Arsenal started on the front foot but West Ham nearly found a breakaway goal early on, then after about ten mins Havertz came very close when he got his head to a free kick that was going into the top of the net – but Fabianki brilliantly knocked it over the bar.
The Hammers were finding lots of space on the break and Gabriel had to win a duel to stop them scoring, but from the resulting well taken corner, Ben White somehow headed into the net and suddenly we were 1 0 down. Ramsdale was definitely impeded and had his shirt held but the referee wasn’t interested.
It was another corner halfway through the first period that nearly produced our equalizer, but Nketiah put the ball narrowly over the bar. There was a silly incident just after when playing out from the back was very sloppy and Ramsdale and his new look defence looked very jittery, but luckily we ended up with a goal kick.
The Gunners laid on the pressure for the last 15 mins of the half but but just couldnt get past the packed West Ham defence and crazily at the whistle Arsenal had had 8 shots at goal and the Hammers a big fat zero. That tells a story..
I would think that Arteta will already be thinking about the changes he needs to make to find a breakthrough in the second half and get through Moyes deep defence.
West Ham very nearly scored just 45 seconds after the restart but luckily Bowens chip hit Ramsdales flailing hands and they nearly doubled their lead with their first shot of the game.
Then disater as Kudus collected a long pass on the wing and after a lovely touch steered the ball into the corner of Ramsdale’s net. 2-0 down. Arsenal really need to make some chamges.
Arteta waited ten minutes to bring on Declan Rice and Tomiyasu, but straight away Bowen put the Hammers 3-0 up. To be fair to Rambo the ball took a slight deflection but it looks like Arsenal are now out of this cup ubless there is a miracle. Here comes Saka and Martinelli to try and liven up the game. Im afraid Havertz is having a nightmare and Reiss Nelson has been mostly anonymous. But its Trossard and Nelson that go off.
With 20 minutes to go Arsenal still can’t get passed the block to create any chances and dont look like getting even one goal back. In fact its embarrassing to be honest. To be fair West Ham have looked like tigers and even our subs have had no effect.
With 3 minutes left we finally got a shot from odegaard from long range as we cant get close to goal and dont like we will either.
Theres no urgency no accuracy and i hope the referee puts us out of our misery soon as i cant take much more of this to be honest.
In the dying seconds Odegaard gets us a consolation, but I doubt there were many Arsenal fans left in the stadium to see it!
An embarrasing 3-1 defeat and it seems Arteta’s squad isn’t quite so invincible after all….
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Either we play a first team or a second team in this trophy
Why risk our big guns off the bench.
Kiwor
Elneny
Havs
Viera
Nelson
Eddie (AFCs answer to City’s Halaand)
These players should never have been at AFC in the first place. Why they were hired/contracts renewed only Arteta will know. Demotivated Ramsdale & Trossad.Next what? Ask another 200 million to purge out the above. Look at Emery at Villa, two points off us, 26 goals scored, no big ticket signings, we sacked the wrong manger. oh no wait1 Mikel will do the treble (in my daydreams)
Outside of our XI, it’s not very impressive. And with all the money we’ve spent questions have to be asked about some of our scouting. Havertz for 65mill is the main standout. Vieira was 30mill when he looks like a 10mill player since the day he came here. Trossard looked like he just didnt care about the game, Eddie has way too many games where he makes absolutely no difference and just exists in the final third. There was no urgency to this performance. Our success this season will come down to injuries because as a whole, this squad has very clear holes in LCM and striker. Our summer business just keeps looking more bizzare. Any midfielder in the world to replace Xhaka and we chose a player that isn’t a midfielder and look League 1 quality half the time. Only positive is Odegaard getting a goal and hopefully some of his confidence back. We’ll need him fit all season because theres not a single midfielder in the squad that can replace him. Meanwhile, City have 3 other creatives that can replace KDB, and play 3 other different roles in the squad if required. We’re not on their level of scouting yet and that will be the difference this season as to where we land on the table.
👍RSH
Let’s park this and move on to Saturday.
Play no mix and match team.
Bad day at the office and a lacklustre performance from the boys. Welldone Westham. Well deserved.
We go again….
@Uzi Ozil
RealTalk…👍🏾
As much as I would hate to say this–Ramsdale is becoming rusty no thanks to Arteta. Kiwior is no deputy for Saliba I think white or Tomiyasu should be tried. We still need strength in midfield as Jorginho cannot be trusted for a long season in the event Rice is injured . Like I said before Nketiah miracle hattricks doesn’t make him the CF Arsenal needs. It’s a shame Arsenal shouldn’t be losing like this no matter what.
jorginho isnt even a DM so not sure why he was playing without a physical presence in midfield. I mean i guess Arteta is still having dreams about the player he WISHES havertz is, but the reality is most Kai does it win a few headers a game. Vieira, dont even get me started.
Against Newcastle non of the midfielders who started today should be in the starting 11.Unfortunately someone will start Kai Havertz as an attacking mid again.
Shocking!!!!
First half 70% possession and pretty much in control without frightening wet spam. Toothless probably descibes it. The second half was frightenly poor and lapsidasical. The goals we let in were heavily down to White and poor defending. The first was an awful mistake and his poor clearance led to another Bowen goal. Zinchenko and Gabriel contrived to help Kudus score, great touch but very poor defending. It has to be said Vierra was shocking, Haverz was shocking, Trossard was shocking, Jorghino was shocking and Nelson was shocking. Nketiah missed a golden opportunity to draw level but apart from that we were toothless. A shame because, i thought it was all there for a better performance from players wanting to prove a point. They failed. The positive is we have some fresh players fit and ready for the more important game at St James Saturday. We need to be ready for that.
Selling Xhaka and replacing him with Havertz has to be the most foolish decision ever in recent history.
Even all throughout Xhaka’s red mist season, I have never been in doubt about his ball playing qualities and just general football passing intelligence that keeps us on the front foot always.
EVEN if we lose with him in the starting X, he always make sure the opponent work their assess for it.
Iwobi or even Alex Song played out of position will do better than Havertz in that role he is shoehorned into. We didnt sign this player to win occasional headaches. Last night’s football just give me a migraine. Almost like the team had no coach for 6months!!
Not able to give the game my undivided attention I wasn’t unduly worried after the own goal. I thought we looked comfortable so when I was able to watch again around 52 minutes I was mortified to see another goal had gone in.
At this stage I’d not be chasing the game but rather look at the bigger picture this coming weekend
Newcastle dismantling man utd and gaining the confidence they need ahead of our visit to their ground. A tough encounter as expected but i’m sure we will come out on top, we can’t afford to dwell on this defeat. That’s it for Decs form of dissapointment just like his fellow new signings in Jurrien,David and Kai are having theirs.
Transfer of Kai Havertz can be regarded as the worst decision Arteta has made as Arsenal manager and it can be the one that could cost arsenal a trophy this season or even cost him his job. Kai doesn’t fit anywhere in this team. He is not athletic, he doesn’t have a composure and a passing range to be a good midfielder and not clinical to be a good striker either.
Haverz and Vierra a waste of 100 mil.
With Viera, I could understand but acquisition of Kai is completely mind boggling given the fact that we have enough data to judge him based on his 3years stint in EPL. And to make it worse, we spent 65 million on someone whom even a manager doesn’t know where he fits in the team. Because of this mismanagement, now we are left with only one good AM and a CM since partey is always on the treatment table. Now we one injury away (Rice or Odegaard) for the team to implode.
That’s an important point I agree with.
👍👍👍The travesty of paying £65 million to Chelsea for Havertz is the fact that the money could have contributed to a striker or another player that would have strengthened Arsenal. No one knows (apart from Arteta) what Havertz is supposed to bring to Arsenal’s play.
Perhaps we should be asking these questions:
WHY did the players not turn up tonight?
WHY did MA bring on players such as Odegaard and Martinelli when the game was lost?
WHY are we expecting players such as ESR and Ramsdale to perform at the level they did, when they are not given playing time?
We lost tonight because we were second best, but it was our fifth objective for the season.
Our bigger problem is how are we going to pick ourselves up when we play a Newcastle side who did the complete opposite tonight?
Different competition. Arsenal has never taken Carling/League cup seriously. Newcastle game is a different ball game.
Your correct and didn’t the previous manager (AW) and coach (UE) get criticised for it?!
Perhaps that’s why we’re discussing tonight’s defeat?
👍ken
That is very bad excuse for such humiliation.
Even Newcastle 2nd team beat ManU by 3-0.
The Problem is Arteta the confused manager. Even after spending fortunes is not able to build and coach team properly and always giving excuses.
He is lucky that he inherited some talented academy players from previous managers who are saving him.
I think the reason is Mikel was’nt interested in the competition.
Are you scared to face facts?
What “facts” if i may ask?
Exactly right Ken. Stupid management I regret to need to say, since I MUST be truthful , as ever.
Right now, considering the four imports we made last summer, IMO only Rice has been an improvement on what we had, as Timber was unluckily stricken in our first game .
As for the decision to buy HAVERTZ, polite words fail me!!
What I CANNOT ABIDE IN HIM IS HIS SEEMING LACK OF INTEREST AND LACK OF ANY PHYSICALITY AT ALL.
Newcastle has just put man United to the sword !
Havertz and Vieira continue to stink up the pitch. Who can honestly defend these weak, subpar, players when they deliver performances like this?
Nketiah back to reality, the player we have known for 6 years. Zinchenko should never play LB again if Tomiyasu is fit. Ready for Timber to replace Zinchenko and send him to the bench.
Chelsea mugged us for Havertz, and we see why City let Zinchenko and Jesus go. One pretends he is a LB and the other is an injury waiting to happen.
Man management continues to be an issue. Players were embarrassing tonight.
Can we question Arteta’s judgement or is it still forbidden? Can we criticize him over Havertz and Vieira or is that not allowed?
Ramsdale my friend, back to the bench, how quickly you showed you are not ready to be the starter. You just locked Raya in as the number 1 GK.
More than the loss, I’m saddened by the latest injury to Smith Rowe. I really hoped the lad would step up and help reenergize the midfield. Looks like it’s not going to happen this season and as commented above we have to make do with the underwhelming likes of Viera, Harvertz, Jorghino, Trossard, White and co. Please prove me wrong guys but I don’t have confidence that this group of players has what it takes to bring home any trophy. More immediately I think we will struggle at St James even though Newcastle have their own injury woes and a crooked, suspended Italian to deal with.
First team 11 are pretty good, but most of the rest of the squad need to be moved on, absolutely atrocious.
The Carabao Cup match in which West Ham have just knocked out Arsenal is also an important competitionll to play for to win by the big teams. Win it and it will give you playing in the Europa League Cup football.
So therefore, the Carabao Cup competition shouldn’t be downgraded as not important because of Arsenal had gotten knocked out from it on the night by West Ham.
The Gunners who played for Arsenal away to West Ham in the Carabao on tonight looked to have lacked the ambition to win the domestic treble this season. And emulate Man City who had won it several times in recent past seasons.
As a matter of fact, Arsenal quest (seemingly) to win the domestic treble and possibly the quadruple this season is OFF the table.
However, if they have the ambition to win the domestic double and the Ucl so as to have a treble title winning season. Like Man City had last season, is still ON. And on the table for Arsenal to win this season.
The decision made by Arsenal to sign Chelsea flop Karl Havertz at an outrageous over £65m in transfer fee during the last summer transfer window. When Leicester City’s James Maddison, a regular goals scoring top quality midfielder was available for just £16m had me beaten completely out of my sense of football reasoning for Arteta’s Arsenal.
The Gooner and myself did cried foul unlimited to Arteta not sign Havertz but Maddison partially by me. But he rebuked the Gooners as went to sign Havertz,
let us hope Havertz will turn up incredibly for Arsenal to score and provide some assists in their next Epl away match to Newcaste.
Samuel thanks for the laugh. I needed that after watching the match today . Arsenal will never win a treble with this group but nice to have belief.
MA is starting to making more errors in player management. Kai Haverts and Viera need to play only when game is over.. Eddie is only needed because we foolishly gave up Balogun instead of him or because we could not afford a CF since we threw our hard earned money away to Chelsea for a player that had no impact there also.
we should have spent the 65 mil on a CF and used ESR instead of Kai since we decided to sell Xhaka. We had home grown players in our pocket cbut went after a guy that looks like a deer in the headlights during the match.
And to top it all today we risk our major assets Saka Martinelli Rice etc to chase a lost cause.
WTF !!!!!
wake up Mikel !!!!
Move on havertz, viera, nketiah, Jorginho and partey, they either add nothing or are injury prone
@Pat Morris, I second you absolutely on your views. I wish Admin could directly relay this to M.A to know the reality other than fantasy.
Instead of removing Players Only Why not remove Arteta and his crew for buying such craps on high transfer fees
The Carabao Cup match in which West Ham have just knocked out Arsenal is also an important competitionll to play for to win by the big club teams. Win it and it will give you playing in the Europa League Cup football.
So therefore, the Carabao Cup competition, but it shouldn’t be downgraded as not being very important to missed out on winning it. Just because of Arsenal had gotten knocked out from it on the night by West Ham.
The Gunners who played for Arsenal away to West Ham in the Carabao on the tonight looked to have lacked the real ambition to win the domestic treble this season. And emulate Man City who had won it several times in recent past seasons.
As a matter of fact, Arsenal quest (seemingly) to win the domestic treble and possibly the quadruple this season is OFF the table.
However, if they have the ambition to win the domestic double and the Ucl so as to have a treble title winning season. Like Man City have had last season, is still ON. And on the table for Arsenal to win this season.
The decision made by Arsenal to sign Chelsea flop Karl Havertz at an outrageous over £65m in transfer fee during the last summer transfer window. When Leicester City’s James Maddison, a regular goals scoring top quality midfielder was available for just £16m had me beaten completely out of my sense of football reasoning for Arteta’s Arsenal.
The Gooners and myself did cried foul unlimited to Arteta not to sign Havertz but Maddison partially by me. But he rebuked us Gooners as he went to sign Havertz,
let us hope Havertz will turn up incredibly for Arsenal to score and provide some assists too in their next Epl away match to Newcaste.
The team picked was made with no respect to West Ham if we wanted to actually win the game. Why do we think we can go to WH and win the game with this bunch? As soon as the side was picked we leveled the playing field for WH. I don’t care about this competition, but I don’t like losing this way, we should be either all in or all out.
It’s funny watching this fanbase go from one extreme opinion to another. One day Trossard is the next best thing after sliced bread, the next he’s horrible. While I agree that Havertz is a terrible purchase, y’all need to chill. It’s the carabao cup and not a champions league final. City with all the great players you’all mention so often are out too. Westham were more motivated to win it and they did. I’m more concerned the gaffer decided to give Saka and Martinelli unnecessary minutes. They would be needing all the rest they can get for Newcastle. Viera looked good in the first half IMO. Did one nice through ball which Harvertz fluffed in the first half and held the ball up well. Didn’t see much of the 2nd half.
@CXIII, Viera is absolutely shamble tonight please do not annoy me ooooo, I dey vex for here oooooo.
every other players aside havertz, viera, nketiah, Jorginho and partey, who either add nothing or are injury prone, are good. So please, let’s be factual about our views and opinate what we all can see real.
Excuses only.
Even Newcastle 2nd team beat ManU by 3-0.
And Arteta spend fortune in his tenure and could not built decent team to participate in few competitions.
He is very confused otherwise who buys Chelsea rejects like Havertz in 65M. it was open for all how he performed in last 3 years in EPL.
Arteta is very lucky he got some talented young players free from last managers like Saka, Martinelli, Saliba, SmithRowe, Nelson who are saving his ass.
For the most part I agree with your points. Not too fussed about those players who came on late in the game. Too much is made of this IMO as these are young players who should recover quickly from a 30 minute runout.
The only thing i find annoying about cup exits are the fact that the teams that knocks us out don’t go on to win it or at least come close, except liverpool two years ago.
Why do you get wild dreams of winning the treble before you even win one trophy? The issue should not be fantasy but realism. At the moment Arsenal should aim for EPL. Any other trophy would come as a bonus. We can however aim to go as far as we can in Champions league and FA. The elimination from Carabao, though it may seem sad, is a blessing in disguise because it reduces on the number of games we have to play. We should not forget that our squad is still young and inexperienced and may not be able to handle the pressure of too many games.
After Spending so much why we could not built teams for challenging in these competitions. Who is responsible for it.
Arteta has to be asked questions about his Cup Game disasters. Seriously, it’s niw becoming ridiculous when it comes to domestic cup runs under Arteta, since his first cup run in 2019/20 he has has been making me nervous in these cup competitions. There seems to be a pattern now.
I am p!ssed off.
Wenger was Playing mostly academy players in these completions still better results. and those youngsters getting valuable experiences. Arteta is not achieving any objective here.
Now unto the next on Saturday.
Nketiah.
Martinelli. Odegaard. Saka.
Rice. Jorginho.
Tomiyasu. Gabriel. Saliba. White.
Raya.
Nketiah and Jorginho don’t fill me with confidence at all.
I fear we might not win at St. James Park with both of them starting.
I don’t even see who can replace them better either.
Kudos and Paqueta are class acts who exposed our clear weaknesses in midfield and at left back.To be fair to Zinchenko, he was not helped by the failure of Gabriel to engage him after he had cut inside the Ukrainian.Gabriel needs to learn that you cannot defend in a balanced way with your arms behind you back in an unnatural position.Before the match I pointed out the lightweight nature of our 3 midfielders and their lack of legs and defensive quality in that area was the main reason why West Ham were dangerous on the counter attack.As for the unjustified criticism aimed at Nelson and Kwior, like Alan Smith on Sky TV, I thought they were two bright lights in a poor display overall.The lack of physical presence and athleticism in midfield will prove to be out downfall this season, as apart from Rice and the injury prone Partey, we are bereft of presence in that area.Finally, will someone tell White to restore his hair to its natural colour.He may think it enhances his image but it also highlights his mistakes.
Well said, Grandad! Pretty much all of what you said I would agree with. I would also mention Arteta’s performance as being naive. His faith in Havertz looks to be another waste of £65m. Viera has improved but not enough. I can’t help but feel we have good money after bad on players that just don’t offer the quality we need and Arteta is responsible for that.
Where is GIA to defend how Kia H won all his duels yesterday and tell us how important he is to the team? Lol. The guy Kia is a fraud of a player with nothing to offer Arsenal fc
hahaa. I believe still GIA will find some way to defend Havertz and Arteta by is inverted logic 🙂
Fraud is not Havertz, Fraud is Arteta and his scouts. After watching Havertz struggle for 3 years in EPL. Why the hell he bought him to play in CM. on high wage and 65M fee. Pick any Acdemy player like Patino and he will perform better than Havertz.
👍and GBH, Arsenal didn’t have to pay Chelsea one penny for Patino, let alone £65 million.
This game has confirmed that Arsenal is not in a position to disrespect a supposedly “lowly” West Ham United (“Moyes lowly Hammers”).
Experienced and even newer fans surely have noticed how games are largely won or lost by the effectivenes of midfielders, both attacking and defensive midfielders.
When I saw that last night we had NO Rice to start but we had the rapidly slowing Jorginho with Viera and Havertz in midfield, coupled with West Ham putting out a very strong team, I could see we were in danger of losing. INDEED I said so, in two posts both made shortly before the match.
And so it proved.
I say this not to boast, as I would far rather have ben wrong. But when you have watched football , as I HAVE for well over 60 years you learn that an ineffective midfield and a team with most of its REAL stars left on the bench, was always going to struggle. HARDLY NUCLEAR PHYSICS either, I suggest.
I blame MA for getting his selection as wrong as could possible be.
Even though we SEEM to have got away without injuries to key subs who came on, albeit far too late, and when the game was already lost and therefore needlessly and pointlessly, MA was stupid to risk injuries when the game was lost, with Newcastle away coming up in three days(now two)!
Bad day all round for our club and a black mark against MA IN PARTICULAR. Most of us were already well aware that the starting midfield is not true Arsenal standard and simply had what we already know publicly demonstrated to all who watched. Sigh!
Im gutted
We should have taken this match more serious
I can’t believe some people are happy we lost
Arteta just does not see this competition as a worthy one. I agree that we need rotation but obviously our options are just not good enough. Havertz and Viera are simply not up to the task. At £100m between them you would think otherwise, right?!