Should Mikel Arteta’s job depend on winning the league or the Champions League?

Mikel Arteta, (Photo by Alex Pantling/Getty Images)

Mikel Arteta will enter his seventh year as Arsenal manager in December, having won the FA Cup as his only major trophy to date. The Spanish coach inherited a club in need of direction and stability, and there is little doubt that Arsenal are in a far stronger position now than when he first arrived. The hierarchy remains pleased with the progress achieved under his leadership, particularly in terms of consistency and competitiveness at the highest level.

During the summer, Arteta received unprecedented backing, with the clear intention of giving him every opportunity to demonstrate that he is capable of delivering sustained success. Arsenal committed fully to his vision, and the expectation is that such support should now translate into tangible silverware. While Arteta is widely regarded as one of the leading coaches in Europe, the next step in his development is to prove that he can guide his team to the biggest honours.

Pressure mounting as expectations rise

Despite the improvements made across several seasons, the focus has shifted from progress to results. Arsenal have shown remarkable consistency since Arteta took charge, regularly competing near the top of domestic and European competitions. However, consistency alone is no longer enough for a club of Arsenal’s stature.

As reported by Football Insider, there is a growing belief within the club that the time has come for Arteta to deliver a major trophy, with his future potentially coming under scrutiny if Arsenal fail to win the Premier League or the Champions League this season. The view is that the club has provided sufficient backing, both financially and structurally, and now expects a return on that investment.

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Defining moment for Arteta and Arsenal

This season represents a defining period for both Arteta and Arsenal. The squad is well equipped, confidence within the club remains strong, and the team is once again close to achieving something significant. However, being close is no longer the ultimate measure of success.

There is still time for Arsenal to meet their objectives, but maintaining consistency and composure will be essential. For Arteta, this campaign may determine whether he is remembered solely as a builder of foundations or as the manager who finally led Arsenal back to the summit of English and European football.

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  1. Should it depend on it no but it should put him under a deep amount of pressure. He has brought a lot of consistency to the club but he’s not here to consistently have Arsenal on the cusp of achievements and for the club to just be happy to be participating in competitions. If he can’t get his teams over the line to. win anything and are okay with that then we are definitely not an elite club and have no aspirations to be one.

    1. Also, a part of me misses watching entertaining games of football. Arteta has totally taken this aspect of Arsenal away and has us not lifting any silverware. If his value is just consistent UCL money and 2nd place finishes, which would eventually end at some point anyways, then thats not enough to keep him around. It really is a shame I need to watch other teams that are not my own to not be put to sleep by matches that consist of endless backpasses and getting every ball to Bukayo Saka to see if he can win a corner.

  2. Even if we were to win something ( which I think we will )
    I would still love to see some new come in

  3. Yes, its now or never. He couldn’t ever have such a big advantage and the best squad. If he can’t with this massive leg up, he hasn’t got what it takes. Its all there for the right manager.

  4. In a word no
    Koronke Family will be content with top 4 and some fans will say , 2nd isn’t end of the world , trophies are not everything
    And then at Xmas I’ll be asked …how do you know we can’t win CL etc
    And we go again

    1. we can always win something next year.
      Which manager would be a consistent challenger for trophies? Amorim? Thomas Frank? Thiery Henry? Pat Vieira? Ange Postecoglou? Mauricio Pochettino?

        1. And got sacked! That’s a tin pot trophy which no big club would be happy with just that.

  5. Arsenal have a good strong squad. However, it does not have the kind of world class talent that some others have at the top end. The only one who can be considered in “world class” discussions is Saka who is currently not having the best of seasons (for him).

    1. That’s not true. Arteta apply too many breaks. His tactics against top teams in Europe is fantastic except against PSG but at home, he mostly get it wrong against big teams and against average teams, he didn’t kill off games. For 6 years, our problem has been scoring and creating. I feel ashamed that he and the management can’t come up, develop or buy a player that can score 30goals a season.

    2. Strange, you don’t think Timber, Saliba, Gabriel, Rice and Raya are world class? Mmmmm. Haverz has won a CL, Jesus has won a League, Zubimendi a European cup and we have a squad valued at over 1.2 billion (the second highest in the world) and you say its lacking? Strange

      1. I was actually referring to the attack. GJ and Havertz are good and talented players but haven’t shown that they can be considered amongst the world best. As for the team’s valuation, there are several teams with a similar level of talent and valuation.

      2. Reggie,

        Just a question for you regards being world class for winning something.

        Mertasacker won the World Cup with Germany, does that make him world class.

        Players I believe can win trophy’s but it doesn’t in all cases make them world class. Just curious to know you’re thoughts. 👍

    3. That is ridiculous – we have players that every top team would bite our hands off for – Rice, Saliba, Gabriel and Timber to name a few.
      The problem is the tactics and the way we approach games.

  6. Saka is never World class&you don’t need world class players to win a trophy,all you need is a good team&bench and most importantly a good coach/manager.Coaches like Iraola&Glasner will perform wonders with our players.

    1. Sorry, I disagree. It depends on context. In the last few years it has been almost impossible to win without world class players.
      Whether or not Saka is world class may be debatable but he is regularly considered one of the best right wingers in the world

      1. That’s strange didn’t you tell us that we had the best squad in Europe last season ,so no one from the best squad in Europe is world class ,ok then ,more drivel spewed by yourself

      2. When you eventually admit that Arteta is holding us back from success,you will finally be a free man,David.

        1. Not sure what you are on about. Arsenal have some very good players; in some positions, world class.
          However, in attack, the only player regularly considered (albeit debated) world class is Saka. Up to now he has not had the best of seasons. Almost all recent PL winning teams have had forward players having great seasons and those players are often regarded as being world class.
          There is no evidence that Iraola or Glasner would do better than Arteta with our current players. However, there are several managers in the PL that could win a trophy in the right context.
          I simply don’t agree with you that Arteta is holding Arsenal back. I am not sure what that has to do with me being “free”.

          1. “free” from your emotional attachment to Arteta.he’s never ever wrong in your sight,all his decisions are always accurate to you&anyone who dares question him will be in the receiving of your verbal attack.

              1. So the questions go to you too. How is Arteta holding Arsenal back? Why should we accept that Iraola or Glasner would do “wonders” with Arsenal’s squad?
                What is the “verbal attack” that you have received?
                I disagreed with Matthew’s perspectives. Is it your view that unless one is negative about Arteta there must be some kind of emotional attachment?

                1. Firstly David,

                  I don’t claim that Arteta is holding Arsenal back. The part of Matthew’s post I was agreeing with, is his quote of, anyone who dares to question Arteta.

                  I’ve said this about you myself, and yes you do use language of a belittling nature. Just read some of you’re posts to confirm this.

                    1. David,

                      I never said you did verbally attack Matthew. I was talking about other posts throughout the season.

            1. You have not given any valid reason why Iraola or Glasner would be better managers for Arsenal. Or why one should believe that they would perform wonders with Arsenal squad?
              Why should one accept that Arteta is holding Arsenal back?
              Does it now mean that unless one accepts your personal view it then means an emotional attachment?

  7. Should his job be on the line if we win nothing?
    Absolutely.
    Arteta has done nothing that a top manager like Alonso or Simone couldn’t achieve at a club like Arsenal with its huge resources.
    Arteta has improved Arsenal but he has not brought success. Success is the delivery of Premierships and Cup trophies.
    Arteta is a good manager just not a successful one yet…

    1. I noted that there are several clubs very close to our tally. What does your point prove exactly, Reggie? Anyone would think this season that Arsenal are in a world of their own with set pieces. Their efforts were pretty dire on Sunday

      1. We rely heavily on set pieces. Can we win the league relying on set pieces? I do not really need to know about anyone else. Do City rely on set pieces?

        1. You overlooked my point that other teams are using them to good advantage as well. Only City have a better GD so somewhere along the line, goals are being scored.

          The latest stab after the loss is now for some to whinge about the own goal stats. As a wild generalisation, you need to be attacking and not defending, to be in and around the opposition penalty area and be putting that opponent under a lot of pressure to either concede courtesy of a ricochet or cause them to make an error. How they go in is irrelevant

            1. Reggie, at the moment we are four points clear, so, if the season finished today, we would have won the PL relying “so heavily on set pieces”.

              We are also undefeated in the CL, Carabo cup and the FA cup relying so heavily on set pieces and, as SueP pointed out, we have to have been in an attacking position to be able to score from said set pieces.
              Liverpool beat us with a set piece and I don’t remember this condemnation of using a perfectly legal and well thought out way of scoring a goal.

              1. Can we win the league, being over reliant on set pieces? Easy question. Obviously hard to answer.

  8. I was as disappointed and frustrated as anyone but the rhetoric around Arsenal at the moment is simply ridiculous – even on here. It was one game and there is still a way to go. Our squad is good and I am sure they are talking and working problems out on the training field. Have a little faith…

  9. For Glasner and Iraola,go watch what they are doing with inferior players than ours,you can imagine Eze situation with us&compare it to when he was with Glasner.And for your emotional attachment to Arteta,try being a bit flexible in your opinion of him like other fans,that’s criticise him when he’s wrong&praise him when he does well and not all this your defend him at all cost attitude.

      1. Glasner and Iraola are good managers but that does not in itself tell us that they will be the right fit for Arsenal.
        I have given my views as I see fit and I have conversed with you in good faith. If you continue this kind of language be assured I will also respond with words you may not like. I do not take kindly to people misrepresenting my comments or making unnecessary insinuations.

        1. David,

          Just two questions, What sort of language are you talking about, and from whom are you talking of.

    1. You make an interesting analogy about the likes of Glasner and Iraola who have indeed done very well and are not to be underestimated. However, there is no correlation between what they would actually achieve at a bigger club and staying where they are. Nobody knows so I suppose until Arteta gets sacked or decides to take on another challenge, there are no guarantees at all that the new coach/manager will do any better, do worse or stay the same. Potter who was a very popular choice some years back has found his record to be wanting. Frank who left Brentford is having a torrid time at Spurs.

      David is highly supportive of Arteta and that comes through in his posts but he’d have to be half sharp not re-evaluate if the season collapses. So far at least, the season hasn’t collapsed

      1. SueP,

        I’m afraid I don’t share you’re view of David possibly re-evuating his view if the season collapses.

        Reading his constant defending of Arteta, It wouldn’t surprise me that if we got relegated, David would try to put a positive spin on that to.🤦‍♂️

        1. Arsenal are unlikely to fall into this make believe world of collapse that some of you are hoping for. I believe that my comments about Arteta have been fair and balanced. It is a suboptimal run of results but the season is not over. I don’t think it is sensible to be calling for the manager’s head at this time unlike some of those that you are supporting. Arsenal are still well placed to win major titles so it is seems strange that you think an appropriate reaction is to completely rubbish the manager and call for a replacement. How does Arsenal’s current situation relate to your analogy of relegation? It doesn’t make much sense to me.

            1. If you disagree, can you give some examples of comments I have made that have not been fair or balanced.

          1. David,

            One I’ve not been calling for Arteta’s head this season.

            And two, my relegation analogy was just merely pointing out, that with you’re constant defense of Arteta when anyone dares to question him, should we ever be relegated you would still try to spin a positive angle in you’re undying defense of Arteta.

            Hypothetical as my example is.

            1. And your “hypothetical” does not make sense. It’s like me claiming that not only do you consider Arteta a substandard manager but that you would never respect him even if we won a quadruple. You often defend those who are negative about the club and the manager.
              In this instance, I merely questioned the view that that Arsenal should replace the manager with Iraola or Glasner. What has that got do with a “positive spin” and how is that an “undying defence”?

              1. David,

                I’ve never said that Arteta is a sub-standard manager. And I would praise him if he won the League let alone the quadruple.

                Lets just say, that over time on this forum there are to many times in you’re posts that you absolutely will not have anything negative said against Arteta. I’m not the only one to notice it, and you’re constant denials are just to be quite frank, laughable.

                1. Maybe you should engage your brain more. I was simply responding to a post before you’ve come with lies and dishonesty. If you are not willing to engage with the discussion then get lost.

                  1. David,

                    You accuse me of making up lies. And yet in two of you’re posts you accuse me of calling for Arteta’s head this season and that I’ve called him substandard. Both lies coming form you’re mouth.

                    So I think I know who the Lier is, and it certainly isn’t me.

                    1. You have lied again and demonstrated a lack of integrity. The posts are there for anyone to see. You are also now behaving like a troll. As I have said if you are not willing to engage with the discussion you should get lost.

  10. Very surprised at this unnecessary article. Remaining one of the top clubs in the Premier and Champions Leagues is sufficient to ensure Arteta deservedly keeps his job.
    If we slide, things will (i’m sure ) change.

  11. Saturday will be plus 7 in epl and Tuesday one hand on Carabao Cup after beating Chelsea. Heavy lessons learnt to serve as fuel for the season after Man Utd shocker which couldn’t be derived if we had been drawing.

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