Arsenal was held to a goalless draw in their match against Everton this afternoon, as the Gunners dropped two more points in the title race.
Everton is one of the most frustrating teams to face in the Premier League, and they started strongly against Arsenal.
Abdoulaye Doucoure could have opened the scoring for Everton after just six minutes, but Arsenal was fortunate that his header went over the bar.
Sean Dyche’s men are well-trained to endure pressure from top clubs and successfully absorbed Arsenal’s passing movements and the openings the Gunners thought they had created.
Despite dominating possession, Arsenal lacked penetration, as Everton defended resolutely, seemingly aware of every move the Gunners attempted.
Arsenal’s first big chance came after the half-hour mark, but Martin Odegaard’s effort was well saved by Jordan Pickford.
Gabriel Martinelli created the next good chance for himself, aiming for goal, but once again, Pickford was equal to it with another excellent save.
Just after the break, Pickford was called into action again by Bukayo Saka, but he responded superbly, and Everton survived a flurry of Arsenal chances.
Arsenal remained in control after halftime, continuing to push forward, but Everton held their ground. Thomas Partey and Gabriel Jesus came on to add more attacking impetus, but the Toffees continued to ride their luck.
It wasn’t Arsenal’s best-attacking performance, but credit must be given to Everton for showing they are one of the best-drilled sides in the league.
Partey thought he had won a penalty, but after a VAR review, it was not given, and Arsenal ultimately dropped two more points in the title race.
The tactic against Arsenal is clear stay behind the ball and beware of the dead balls…..Tothless
The tactic against Arsenal is clear :stay behind the ball and beware of the dead balls
Toothless
Considering our set pieces were a joke and useless not long ago to be our only weapon this season, we should give a lot of praise to the one who made it happen.
Set pieces are a sticking plaster to try and cover up our ability or inability to create in open play.
It is really sad our game is now predictable no bite in our attack. Teams now know once they can defend deep our attackers will become clueless. How come we do not have ball carriers that can drive in and disrupt opposition’s defense? Our attackers at times appear clueless & lethargic no creativity nor bite.
Really disturbing.
Attack toothless? We don’t need a CF, we put 5 past the keeper in Portugal 😅.
Some positives
We kep a clean sheet
Saved 100M by not buying a CF
Helped Chelsea dispose off their flops
Opened an opportunity for Chelsea to catch Liverpool as they dropped points
If City pip Utd., they will be at same points as us – a friend in need is a friend indeed!
That may all sound stupid, but that is our reality as long as Mikel is incharge. Boring boring Arsenal!
Arteta was too cautious against the sloppy Everton. He should’ve been more adventurous in the second half, by making his fullbacks move forward more often
If only we had an overlapping fullback!
They are all inverted! They can’t do both.
Timber and Lewis-Skelly should’ve been able to exploit Everton’s half-space more often, if they were allowed to do so by Arteta
The afternoon at home turned out to be quite a letdown, especially after missing the chance to capitalize on Liverpool’s slip-up when they dropped points themselves. It felt like a golden opportunity lost!
‘Golden opportunity lost” sounds like the past two seasons. Once is forgiveable, twice is unfortunate and if a third season the same, it’s a habit or the culture.
Perhaps then there should another phase. . Upgrade the manager.
@Gai Honestly, from what I have seen so far this season imo Arteta still lacks a league winning experience. On the contrary, Arsenal today imo are the sloppy side. Playing from the back we don’t move the ball quickly enough. In UCL we play on the ignorance of many teams but Epl is a different kettle of fish.
Matinelli & Trossard aren’t the players we watched last two seasons respectively our left side of attack has been zero this season. There is too much burden on Saka and teams doubling up in him.
We fans mentioned during the summer when the going gets tough Havertz and Jesus limitation s as CF will show and that Bukayo needs a deputy but the gaffer don’t think so.
I remain optimistic and would wait to see how Arteta would win us Epl.
it felt like a couple of years ago before Granit started to move the ball more quickly. We had a lot of back passes. Everton did their job well but we did not push them. Very disappointing.
In my opinion, Arteta lacks the guts to play more adventurously when his primary tactics fail to break the opposition’s defense
His tactics are only great to use if the opposing team don’t assign ten outfield players behind ball and don’t block the half-spaces
Some EPL managers seem to have cracked Guardiola’s and Arteta’s inverted-fullback tactics
I don’t think we’ll win EPL this season, but we might be able to defeat teams from other leagues in UCL
Why does he insist on Martinelli. Odegaard and Rice out for Nwaneri and Jorginho? Even if I were drunk I couldn’t come up with such a horrible substitution. Jorginho had zero business being in this game, and once again he is throwing Nwaneri in at the most inopportune scenarios and expecting miracles. Every game we play now is at a snails pace, summer buys have had zero impact, we dont have a true striker in this entire squad, and our manager just keeps digging himself a deeper hole by doubling down on this dross footballing philosophy that drives everyone to sleep. I just dont understand and it’s frustrating we’ve wasted another season and have gone backwards. These are all his players and him and Edu have failed to build a competitive squad.
Actually, forgot Saka is NOT his player he is Emery’s. And Saliba is also a club buy without Edu or Arteta’s involvement. Funny that.
Let the new manager search begin! Mikel Arteta is history.
I think Arteta is playing for top 4. This is obviously not an EPL winning team playing style
Right!!!!!!! This result was 100% down to Arteta. The fact he dropped Partey to accommodate a very poor Merino and start Martinelli who continues to produce JS. The pace and style of play is just awful. We are so slow in transition of the ball. We have NO striker. He bring Jesus on as striker, whose first touch is in our half and whose last touch 5 mins into injury time is in our half. This is the 3rd premier league game in a row we have failed to score in open play!!!! He take off Rice and leaves on a struggling Merino, keeps Partey on the bench and when he brings him on HE SWAPS TIMBER TO LB AND PLAYS PARTEY RIGHT. Really? What plan is that to win a game. Our crosses into the box are late and aimless. Arteta this style of football is s#!t and your lop sided, slow burning style of football is never ever going to win anything ever.
I thought Arteta said before the game he wanted to score more in open play; did I misunderstand him?
Same tactics, same right-sided attack, same risk averse slow possession based build up as always.
At this point I don’t think the players are the problem, especially considering the depth we have now.
I think the problem is the manager’s predictable tactics and style of play.
How many LB’s have we tried? How many different inverted LB’s? How many different left side combinations of attackers and defenders? Yet the left side is DOA and Odegaard rarely shifts to that side.
Players only carry out manager’s instructions, or don’t get selected. Hard to defend Arteta at this point, is he irreplaceable as some believe?
Can’t really see why he is not. What@the reason to keep him beyond this year or next?
“The Process?”
Style of play?
Development of players?
Of youth?
His trophy haul?
I would say there are quite a few managers out there that could spend 800 million, get a free pass for 3 years, have us in the top 4, and not win the PL or CL.
On the nail!!!
Eager to read what are this week excuses.
Was watching a Liverpool game today because I had not watched them properly this season. They are a very average team. If its not a fluke, Slot has a very bright career ahead.
@Goonster, Akshay, David, Herr Dierr, Thrill, Neutral what is going wrong with us?
Two successive draws against opponents we should have beaten. Can we continue counting how many difficult games Liverpool have and how easy our fixtures are?
Slot is clearly overachieving. They also had a red card against Fulham too yet were the better team. The way they are playing even when they don’t win shows they are still favorites to win the league.
HH, i got hammered because i said they were an average team. Slot is wringing everything out of an average Liverpool. Arteta is not wringing anything. If it was not for the investment we would be struggling in 8th. Are we to 4 because of Arteta or in spite of Arteta. I think we should be doing better than we are.
Top 4 not to 4.
Average Team? Our squad is good enough to be competing for the title. But the problem is the manager is holding them back. Except for set pieces, Arteta has nothing more to offer the players. Time to show him the red card.
And he doesn’t do set pieces.
I remember that Reggie. When you asked which players from Liverpool they would swap with Arsenal players you didn’t receive an answer. To this day!
Still waiting?
I thought about that question Reggie and decided that it wasn’t as straightforward to answer as one might think. Salah and VVD are superb players. Both are nearing the twilight of their careers so I wouldn’t swap them. A team is also the sum of its parts and not just about individuals
Then and now, I don’t see it as an important question but you obviously did
Sue, you pointed out to me, that Liverpool were not an average side. I pointed out (to not only you) that how many players would you or anyone swap. The onlytwo stand ours were Salah and VVD. But as you stated, I would keep Saka over Salah and Saliba over VVD. The rest are not as good and I would not have any bar maybe the keeper. The point also is Slot is getting extra out of Liverpool, Is Arteta out of Arsenal?
Against an opponent Liverpool “should have beaten”
How did it go?
I truly do not believe in individually ” big matches or small matches ” in the EPL or any other football league because points for win (3), draw (1), lose (0), are fixed, not variable.
Whatever it takes for a team to win – Arsenal just about did.
Controlled the game
Got shots on target, conceded none.
BUT did not score, did not WIN.
What is going wrong with us?
I think an appropriate word for this week’s excuse is REALITY.
Martinelli and Jesus need to be moved on, they are just taking up seats on the bus! No impact from either yet again
Add Zinchenco, Jorginho to the list, and free up Tieney and Tommy’s spaces. I was so sad watching the game that I’m still very sad at the moment. I’m honestly tired of seeing Arteta leading the group, he’s run out of ideas. He’s not the one to take us the the premise land.
Maresca went to a relegated Leicester, won the championship and brought them back to EPL. Now in his first season in EPL, second behind Liverpool, top of the conference league table.
Alonso took a team struggling in bottom half of tge Bundesliga and in 18 months won the league unbeaten.
Sloth is top of the table in both EPL and UCL in his first season.
See what Brighton new coach is doing.
See Bournemouth coach.
A good coach doesn’t need 6years of building and “trusting the process”.
The fact of the matter is any average manager given unlimited funds and a lot of time is bound to finish 2nd once or twice.
But the difference between an average manager and really good manager is winning trophies.
No matter how many years of patience and how much is being spent an average manager will not win trophies. Arteta will continue to be average as long as there are no trophies.
If Slot and Maresca finish above Arteta even if he doesn’t get the sack he won’t get the continued patience from supporters except those who see Arteta as a trophy we all need.
Can’t agree more.
HH,
Well put, but I can just see steam coming out of certain fans ears.😣.
Not mine though, remember trust the process.🤦♂️
@ Splendid, thank you very much, this has been my problem with some of our fans. We keep making excuses that he is building his own team. Now let me ask this question, for those Arteta diehard, how many years has Slot spent in Liverpool, how many players are his? We pamper failures in arsenal, and reward mediocre with unjustified excuses. I’ve said it many times that Arteta will never win us the league. He is not brave, and he lacks the know how to get us over the line.
the title can go anywhere.. but when you have to rely on
an 18 year old to try to create something out of nothing
you know you’re in trouble.. Timbers worst game for AFC
and a ? mark for Merino !!
Well I won’t stay up to watch MOTD. Listening on the radio was awful enough
I don’t know how good the chances were that Pickford saved but in games like these you have to score if you have any designs on the league title. I know there will be twists and turns but surely Arteta has to come up with something if there is to be any chance at all.
The half time whistle and near silence from the crowd said it all and Liverpool dropping points has only served to help Chelsea
Yep, bad result and frustrating performances. Unfortunately, we lack sufficient firepower up front.
David,
I don’t understand the whole FFP situation, but I got the impression that Arteta was looking to bolster the attacking option in the summer and nothing came of it.
The team was strong enough today to have made a better fist of it and it is down to Arteta to find a solution for this season, because at present, we are not now looking competitive
The team is strong in many areas but we still lack something up front with Havertz as main striker in this type of game. GJ is also misfiring so we have limited effective striking options from the bench. Our main options are in wide areas and in MF.
Arteta Sue did nothing at all to win this game.
Reggie,
The difference between watching and seeing it is immense. The radio weren’t negative about Arsenal but described Everton as dogged to the core. I am not trying to be an Arteta apologist – which I guess you think I am – but we did have chances that we didn’t capitalise on. And I did read your post from the other article and saw where you were coming from regarding our inability to score from open play (in the league)
Sue our play whatever Arteta did was the same. Same pace same direction, same everything. His style is not effective in a lot of games we play. 3 prem games now and no open play goal. Says it all. He sets the style of play Sue.
Reggie,
Are you blaming Sue for doing nothing to win the game. A bit harsh I think.😂🤣😉👍
🤣🤣No Sue would do better than Arteta🙃
Reggie,
I won’t argue with you there, she probably would.😉👍
Shall I apply if a vacancy arises Derek?😉
SueP,
You most certainly should, you’ve got my complete backing on this one.😉👍
👍
SueP,
Don’t be to hasty now, you might need to watch if only to help you sleep.🤣😂😉👍
Derek,
FYI,
I have Strictly on record while him and me watch the Forest /Villa game. Martinez is earning his money tonight! Can you imagine, 2 and a half hours of Strictly. Happy days. Straight to beddy byes after that and no desire at all to watch a goal less draw bore
SueP,
Your evening sounds better than mine.😉👍
Everyone new how everton would set up. We needed jorgihno’s pass to open them up and Trossard’s creativity. What we got was Martinelli slowing things down by putting the ball in between his legs time and again
Raya
Timber Saliba Gabriel Kiwior
Partey Rice
Saka Odegaard G.jesus
Havertz
If we started this team, there is no way that match would have ended 0-0.
What is this nonsense about resting players. And must Martinelli start?
Jesus and Kiwior?????? Not for me.
Jesus has a better contribution to the team than Martinelli, Kiwior is a better defender than the young Lewis.
Not for me.
Jesus has been poor for 10 months now. He plays his own game and isn’t a team player. I don’t think even he knows what he is doing. Waste of a team place.
It’s not about the players. Everyone is playing under his level in this team this season, except Saka. Arsenal’s mentality lacks the fighting spirit, Liverpool has. I blame Arteta. No hope for title with him.
We are as sharp as a dessert spoon, we got what we deserved. They played like a team who has had a two week break and we played like a team who didn’t.
They played like a team bottom of the league. We didn’t play like a top of the table team. Nothing to do with rests. We had something like 80% of play most of the game and played very badly.
Jesus, martinelli, jorginho, Merino, Havertz, zichenko all need to go
and whoever is behind the signing of Sterling who is on 325k per week should be shot.
We are not paying sterling that. But he was a poor signing even though he is only costing 100k a week. I wouldn’t give him £100 a week. Waste of time.
Oh yes let’s blame Sterling who wasn’t on the pitch. Arteta’s said which was reported earlier today “When he hasn’t started the games, 90 per cent of the subs that I make are related to saving minutes or because of injuries or avoiding injuries. It’s not for tactical reasons. I would like him to play much more as I think he can impact the team in a very good way. ” Basically Arteta is losing credibility but the important thing is results and trophies. My fear he is becoming “Wengerlite” . Top 4 without the cups
No Mark but I think the point is WHY?
Everton was tied for 10th in the league in # of goals allowed after 15 matches with several clubs putting multiple goals up against them including MU recently. The problem today was not their stout and impenetrable defense. No excuses. Toothless.
Merino is a flop 😕
I don’t think he is as good as that!🤣
This was excruciating to watch. I think Arteta is going backwards. Slow predictable bad positional play no threat inside the box and horrible substitutions and starting 11.
Martinelli Jesus should not be on the field.
Skelly i read somewhere he was excellent. That is the furthest from the truth. Yes he is 18 and promising but slow lacking any cutting edge.
when i watch Arsenal take 4 passes waiting for the opposition to “bite” before they move the ball forward I think why is Arteta undermining the intelligence of other managers ? They watch analyze adjust and have a plan which worked the last 2 games. What was our plan or at least plan B if we did not get on the scoreboard after a lackluster first half? Painful all i can say. He should watch Chelsea and maybe steal some ideas.
No no, we drew today because of injuries and poor reffing🫢
Reggie,
I take it your joking right.
🤫
Stop talking about the Title race. Just stop. The left side of Arsenal’s offense is playing at a relegation level. Name one title winning club that plays at a relegation level in any phase of the game. £750 million and this team can only score through one player or on set pieces. Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot
You are becoming like Arteta complicating the simple WTF.
? ? I have no idea what you mean.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? = WTF much simpler.
Arteta would invert the “W” and play the “F” on the left so it would be “FWT”……..you know, for “tactical” reasons.
🤣🤣
I’m not really into statistics,,,, but Martin Odegaard as an Arsenal captain has been hooked off the pitch 22 times when Arsenal are drawing or losing. Show me an Arsenal captain of the past that that has happened to. He goes missing way too much. I know a few Norwegians who don’t rate him. They say Norway are more creative and score more when he’s not there. They may have a valid point of view. That match was so disappointing and was a difficult watch. It would not surprise me if the Kronkes are just content with top four finishes. Those bastards love their money. Old Stan did say years ago that he was not in it for trophies. At least no one can blame the referee for todays 0-0 draw. There’s only one person to blame for this drab, gutless, toothless football we are witnessing. And I don’t think he’s going anywhere too soon. As long as Arteta gives the Kronkes a top four finish, they will be satisfied
pjennings,
That’s something I’ve touched on in my piece below.
I thought Odegaard was meant to be one of the most influential players at the club, apparently not.
In the last season these are the games we dropped points:
Losses:
1-3 vs. Manchester City (home)
0-1 vs. Newcastle United (away)
1-2 vs. Brighton (away)
Draws:
2-2 vs. Liverpool (home)
1-1 vs. Southampton (away)
0-0 vs. Chelsea (home)
2-2 vs. West Ham (away)
2-2 vs. Nottingham Forest (home)
L3 and D5. This season already L2 and D6 and we are not halfway yet. Evidence we are moving backwards this season.
Why are you posting false info? it’s pathetic
Well your iq is the same as your card 0 cause he is posting fake stats. Many of those teams are wrong
@Ackshay,,,, I never commented on those team stats that Gunner Ninja quoted. I mentioned Martin Odegaard being hooked off 22 times as an Arsenal captain when the team is drawing or losing. I don’t recall Tony Adams or Patrick Vieira being hooked off as Arsenal captains 22 times
So why tf were u replying to me when i never even interacted with you.
Now clear Arteta is truly a Spanish Tony Pulis.😕
The man has no knowledge of how to make a team play attractive football.
Why does he keep benching Kieran Tierney who is a pure LB, for Skelly and kiwior?
Why did he sign Merino when it’s clear a Poor version of Xhaka.
And why or how on Earth does he think Havertz will deliver him an EPL title.
Arteta is as Deluded AF!😠😒
Where do I start.
Firstly, has anyone else noticed how many times Arteta subs Odegaard (The club Captain). And it isn’t only recently because he’s not long been back from injury, he’s been subbed on a number of occasions.
Now if we were winning comfortably I can understand maybe protecting him for other coming games. But when your chasing a game, I find it odd that you take the club Captain and supposedly one of your most influential players off.
I’m not saying being club Captain should protect you from being subbed, but it doesn’t happen as much at other teams as it seems to happen at ours.
Now to Mr Arteta’s decision concerning moving Timber to left back, and playing Partey at right back. I banged on the other day about Tierney getting game time, Arteta has just shown me again what a bad decision maker he can be. Why oh why didn’t he just bring on Tierney and play Partey in midfield.
Then he brings on the dynamic player that is Jesus to save the day. (Even the real Jesus would struggle to save this lot🤦♂️).
Now I know that Arteta can only work with what he’s got, but he knew this before the season started.
I’m sorry but the likes of Sterling, Jesus, Havertz, Trossard, and Martinelli just won’t cut it. Even when were winning, if fans are honest with themselves these players ain’t exactly pulling up any trees then are they.
So, really were getting what we deserve, if that’s the quality (and I use that word lightly), that were relying on.
And finally a word about the (great man that is Arteta🤦♂️), speaking to Sky Sports after the game, he said that we thoroughly deserved to win the game. He said the intensity we played with in the second half was excellent.
We didn’t deserve to win the game, if we did we would have scored wouldn’t we.
Possession doesn’t win games, its what you do with it that does that, something that seems to have escaped our manager.
The issue is arteta insistence on using Partey as right back so as to accommodate merino and /or haverts. All this is just force Partey to be our newt back so that if he starts to play badly he could sell him off, the same method he employed to force Ramsdale away. Im convinced if he could do same with saka he wouldn’t hesitate. Look at martinelli, he has no impact in any game we play, can’t dribble can’t cross, can’t score with his weaker foot yet he has given him more opportunity than he gave Nketiah, Smith rowe and Nelson combined.
Im starting to see what fans who do not belive in arteta saw. He plays with the favoritism mentality, and he has his favorites. Tell me, we have a natural LB sitting on the bench since the sporting cp game, yet he has refused to utilise him just so that Partey will forcefully converted to RB. Its a real shame.
Not sure why Odergaard gets pulled, and why he’s getting criticism. Imagine the team without him (like when he was injured). Merino has his moments but really looks a bona fide flop. Lot of odd decisions from Arteta today.
Sensible Gooner,
Odd decisions today? and the rest.
Fair.
Can excuse odd bad performance in busy schedule, but not ongoing bad decisions.
Not breaking new ground, but summer window increasingly looks shocker. Merino slow flop, Califiori slow and injury prone, paying Sterling 100k to sit on bench, let ESR go and didn’t fill the most glaringly obvious gap. Can only hope was all Edu’s fault!
Sensible Gooner,
The buck stop with Arteta.
For me, I am not disappointed because I have known it long ago that Arteta isn’t the man to take Arsenal to the promise land. Arteta can never win Arsenal the league neither can he win any major trophies. He lacks what it takes. I have known this for long and am no long always expecting much from him. Arteta is so average and so poor that he never takes chances when they show up. For how long are you going to continue trusting this process? How much time does he need? This thing isn’t working at all
Sir Felly,
Arise sir, I couldn’t have put it better myself.😉👍
Considering City are having one of their worst seasons so far, if they beat United tomorrow they will be level with us and back in the title race. I agree that Liverpool are flattering to deceive and cannot believe they are that far ahead. I didn’t watch our game against Everton so can’t really comment except that this was supposed to be a home banker.
Slot just showed us what a good manager is and why our novice is not at a winning standard. Liverpool with 10 man for 75 mins didnt withdraw back in their shell and nearly won the game, our chicken of a novice panics with 10 man and absolutely doesnt know how to play against a parked bus. Sideways tactics that allows the bus to get into position and you wonder why you cant break it down. No movement up front where once the players get into their allocated positiin, they stay there, regardless of where the play is at.
How the hell has martinelli and rice regressed even more this season??
You need a goal and you send in jorginho?? and Partey?? Echoes of end of wenger where the subs were just for the sake of maintaining his play book and not for the situation.
We have to face the reality that Arsenal are not ready to challenge for the EPL. As much as we thought they were it’s obvious now that the squad is still short in terms of quality. Although we have more depth.
Everton comes with perfect plan to stop us and we play like clueless and have no idea at all what we were doing. Joke.
Arteta is the most overated coach at this moment if he thinks we can win the league with Harvetz leading the line then he needs to go and help this former boss. Whats the use of playing slow football
Chris,
How spot on you are.
We’ve needed a striker for three seasons now, but Arteta decides the team need Calafiori, Merino, and the like ahead of the obvious need for a striker.
5 seasons and counting.🤦♂️
Very disappointed with the result. Although I knew Everton would play a low block against us, I still thought we would win. Lack of movement by the players meant our play was to slow.
Long way to go before the season ends, I’m pretty sure there will be some twists and turns, so I’m not writing us off.
Herr Drier,
I know it’s hard but let it go. Save yourself the disappointment.
It’s the hope that kills you.🤦♂️
Derek, if I had that attitude I would be in a wheelchair, but im a believer that one should never give up, and so I can walk with the aid of a wheeled walker. So I won’t give up on the club until it’s mathematical impossible.
Herr Drier,
Fare play to you, I wish I had your faith.😉👍
Not everyone is as narrow minded and pessimistic as you are Derek
Admin Pat,
I’m not narrow minded, I call it as I see it.
It’s just certain people don’t like it, well that’s there problem not mine.
You Are narrow-minded….
Narrow-minded describes a person who is intolerant and unreceptive to different opinions or ideas. Such individuals often hold rigid beliefs, dismissing perspectives that differ from their own, which can lead to prejudice and bias. Common synonyms include bigoted, biased, and illiberal. This mindset reflects a limited worldview, where one fails to appreciate the diversity of experiences and thoughts
So Derek, I take it that you would rather give up and be in a wheelchair than believe you could walk again ?
Herr Drier,
What are we talking about here.
Of course I wouldn’t give up and settle for the wheelchair if I could walk.
But what the heck has that got to do with Arsenal winning a trophy.
WITH:
over 70% ball possession
made 5 shots on target
conceded 0 shots ( both on and off target )
conceded 0 yellow cards.
I’d take the POOR ARSENAL narrative if it is accepted any team that does not win, is poor.
Then Liverpool, too, were poor.
And there is going to be at least one more poor team today in the encounter between the Manchester clubs.
Funny how this site have two different sets of fans of the same club. One for the good days and the other for the bad days. 😂😂