up to.
Just to add something further regards Burnham. How gullible is he, he says the owners of City have helped with their donations to help Manchester in whatever way. I believe they call it sports washing.
Where the owners come across as nice people with their donations here and there, all the time hiding their true selves.
I believe that Chelsea’s Abramovich did something similar.
Why is it that whoever runs this country, gives you the impression they couldn’t run a bath let alone a country.
Rant over, thanks for reading. 😂😉
You are 100% correct
“Should Arsenal benefit….” is the wrong question. Where does the rest of the league fit into this? Shouldn’t it be “should all teams benefit…”, as all teams have lost out in one way or another, and are probably asking the very same questions.
And you believe “other clubs should refrain from commenting on unless required”? All clubs are entitled to have their say, regardless of what some blog writer decides should or shouldn’t take place.
If it is all confirmed following appeal then MC should be penalised. Their titles probably should be taken but I don’t agree with handing them to others. There are far too many issues with trying to reassign titles retroactively.
Other penalties can include fines, and points deduction or expulsion. Expulsion would have huge ramifications for the PL, Manchester and the UK so needs careful consideration.
A further issue is whether the owners can remain in place. Given their attitude up till now it is difficult to see how the club can be allowed to stay in the PL with the same owners.
I agree with all your points David. Perhaps the most difficult question to answer will be to what extent will/should the other clubs go to obtain monetary damages relating to City114’s infractions.
👍Jax
Jax,
I make you right on all you’re well made points.👍
Drerek, modesty prevents me from agreeing with you, although I was a bit unkind referring to Liam as “some blog writer?.
Jax,
Who is this Drerek you talk of. 😂🤣👍😉
Woops!!!🤣🤣🤣
A question that comes to mind in all of this conversation regarding what should happen to City114 is what needs to happen with PL oversight and accountability. Many both inside and outside (not to mention multitudes of fans) the PL undoubtedly knew something didn’t smell right from virtually the beginning of the Abu Dhabi takeover. Unless the case can be made that an effective prosecution had to wait, those in authority who knew what was happening and yet turned the other way should be held accountable. Perhaps the most important point to consider is how this kind of corruption be prevented going forward.
The PL must address how this travesty was able to come about. Was the PL complicit in some respects and just as corrupt in its own way as the City114 ownership? My hope is that ownership of City114 is punished severely to the extent possible and, one way or the other, not allowed to remain as is. Imo, what the PL does with this situation will determine more than anything else, even more than the infractions themselves, how much its brand is damaged and scared going forward.
Bruised Banana.
I wish I could remember the Premier League’s attitude at the time, but if they didn’t query the new City ownership, then they must have been quite proud to have a nation’s ruler on board. You only saw those types hobnobbing with our royals at major race meetings, so this must have been a massive plus for a working-class sport, and we’d never heard of sports washing back then, had we!
👍Jax. Just goes to show, you can’t judge a book by its cover.
DEREK,
At least Keir Starmer supported Arsenal 🙂
TJ,
Is that a good thing or bad thing?. 🤔😂
Derek, always good to be a gooner regardless of politics or intolerance of the other side.
Good omen as we became Champions during his brief spell
The dodgy owners are responsible! They must go, tails between legs, if the integrity of Manchester City is to be recovered. This great historic, club so loved and respected by so many generations fell into the wrong hands: super rich, fraudulent, ownership keen to do their utmost for false tarnished glory! T
he whole period of this ownership; from the start to the current day is the true focus. There is no question that any claim to being “straight” in the following years once the fraud was discovered thereby qualifying the credibility of subsequent championships and cups is absolutely empty, laughable, equally tarnished: as is their continuing denial and claim to being not guilty!
Let’s face it would any club want to be awarded a tarnished trophy. I don’t think so! Would such, tarnished, medal or cup be able to be spontaneously celebrated by club, players, or fans? Seems most unlikely!
The “winner” accolade in all relevant records should be marked “Null and Void” a permanent stain upon these proceedings but the correct way to send a message to all others contemplating dodgy dealings
Certainly the massive monetary restitution due to all clubs affected should be followed through the courts. As should any additional and appropriate fine needed to repair damage to the sport!
Man City, under new appropriate ownership, might well face a hard, long, haul to drag themselves out of the big hole their owners have carefully dug for them. The hole could possibly be up to 115 negative points deep! Let’s be a little bit kind and suggest negative points at say serious 80 negative points (at least for this season) that should ensure relegation at the end of this term!,
Maybe if they manage to arrest their decline after one or two seasons of free-fall they might seek to re-appoint Pep who could possibly help them to a steady rise back to being the respected club they once were. The real fans would surely appreciate this and support them through sticky times: the hangers on are likely to disappear off very quickly.
All that is needed now is some integrity, courage, and leadership, from the Premier league, courts, decision makers, and money men.
Let’s close by an observation:——– Man City have scored the most amazing, devastating, incredible OWN GOAL of all time they deserve a cup and medals to acknowledge this fact ! Only saying
One way of benefitting is pick up good players cheap in the fire sale in next couple windows.
City face severe automatic sanctions under EFL SCR rules, massive points deductions and transfer embargoes if they fail to clear out their high earners before playing in the Championship. Use of loan system doesn’t by pass this.
In terms of timings, City will have been told the points deductions they face this season before end of January window. The internal appeal result may not be announced publicly by end of January, but City are behind the closed doors and will know if they are losing it or not.
Everything points to a January fire sale in preparation for the Championship. Starting with highest earner downwards I guess.
Everyone thinks Haarland may go to a big Euro club, but Barca remember are near bankrupt, they can’t afford him. Ironically the only option to the Arabs is sell him to …the Arabs. Anywhere else Haarland is getting a haircut (huge pun intended) on wages.
Haarland will do well in the sandpit, they play walking football like he does now with his injuries. Struggling with his heels is only going to get worse now not better.
We are heavily linked with Cherki, what do you think about signing him? I hate Cherki. Remember him in the final. I really hate him. I want to go on happily hating him which I won’t be able to do if we sign him.
Doku? I don’t hate Doku. But his amazing form end of last season isn’t him – inconsistency is him. His inconsistency is too much a liability.
I don’t think we should bother attending the fire sale, to be honest.
Donnarumma as cover to Raya? Not Guehi because we already had Konsa
Donnarumma Doesn’t want a whole season benched? Donnarumma would do a runner.
PSG reject – like Barcola – we don’t want any of those.
All City players except Haaland are bad people – look what Psycho Bernardo done to Ode this week!
Nah. We ain’t going to the city fire sale.
I think it was Sue who said no sympathy for the players and manager signing there this year, as they and agents must have known the weather forecast about what was due to blow in.
Would he be happy as number 2? Besides, PSG reject like Barcola, we don’t want no PSG rejects. Benchmark. If they ain’t good enough for them, ain’t good enough for us either.
Yeah Haaland would demand a massive salary, so Saudi is the obvious answer on that front. But I bet he’d rather stay in Europe. Bayern, replacing Harry Kane, would seem the other logical destination to me as they would be willing and able to pay top Euro.
Agree on that rat Cherki. Brilliant player, but can’t stand him!
Beyond that it’s tough to see which players level us up much. Would take Semenyo for the right if we sell Madueke, though they have some similarities despite Semenyo’s better scoring record, and maybe Ndiaye for the left – we’ll see how he pans out this season. Neither are really clear ceiling raisers though. Mattheus Nunes could be a potential replacement for White if he leaves. Doku is not a bad option for replacing the pace alternative we lost with Martinelli, though I think technically speaking Ndiaye fits us better overall.
They have a bunch of talented young players too, Bouaddi, O’Reilly, Sverre Nypan and particularly Jeremy Monga all look to have great long term potential. Might be more interesting hunting grounds.
Bergkampfwagen, I’d have Semenyo and play him on the left as he’s good with either foot.
I can see that working. Could also play right when Saka is missing.
A strong personality and leader. I think Maresca’s choice for 9 whenever Haarland is missing.
Semenyo it is then. I would offer a pony for him, telling City owners it’s hurting offering matesrates, us trying to help them out a hole – except I think the City owners would be expecting an actually pony. All this mess all points to they don’t really speak our language and how we do things over here 💁♀️
Monga. Got to feel for him? Maresca putting arm around him and saying don’t go to Arsenal – was that Maresca already building Man City for life in the EFLs?
I think I hate arrogant O’Reilly as much as ratty Cherki.
Bouaddi Is a cool man for a 12yr old. But we currently have too many midfielders to pick another up in January sales. Nypan was dubbed Odegaards Heir before City stole in.
I’ve always been impressed with Guardiol. Can’t say a bad word about what he consistently brings.
Yeah and Donnarumma makes no sense. Same with Guardiol or Anderson, they’ll all want to be first choice.
Signing Donnarumma to bench him as a reputational success over anything else just for one season
Moon Girl,
You say you hate Cherki, have you tried it with gravy. 😂🤣
Great idea Derek, I bet she’d like to knock the stuffing out of him. 🤣
You wouldn’t want to fall fowl of MG😊
Bruised Banana and SueP,
Very good. 😂👍
I have been trying to get my head around this mindboggling case.. and have come to the conclusion
that the guilty party ( the board and ceo ) should be punished severly.. those who decided to commit
the crime
Yes. But take Mancini as example of getting sham “off the book” payments – he could not have been unaware. So also include for punishment those who knew of wrongdoing and benefitted from it?
“those who knew of wrongdoing and benefitted from it?”
There must have been some pretty dumb people at City if they didn’t even suspect where all their financing was sourced.
Jax,
To be fair, some of them must have thought they were Universal Credit payments. It’s an easy mistake to make. 😂🤣
DEREK, that might have been more believable. Our main sponsor is from the same source.
City should get a penalty of 30 points a year for the next 3-5 years; no European football of any kind regardless of finish, and hope they rot as a midtable team for the next 3-5 years.
2nd
A Premier League auditor should have free license to check their books, look into sponsors, any and all finances coming into and going out of the club, they are proven untrustworthy.
3rd
The executives involved should be banned from football activities and games, etc… forever, and mean it.
4th
The owner should be forced to sell the club, period. NFL and Major League Baseball has done so in the past.
5th
Any state-owned or partially owned club by a state should not be allowed period.
Lastly, what I would done in addition to the above.
I would rip up every contract on the first team squad of City. The contracts are fake, colluded, and break the financial rules of the league.
They would all be free agents and free to sign wherever they wish; City can lose out on the transfer fees, they inflated their books by over 900 million, so they can lose those transfer fees, they apparently can afford it.
“would rip up every contract on the first team squad of City. The contracts are fake, colluded, and break the financial rules of the league. They would all be free agents and free to sign wherever they wish.”
That would be merciful for the players.
Some argue, as professionals, they can use this “everyone hates us” situation to their advantage to galvanise fighting spirit. I disagree, I think this unique situation is the precise opposite.
They are going to face a wall of hate wherever they travel this season, the like of which few players have ever experienced. But unlike all in it together at the club that galvanises team spirit, the players will feel like their own owners have stitched them up – the players now human shields taking the bags of urine being thrown at City owners and executives, who may not even be in attendance. The players may actually agree the angry mob have a point. As Maresca fires them up and sends them out there, they may even be thinking how much did he know about all this, when he put his arm around me and persuaded me to join.
Liverpool to put six past them.
The next good happy day in many of these City players careers, will be the day their move out is officially cleared.
Agreeable; the ban on executives should be global otherwise they go somewhere and restart contaminating leagues and competitions
You know, all this couldn’t have happened to a nicer Enzo 😇
And Cherki. I really hate Cherki.
In fact I don’t like any Man City players apart from Haarland.
Did you see what Bernardo did to Odegaard? 🤬
Everton were deducted a total of 8 points for 2 charges. That’s an average of 4 points per charge. Now imagine if Man City were docked 4 points for each of the 114 charges, that’s a 456 point deduction.
If Carlsberg did points deduction…
Everton are looking for consistency and fairness, and you could have thought that would be Andy Burnham’s first thought and comments too…
There’s also huge difference with City knowingly deceiving, Everton merely got themselves into financial tangle rather than knowingly or maliciously cheating. In fact independent panels stated there was no dishonesty, deceit, or bad faith. While infrastructure spending is usually exempt from financial rules, the club and the Premier League got into dispute over how the interest on the commercial loans funding the stadium should be accounted for. Everton claimed it should be excluded, but the league ruled it counted as a club loss. Everton relied heavily on lucrative sponsorship deals tied to USM, a company owned by Russian billionaire Alisher Usmanov. When Russia invaded Ukraine, the UK government then sanctioned Usmanov, forcing Everton to immediately tear up a £20 million stadium-naming rights deal, leaving a massive black hole in their budget. All this was shared with PL in good spirit of the rules compared to Man City. Everton also tried but struggled to sell underperforming players on big wages to balance the books after getting into that position.
You can see why they felt upset at the time with PL saying “Rules are rules” we will apply them to everyone consistently and fairly.
Are you there Dan? After this Everton example, this benchmark, how can City now get treated differently?
Herr Drier,
I like you’re way of thinking. 👍
Derek, the last line in my previous post hopefully rings a bell with our older generation, the TV adverts for Carlsberg 😂
Herr Drier,
I hope you’re procedure went well on Friday, and you make a speedy recovery. 👍
Derek, thank you. Because the lump went down a lot the hospital did a procedure called CRYOTHERAPY, which is spraying liquid nitrogen at a temperature of -196 degrees. A little bit of pain for just over an hour, and then the pain was gone.
Thanks again 👍
Herr Drier,
I’m glad to hear it went well. 👍
Did Arsenal benefit or went worse off by selling 4 players to City during the ‘asterisk era’? (BBC)
In the latest revelation Etihad is tripping City’s defense. They’re saying Etihad pays its sponsorship obligations from its own coffers not by seeking top ups from the Abu Dhabi Government. City in turmoil and kind of civil war
@Amba,
Well, there’s another update. A statement made by the Etihad Airways to some American reporter some years ago states that: “We’ve always insist that the company is state owned and has never received subsidies of any form from the Abu Dhabi government. The company was financed by shares and bonds……
If this report is verified then it complicate City appeal claim. This is just getting more and more interesting and the story is still unfolding
I see their country is now threatening not to do business with this country.
Simple, just tell them to jog on.
Derek, it’s a form of blackmail in my book.
I do wonder if the UAE have something on Burnham, the former mayor of Manchester.
Herr Drier
Wish you the best of luck! Get well soon.
Thank you amba 👍
HD, I wouldn’t be all that surprised if UAE has something on everyone. I’m glad the cryotherapy did the trick with much less difficulty for you. Another challenge conquered in your noble battle.
BB, thank you 👍
Agree on both points BB
SueP, thank you 👍
Just got home HD – Great to hear your good news 👍
Cheers Ken 👍
Herr Drier,
By the way their behaving, you’d think they’ve got something to hide. 😉
This is what they’re accustomed to doing with economically iinferior countries. It doesn’t work in this case. Maybe the sympathy shown by PM emboldened them. Conflict of interest by the PM
Thank you the Chronicles for the update. I sense the appeal can now be processed by an ordinary man like me. It’s become simpler for anyone. It does not require a specialist knowledge. There surely infighting in the Shamchester camp. The Airline wants to safeguard its reputation. In the first and foremost place ADUG and the AD Govt are one and same. They can’t cheat even a kid with this lame reasoning. My mother is the wife of my father. Even the appeal is now simpler than this
How many episodes have already dropped on this seasons celebrity Traitors
Don’t answer. Old person not clearing Safari. 🙄
SueP,
There’s no need to bring Ashley Cole into this😂, and for the record two episodes have been shown so far.
Got it on catch up Derek. Love it and your reference to AC too
SueP,
👍👍
The case never drags on unless this is what we want to hear or the fantasy we want to see lol. ADUG and the AD Govt are one and same. We find Sheikh Mansour and Mubarak in both places though with different caps