Was this Arsenal’s big mistake yesterday? by DN
I listened to Arsene Wenger before the West Ham game saying that he didn’t like to change a winning side, but I was still sure that he would have brought Petr Cech back into the first team. This completely threw me as Wenger made it clear previously that he couldn’t turn down the chance to buy Cech because of his calmness and experience of winning trophies, never mind his excellent clean sheet record.
Petr is the one player in the Arsenal side with a massive trophy haul, and has played in pressure-filled games all through his career with spectacular results. Ospina is no doubt a very good keeper, but Cech’s massive size and presence is always a factor in every game, and just how many points has he saved us already this season?
I think Wenger made a big mistake by not returning Cech to the starting line-up yesterday considering this was a total must-win, all-or-nothing showdown, which is the perfect scenario for Cech to show his worth on the big stage.
Wenger reckons that it would have made no difference to yesterday’s result. He said: “The thinking [behind choosing Ospina] was that he has had some outstanding performances. With Petr Cech or David Ospina, we have exactly the same problem in the air. We didn’t concede in the last two games. Since the beginning of the season, we have had exactly the same problem, no matter who plays.”
Really Arsene? Well I disagree completely. Ospina and Co failed to dominate our penalty area when the crosses came in, and I am certain that Cech would have dealt with the aerial threat much better than Ospina. He would definitely have stopped at least one of those goals going in.
There is no doubt. Wenger shoud have gone to Cech-Savers!
By the way, what if Liverpool goes on and wins the Europa League, will they get a CL spot?
The Spain have five teams this year! Even we come number 4 we still play Champion Leagues
Yep, I totally agree Cech would have dominated the crossing game. But then again, Wenger’s loyalty is killing him. Not sure when he will understand that these players are professionals and if the boss (that’s him) is thinking other formation then the players just have to accept it. But then again, seeing Gabriel yesterday I wonder what difference Cech could have made. Well, nothing to say now. Is really done.
Leicester city apparently have wrapped up the Epl title!
” Wenger should have gone to Cech Savers” ???
That’s very funny man!!…
But Wenger should have gone!!! … Full Stop! ???
Enough is enough… I’m fed up with feeling depleted!
It doesn’t matter who he signs in the summer,
it will still be the same old senario’s!.. With the same old senile demented fool.
We need a massive clear out. … Starting with the Manager and finishing with Walcott! ???
Indeed Wenger should leave end of story
Silent Stan should leave first.
Shouldn’t listen to 5 min fans like yourself, what do you know????
“Derp, media says it is Wenger, I will moan about him.”
Think for yourself and do not act like a sheep.
Wenger and Dein = winning formula.
Wenger and Gazidis = failure.
Dein wanted to win things.
Silent Stan and his yes man, Ivan the Terrible, they want profits.
Must be Wenger??
Wenger has faults but having a weak SQUAD is due to Silent Stan.
Silent Stan has bought players for Wenger, Wenger has actually said Welbz wouldn’t be here now if Wenger had stayed at home to stop it, maybe Wenger wanted a CF that could perform ‘now’ instead of potential?
I doubt even Pep could do much more with a boss like Silent Stan, then again I doubt Pep would accept a job with a boss who wasn’t interested in winning titles.
Totally given up on the has been incompetent one!
Get rid of Wenger and the next manager will be set up to fail by THE OWNER.
THE OWNER will give the next manager targets of profit profit and more profit. Forget championships, profit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you too short sighted to recognize that the management of Arsenal FC as a WHOLE is failing.
Having an owner who isn’t interested in winning stuff will only replace Wenger with a manager who he thinks can save like Wenger, do you wants to turn into Villa???????
Villa have had managers that should have at least saved Villa from relegation but they all failed.
We do not need a “massive clear out…. Starting with the manager”, we just need a new owner, an owner who will be willing to invest in the team to win titles. There is no guarantee to win titles but at least us fans would feel that the owner had the same goals as us fans.
Those of you who have thumbed this comment down should read what Kroenke said at the conference in USA. He actually said “if you want to win championships you would never get involved”. By “you” he meant himself.
If he is not involved to win championships then why is he involve. Must be to make money.
@Fat boy, isn’t it overboard to call someone old enough to be your father a demented fool? Its preposterous to do that. You may not want him any more, no problem with that. But using such negative adjectives on a man that refused the lure of money to serve you when things were bad is not good enough. Your frustration and anger are well documented and understandable but we are Arsenal, we ooze class, we are disciplined and cultured. Respect begets respect. Show this man some honor. He won’t be here for ever
Arsene Wenger must go,he came in 96 at the time Arsenal had 10 titles and Man United had 10 as well but Fergie went on to win 11 more titles taking their tally to 21 and in Wenger’s 20 years he’s won only 3 titles with NO european trophies!
Yet Wenger was winning things when he had David Dein supporting him on the board.
Dein got forced out by profit orientated owners, they bump the share prices up with little actions like promise us fans that they will not sell to a single majority share holder only to turn around and sell to Silent Stan once enough was offered.
Once Dein was forced out we stopped winning titles.
Please learn that a manager does not do EVERYTHING, the board may allow us to believe that but that is in their benefit, they can keep on making profit without risk of us fans uniting against them.
Dein and Wenger know that a team needs investment to be consistent real challengers for titles, that is why they broke Arsenals own transfer record on a much more regular basis then we have since Gazidis came into Arsenal.
I’m not a plastic fan, I am into Arsenal so much that I will pay attention to things like the courts blocking Silent Stan from renting out our stadium during the season for gigs etc, how would that benefit Arsenal? Give us 1 more excuse to use after losing? Poor pitch cost us points…
That is what Arsenals owner is like.
You have a look at his other sports teams and see how little they win.
You have a look at how he treats his other sports teams as CASH COWS.
Silent Stan does not want championships, he wants profit. So your post about titles means sweet FA to our owner and you should not expect that to change unless the owner changes his assets targets.
Arsenal should have gone for Rhinosacker’s height and Cech saver, are all after thoughts.
In as likable are these thoughts, Arsenal failed to win yesterday match against West Ham because of the lack of goal scoring form of Welbeck who led the line for Arsenal.
I saw this failure coming. Hence, I advised the Boss to start Walcott to lead the line for Arsenal. The center forward striking problem was responsible for Arsenal not winning the match yesterday.
And to my surprise, Walcott’s goal provider in the Watford match – Campbell was excluded from the Boss’ match day squad. It’s hard to understand the rational behind the Boss’ starts a times.
Now that Leicester need to collect 6 additional points to the 72 they’ve gotten already to be certain of beating Arsenal to the title, the Boss starts against Palace and WBA must be such a starts that will out matched whatever these 2 clubs starts have on offer against the Boss’ starts for the 2 matches.
Ospina is not the problem, the biggest mistake we make year after year is keeping the same Manager…….no tactics, predictable you name it ……WENGER out
Yet Wenger is the only manager to have wins against the Foxes.
If he was so inapt then Raneiri would have exploited it and walked away with 3 points like he has against so many so called top managers.
Andy Carroll was lucky to be on the pitch, his 1st yellow was only a yellow due to the ref, I have seen many refs give a red for his dangerous tackle.
He also avoided a clear 2nd yellow when the ref stumbled and missed Carroll elbowing an Arsenal player in the face.
As for WHU coming back into the game, that is not Wengers fault but the players, Wenger was not on the pitch and we had gone 2-0 up… so his starting tactics was fine. Shame the players let us all down.
Maybe if the board got the players he wants then it wouldn’t look so headless at times, being given Welbeck to resolve our CF issue has only made it worse, Wenger needed a top CF and the owner failed him.
Bro you need to stop vouching for this man his time is up, is because fans like you that we will never win anything of importance ever again…..it does not hurt you as an ARSENAL fan to see the SPUDS ahead of you and Leicester winning the PL………grow some spine and join the cause WENGER needs to leave this summer anything else is unacceptable.
Surely Mike Dean will score for the Spuds in the second half ????????????
Mike Dean has just broken the record for the longest knee slide celebration …. a whopping 45 yards ???
3 goals in 5 minutes for the spuds … at least wenger will be pleased that the gap between us and utd remains the same.
Spuds just scored 1-0 deli alli
I don’t even care if it sounds arrogant, but this is turning out to be our worst season ever, not simply due to the fact a team in the championship two seasons ago has now surpassed us to practically win the premier league, but for all the taunts we’ve given spurs they look like the only team able to challenge them, this all in a season where our usual rivals have capitulated.
The 8-2, 6-0, 5-1, 6-3 losses were hard to swallow and surely should have signalled the end for wenger, but if we allow spurs to win a pl before us there is no sane fan who can actually still admit he should be sat there next season
Whether they win it or not.
Wenger has well passed his use by date.
I’m sure this comes as no surprise to most on here.
Two of my good mates are arsenal fans, and for a couple of years now I have been telling them it would require a change in manager to get us challenging, surprisingly after not having seen them for much of the season only last week they were still undecided as to whether we should get rid and one of them is a season ticket holder!
I get the feeling that there are still some fans who share this opinion when it couldn’t be more blatantly obvious where the main fault lies, in a season where we can’t look at injuries (as per usual) due to the negligence of the coach only appointing one player in petr cech, finances seeing as leicester have barely spent anything on players, stability seeing as arsene was the most experienced manager to realistically challenge there are simply no more excuses.
The list of incompetence is endless jt.
It’s amazing really he has been here so long. Only the boards lack of ambition and fiscally ruled bedfellow relationship and admiration with him has kept him here this long.
Hopefully this will end soon with the disaster that is most likely going to unfold this season.
2016, the year spurs passed us by… sad… please LC, keep winning…
My biggest flop of the match was Gabriel. He was like a lost sheep on the first goal, worse than a bag of potatoes on the corner on 2-2 (really should’ve marked Carroll better) and for 3-2 he was the direct reason Ospina didn’t save it, AND he didn’t mark Carroll, being such an obvious goal threat in those situations. Gabriel was horrendous yesterday, and it’s not the first time he’s been to blame. Both Gabriel and Mertesacker should be replaced imo.
Szczesny, Gabriel, Mertesacker, Debuchy, Arteta, Flamini, Rosicky and Walcott should all leave (and be replaced) this summer. Add Gibbs, Campbell and Giroud on that list and we have a whole starting 11 haha! (Not that I want the last three to leave)
To think fans wanted Mertesacker to be dropped for ages and Gabriel get a run of games. I’ve been wondering who scouted Gabriel and what they actual saw, because I see a reckless player who severely lacks composure. Did you see how he kicked out at Carroll by doing a split on his back after losing the ball? Luckily Carroll fouled him first otherwise we could have easily been a man down again. That reminded me of the Chelsea game at the bridge when he kicked backed a Costa. Remember when fans were crying out for a World Class CB? Then we got Gabriel and now fans are now not only asking yet again for a WC CB but 2. Lol that says a lot about him after just a season and a half…
Thon manager we have should have been outed 3 years ago. Pure dung, cant do, won’t do haven’t a clue. That’s wonger.
3-0 spuds and a bundle!
And I thought Arsenal were bad.
I can see maybe Tottenham winning the title on goal difference. West Ham and Everton can give Leicester a very troubling game. It might come down to the current champions Chelsea, they still have to play both Leicester and Tottenham.
They can get it down to 4 points if West Ham beat Leicester next weekend, which is a strong possibility.
Then we dread the worst…
Man United humiliated by spurs!
too bad we couldnt do that to MU a few weeks back. thats when it all went pear shaped.
CAPS DO NOT MEAN ANGER MOST OF THE TIME , SOMETIMES MEANS SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE AN EMPHASIS TO A POINT SO MINE IS: STOP BLAMING OSPINA ( LAST YEAR WAS OUTSTANDING COVERING ) , STOP BLAMING GABRIEL ( WE SHOULD STOP CROSSES ), LECOQ DUCKED ON THE SECOND GOAL INSTEAD OF GOING FOR THE AERIAL CHALLENGE DM’S ARE THERE FOR, OH MERT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE? HE ALWAYS LOSE AERIAL BATTLES WITH THAT HIGH, SANCHEZ SHOULD HAVE TAKE SHOT WITH THE LEFT? POTATO AND POTATOES HE SCORED AND MANY WERE HAPPY AT THAT POINT. RIGHT, STOP BLAMING KROENKE AS THE COACH LIKE PEP OR MOURINHO WOULD ASK FOR FUNDS TO IMPROVE THE TEAM OURS NEVER SO WHO’S FAULT IT? we bottled the legue, that’s the FACT because Our beloved COACH thought with the squad we have was enough and did not get any outfield player in both windows plus got rid off deadwood and overrated players whereas WE ” THE FANS ” know a WC CB, WC DM and WC ST ( 30 plus season goals ) have been needed for years now..IF SPUDS FINISH ABOVE US it is time to really , really show OUR FRUSTRATION OUT ( NOT VIOLENCE ) BUT BOYCOTT GAMES AND PROTEST LIKE IN SPAIN DO..they are beat the worse Man Utd team ever and we Lost..not a good weekend.
I hear you buddy and agree with a lot of what you’re saying but they’re some points I don’t agree with. We all have our opinions game after game but in the end we want what’s best for the club. For me I get absolutely NO comfort when Gabriel is in the team sheet, I’ve been paying special attention to to him since Per has been benched and to me he’s reckless in different ways. Yes the fullbacks should be cutting off the crosses and Coq shouldn’t have ducked but those fullbacks and Coq have been performing way better and more consistently for a while now so cut them some slack. Gabriel is one the main reasons we are out of the FA Cup when Ighalo turned him inside out. Yesterday was not a 1 off for him as it’s happened before. As far as Spurs are concerned, if anything we should learn humility because not only do they absolutely look like finishing above us finally they have been the best team in London and 1 of the best in the league this season all bias aside.
JAmerican, i understand your point to but here seems a game of blaming someone whenever there is a defeat and bottling the title but nobody blames our COACH. you know, most know that our squad needs 3 players only to be title contenders year IN and year OUT plus make decent runs n UCL but we NEVER FIND SPECIAL ONES OUT THERE. I swear god the SCOUTS TEAM SHOULD BE FIRED..just to name PAYET ( wenger said he’s 28 when scouted ) better than flamini, ox and theo combined, isn’t he? , ABU ( 30 plus goals a season ) he’s valued 35 millions in january now cost 65 milions or more ( Pep wants him at Shity ), we got OG, THEO and WELBECK ( combined 30 goals season ) , Hummels ( No we got BFG and KOS ).., Lars Bendner ( No, we got LeCoq, Arteta, Flamini ) etc, etc..it does not justified the PAIN AND SHAME WE CARRY ON FOR 12 YEARS NOW. the excuses were that the move to the emirates but it is 5 years since our financial siituation has been solid ( 200 millions ) but we go to PRIMARK to compete..SOUR, SAD, HUMILLIATED BY MY NEXT DOOR SPUDS BUDDY..AND SEASON TO FORGET BUT CHANGE IS NEEDED AS SOON AS THE SEASON ENDS. what do you think?
“RIGHT, STOP BLAMING KROENKE AS THE COACH LIKE PEP OR MOURINHO WOULD ASK FOR FUNDS TO IMPROVE THE TEAM OURS NEVER SO WHO’S FAULT IT?”
And if Silent Stan said no then he said no.
Silent Stan has openly said he doesn’t want championships, he wants profit.
Wenger arrived with Dein on the board, Dein also done transfers.
Did you know that?
Wenger and Dein built up a close friendship and they still talk today about players. Communication was clear between manager and the guy who done transfers.
Dein got forced out by the other board members because he wanted to invest in the club but the other members wanted to boost share prices safely.
The man who Wenger could go to and get the players he wanted and needed was gone.
Nasri was sold by Silent Stan for profit after Wenger had given his word that Nasri would stay.
Gazidis and Silent Stan went ahead and bought Welbz for Wenger and Wenger actually came out and said something for once… he said that if he stayed home then Welbz wouldn’t be with us.
Pep or who-ever you wanna say will have the same stuff to deal with, an owner who wants profit over titles. An owner who will not buy who you want but get a ‘cheap’ option.
You may of wanted to emphasis a point with caps but you used it too much dude ^.^
I see stuff like that and think that the poster must not have much of a point if he needs to ‘shout’ it, I wouldn’t have replied if I hadn’t seen you defend an owner who has openly said that he isn’t interested in championships :O
Do you agree with Silent Stan and we shouldn’t be in it for ‘championships’?
Well If it is as you said, a “winning manager” with a reputation would have resigned and fans would see who actually the guilty one for our failures is. I’m not defending Kroenke..there is a board so if the coach comes out every single windows with the same C*** we are in the market then come out we did not find someone who can upgrade our team..then I BLAME HIM not Kroenke. he mislead us every single time for 12 years , does not him?
SHUT UP ALREADY GET YOUR HEASD OUT OF WENGERS ….NOSE AND SMELL THE COFFEE….KROENKE PAID FOR OZIL, SANCHEZ, CECH AND STILL LE FRAUD HAS BEEN UNABLE TO ACHIEVE ANYTHING….THE FAULT LIES ON THIS MAN ONLY
Even Peter schmeichel said speaking a while ago as part of a panel that he must admit man United were skinned apart by the spurs attack!
Six points clear of fifth with six to go, top four trophy here we come again!
Wenger has to explain how in a season where all of the top dogs have fallen off the pace this squad still can’t lift the trophy that has eluded them for 12 years now.
Wenger should explain that after so called top managers like LvG etc explain how they failed to get a victory against the Foxes.
Jose should explain how he fluffed Chavski up so much before Wenger has to explain himself.
No human being is perfect, I know Wenger has his faults, there are larger issues to deal with first though.
Why do we have an owner who openly says that he isn’t interested in championships, does he think that the players are not affected by knowing that their goal is to make profit over winning things they want to win?
Silent Stan should explain himself before Wenger.
When we got an owner like that then we can only dream of replacing Wenger with a manager who could do better in the league, to be honest I think we would be delusional in thinking we would actually get a football manager to replace Wenger but rather we would end up with an ex banker who has been rushed through his coaching badges!
My focus is on Silent Stan 1st, work from the top down, after Silent Stan then it would be a dream to see the fans unite against issues in a order that would benefit the team.
I think protests etc will work better if we had an owner who actually cared and payed attention, protests against Wenger would be listened to more if the owner was also frustrated at not winning.
Darren your post is totally rubbish and an afterthought. If we had won the game yesterday would you have posted this blog? Ospina had clean sheets prior to this game and was never at fault for any of the goals.
You failed to mention that the same Cech directly cost us our first game at home against this same team.
Why do fans always look for scapegoats after every loss or draw.?
We had drawn a champion league game at home when we were leading by 3 goals and we had drawn at New Castle when we were 4 goals up, so stop blaming players for a team’s collective failure.
Cech couldn’t have done anything to save any of the goals. Watch the game again ospina made so many fantastic saves to keep us in the game.
well said samson!
There seems to be nothing Wenger will do right with some Arsenal fans. If he started Cech yesterday and we conceded the way we did, many would have criticized him for changing a winning team. I remember when Giroud was misfiring, everyone and his dogs wanted Walcott to lead the line as his pace opened up defenses. Wenger acceded to that wish, everyone still blames him why he persisted with him. Same goes for Welbz when he returned from injury and had to score the stoppage time winner against Leicester. Not few on here wanted Mert. dropped for Gabriel as he was too slow and Gabriel was the angel to safe our leaky defense. The wish you all crave for was also granted and now you still complained why Mert. was of used yesterday. What if Mert. was used yesterday and we conceded like we did, would you people still ask why Gabriel after keeping two clean sheets was dropped for the Rhino? Would you still not say Wenger has favorites? Wenger doesnt have benefit of hindsight, so he does his best in the situation at hand. His efforts ain’t appreciated because more often than not, the players disappoint him. But he being like a loving father who stands to make his children believe in themselves, Wenger always does this for his players and until he sees that they are irredeemable. After which he goes drastic with them. If Wenger doesn’t listen to people or fans outcry, why have Giroud, Walcott,Mertesacker, Ramsey his perceived favorites on the bench? Criticize him as much as you want, its your right but don’t kill him and don’t moan when he is gone and Arsenal revert to mediocrity