There have been some interesting articles recently about our owner, not all of them very flattering. So I thought I would do a comparison with the owners of our biggest rival, going back to when they first became involved with their clubs.
The Glazers bought Manchester United in 2005. Stan Kroenke bought shares in Arsenal in 2007, became majority shareholder in 2011, and assumed full ownership in 2018.
Family wealth and club debt
It is estimated that the Glazers are worth around 10 billion US dollars. Stan Kroenke and his family are estimated to be worth around 28 billion US dollars.
Since 2007, the Glazers have reportedly spent £1.2 billion on debt interest, debt repayments, dividends, and fees claimed by members of their family.
Arsenal owe £324.1 million to Stan Kroenke, including loans made over the past four years. These loans are not interest-free, but they are understood to be at low interest rates. To my knowledge, Mr Kroenke has only taken money from the club once – a £1 million payment for work done.
Club value, squad investment, and infrastructure
In 2007, Manchester United was valued at 1.8 billion euros. In 2025, that valuation has grown to 6.6 billion euros.
In 2007, Arsenal was valued at 915 million euros. In 2025, the club is valued at 1.1 billion euros.
In terms of squad value:
- Manchester United’s 2007 squad was worth 643.10 million euros. In 2025, it is valued at 262.4 million euros.
- Arsenal’s 2007 squad was valued at 262.4 million euros. In 2025, that figure has grown to 1.13 billion euros.
The Glazers have spent nothing on the refurbishment of Old Trafford. It is estimated that it would now cost up to £1 billion to restore the stadium to its former glory.
By contrast, Stan Kroenke has spent over £3 million refurbishing the Emirates Stadium and plans to invest a further £500 million to increase the stadium capacity to 80,000.
Transfers, success, and stability
Since 2007, Manchester United have spent £1.43 billion on transfers. Of that, just over £700 million has been spent since 2018.
Since 2007, Arsenal have spent £1.365 billion on transfers. Of that, £951.5 million has been spent since 2018.
In terms of league consistency, both clubs have averaged a fourth-place finish in the Premier League since 2007.
Managerial turnover:
- Manchester United have had eight managers (including caretakers) since 2007.
- Arsenal have had five in the same period.
Trophies since 2007:
- Manchester United have won 16 trophies, including six Community Shields.
- Arsenal have won nine trophies, including five Community Shields. History of Arsenal’s Community Shield wins.
For reference, United count the Community Shield among their trophies on the club’s official website. Since Sir Alex Ferguson’s retirement in 2013, they have won five trophies.
I will leave it to you to decide which owner has invested more into the club, the ground, and its players. But I, for one, would not swap them over for all the tea in China.
ken1945
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Definitely Kroenke from financial standpoint, but he needs to give Arteta a Giroud 2.0 and a new inverted RW who can keep Saka on his toes to win a major trophy this season
I didn’t read the article but to answer the question
Essentially the Glazers took control in 2005 and have won ……
5 Prems
2 FA Cups
4 League Cup
1 CL
1 Europa League ( not counting community shields , etc )
The Koronke Family had serious control since 2011 have managed ……..4 FA Cups
From a sporting point of view clearly the Glazers are better
Arsenal regressed to the point where 2nd is applauded and boasted about
Worst thing to happen to Arsenal Football Club
Did any other manager apart from Fergie win those 5 league titles?
Did anyone win our Prem but Mr Wenger?
PGMOL did.
You forget to add the world club championship
I put that in the etc lol
Warning Spurs fans – I don’t count the Super Cup either as a major trophy
@Gai imo it would be better to groom.Nwaneri as Saka’s deputy he has all the ingredients to play that role. When Saka was injured he did well in the position.
I think we need an inverted LW much more. Matinelli seems to have lost his confidence and efficiency.
Both rubbish but the Arsenal owners just
They have both failed there clubs and supporters it is all about money to them
Yawn della yawn. How about comparing Kroenke with the owners of Manchester City, Paris St Germain or the people who direct Bayern Munich.
Tell you what Joe. S, why don’t you do the comparison with PSG and I’ll do the one with city115?
Are you ready to do that, or are you just one of those who sits back and complains about being bored?
Here’s a time frame, let’s submit our articles by next Friday.
Yes or No?
I am waiting.
I am waiting.
Joe. S. vs Ken1945
And I’ll do the one for Real Madrid and Barcelona.
I mean Spain and Catalona.
😋 🤤 😋 🤤
Trouble is Thrill, Joe. S hasn’t come back to say yes or no!!
There are many posts on JA these days.
Maybe Joe. S has lost navigation to get back here.
In terms of sport – Glazers
From a business point of view – Koronke
I would say ours by only by a short distance
You forgot to mention the sale of our old ground was sold to help finance the new stadium
Until 2018 players were being sold off and weakening the team rather then strengthening the team
AW has never come out and said there was little money available for the payers we wanted as we seems to bargain hunting all the time
Our guys seem to be far better business people when it comes to the running of our club and let’s not forget….it’s a business not a love of a football club
That story again.
Delusional love.
See you loving your way to league 3.
Then, league 5.
And then, non existence.
Saliba is delaying signing a new contract.
Why not sell him cheap and bring in Tony Adams who loves the club.
That would be a lovely move.
Good article Ken. Quite insightful. I’m surprised we are only valued at £1.1bn as a club .I thought that figure would be significantly higher – something in the region of 4-5 billion pounds.
That said, the Kroenke’s have proven to be better than their Old Trafford counterparts. But like a post above mine says, I would rather compare them with the owners of Villa, City or Newcastle. These clubs show ambition. We are obviously more concerned with the size of our bank accounts.
And their ambition has kept them behind a failing Arsenal.
Arsenal does not need to succeed, then, do they?
I wouldn’t swap Kroenke for the Glazer family. From what I remember the Glazers have been incredibly shrewd business men and have enriched themselves dramatically in the process knowing that they own one of the top 2 or 3 clubs in the world.
Arsenal do not have the luxury of having this status. It doesn’t seem to matter that Utd were appallingly bad last season as there will always be a player or three who aren’t worried by the lack of European football and a seemingly never ending supply of people at home and worldwide who support them – regardless of where they finish in the league.
Ken, a very good article 👍. I’ve changed my mind on the Kroenkes, as I was dead against him having a majority stake in The Arsenal. The very first thing he did when becoming the majority shareholder was to shut down the message board on the clubs website. That was probably because every poster on there, bar one, was against him.
Now with Josh seemingly in control of the club, things have started to look better over the last few years. Ok we haven’t won a trophy lately, but we are now challenging for the PL and have reached a quarter final and a semi final of the CL.
Hopefully we can push on and win trophies, after the backing the Kroenkes have given Mikel.
So yes, Kroenke over the Glazers every day of the week for me.
But mate that’s the issue which is why they are great business people
They manipulate you into thinking that this sentence
things have started to look better over the last few years. Ok we haven’t won a trophy lately,
Is okay ?
At no other big club would that be written
In 2004 if I said to you in 22 years we won’t have another title but your say our owners are good
Truthfully what you say ?
No insults mate , from one goober to another explain that to me
Wouldn’t shock me if Man United win the Prem before us
Dan, Leicester City won the Premier league and the fa cup and where care they now?
They are a yoyo club down up down!!!
We have tge backing and the ability to remain a top four club and missed out on the PL by five and two points, when we should have won the title in both seasons.
So your judging Mr Kronkie on those finite margins of two and five points – what would your position be, if we had won either of them?
Would you now be saying Mr Kronkie is a great owner?
No mate
Hence why when we finished twice to Man City I said Arteta did a good job and was proud
Arsenal could go another decade without a title and It wouldn’t define my opinion
Because all you can ask is for the team on and off the pitch to do the best they can do
I don’t believe the Koronke Family have done that
I feel I can give constant examples where they could have taken the next step and didn’t
As recently as January
Again let me stress as a businessman he’s genius
He took a fan like you …..regressed the club and has you now happy with 2nd
Dan, you and I agree on the business side.
Your saying that he’s not a good owner, because we haven’t won the PL in his time at the club – so my question again is, if we had won either of the titles, when it was in Mikel’s hands to do so (after being given all the backing he asked for that season) would you now be saying he’s a great owner, as that seems to be your view?
No Ken , a couple of times you can hang behind that
But if since 2007 your constantly failing
Then your the owner who takes us out of the top 4
Then the owner who takes us to 8th
Then takes us out of Europe
Then the whole Super League debacle
At that point I think you have to take responsibility
Would you take bet on that? I guess you won’t but would have some 5 seasons ago, that’s called progress.
Maybe I literally won bets in the last two seasons but nobody pays up lol
What is the bet you are suggesting
No one has minipulated me. Like a few others on here, I can remember during the 70’s and 80’s when we weren’t even challenging for the league titles. It took us 18 years to win the league after winning the double in ’71. My first season of traveling up to watch The Arsenal we were fighting against relegation !
Like everyone else, I’d like to see us being the dominant club, but we haven’t been that club since the 1930’s !
Great response HD. The very idea that the Kroenkes could manipulate swathes of Arsenal supporters is, quite frankly, bonkers.
Thanks SueP. Maybe the younger fans can be manipulated, but not us older ones.
Only you know if in 2004 if you would sit in 22 years without a title and say owners have done well
Your saying that an owner of Arsenal football club not winning the Prem since he joined the board is acceptable lol
Trust me that’s manipulation
Where have I said that ?
It took 21 years for The Arsenal to win the League Title under the ownership of Sir Henry Norris. One League title under the leadership of Denis Hill-Wood. So going on your assumptions, the fans during those years were being manipulated, pmsl
What a thought provoking statement HD!!
That’s why I’ve always thought there is a subtle difference between fans and supporters of the club, as we were getting record crowds during the trophy less seasons and, it seems, they were all being manipulated!!
Sue we didn’t spend anything in January and are dragging our feet this window yet someone just wrote that Arsenal can win the Prem and CL
That’s called being manipulated
Can and will have different meanings
I think we can win the league but that doesn’t mean we will. One is a possibility and the other is a definite
I actually agree in that sense
Any team can win the Prem that are in it but realistically as things stand it won’t happen
I accept though early days in the window
Why do you think they’ve been manipulated? Because you’re right!!!
Mr Dan, your opinion is not fact is just another opinion just like others and it should be respected
Because we have an owner who shows little ambition and fans say it’s okay
Use January as an example
Instead of going who did City spend over 200 million but we spent 0 after a net spend of 15 million the previous 2 windows they have fans applauding 2nd place
That’s what some say everything and then I’m right
HD, I was of the same opinion as you, but my conversion came in the aftermath of the so called “Super League”.
I believe that Josh, in particular, saw what the game of football and it’s structure meant to the fans and the Kronkie family changed from then on.
Thanks for the comment regarding the article.
Ken, I think it was last year that Tim Lewis gave an interview to the Telegraph newspaper. In the interview he was asked why Silent Stan waited to spend big money on players. It came across that if we won the PL it would drive up the share prices, which meant it would cost him more to buy out Usmanov. Made sense to me.
And if we look back HD, it wasn’t until 2015 that we started buying big names for big bucks.
I’m certain that some of the fans who didn’t live through the bad times, wouldn’t actually stay with the club… as winning trophies seems the be all and end all and the financial side of the club comes second.
My old sparring partner, Jon Fox, would have a field day with their attitudes!!
Jon Fox who was horrible to Mr Wenger for not winning the Prem?
8 years later we …still don’t win the Prem
Oh I agree Jon was wrong about the manger I can’t name, but he knew the history of our club as well as HD and that’s a compliment in itself.
I wonder what he thinks about Mr Kronkie and Mikel Arteta?
I’m pretty certain he wouldn’t put it down to not buying a striker at the end of the January window, as he always used to call these “panic buys” but I might be wrong of course.
You can name him lol
I don’t want ger burke having a go at me yet again Dan – it’s bad enough with you!! 😊😊
I’m truly not having ago at you dude
I respect your opinions on most things especially Mr Wenger
We just will never agree on our owners lol
I know your not Dan, it’s my attempt at humour and that’s why I leave that up to Derek, as he’s much better than me at humour?
Dan, I always enjoy reading your articles, the banter we have, the disagreements and the agreements, but most of all the fact that we’re not afraid (if that’s the right word) to debate and question one another.
I know that, along with 99% of other JA regulars, if we were put in a room and discussed all things Arsenal, we would have a great time.
I have to admit I miss the likes of Phil, Jon Fox Kenny Rolfe and Sue, because they all brought different thoughts to the table.
When I finally purchase a box at the Emirates, you’ll be one of the first I’ll invite, along with those mentioned above and so many other regulars, some of whom I vehemently disagree with most of the time, just for the good old banter.
Just for you, I’d invite Mr Kronkie himself, alongside David Dein and the one and only AW!!
Once a Gooner always a Gooner and long may it continue… especially with Mr Kronkie at the helm!! 👍😂😂😂
That means allot
I only have a rem membership but since it went to the ballot tickets have been a struggle
Might see if I can upgrade lol
👍👍 If only you were over 65, I’d give you the opportunity to use my seat when I can’t make it (after you of course SueP!).
With the new choices regarding what season ticket one buys, there could be more oooort to see domestic cup games and latter CL games – fingers crossed 🤞
Better buy the box then
How much is one ?
Could have a whip round
Did anyone take you up on your bet?
All donations gratefully received!!
Which one
My last two I won but no one pays up lol
Ken1945
It’s been a privilege to get to the games.
Ken1945,
I read your post and it’s a very good one.
I myself would take our current owners over United’s.
Not that I’m saying much there really, because I’m not really a big fan of the Kroenke’s either to be fair. But as the saying goes, better the devil you know.
The one thing I would say is that over Arteta’s reign, in the main he’s been backed financially. The fact that some of Arteta’s signings haven’t worked out can’t really be attributed to the owner.
But as I said earlier, a very good post. 👍
Thanks Derek and HD.
You raise the excellent point regarding Mikel’s signings.
I would beg the question, if, as reported, Mikel is one of the top paid managers in Europe, what more can the owner do?. He’s backed the manager to do just that – manage the club!!
He’s also brought in, supposedly, the best Sporting Director in Europe and is about to pay for an assistant to help him out.
Now, apart from donning the famous red and white shirt, what more could he do as a owner?
As HD say, he’s even given his son Josh the reins and we are financially sound.
So I ask again with an open question to all Gooners, what more do you want Mr Kronkie to do?
No one is arguing we are not financially sound mate
Correct, are manure financially sound?
If you had read the article and seen what has happened since the two families have become involved, you would have understood more.
As a club, we have taken tremendous strides forward under Mr Kronkie’s stewardship and the fact that Mikel threw away two golden opportunities to win the PL is not down to the owner in any shape or form during those two seasons.
Okay so he arrives in 2007 we had just got to a CL Final and broke up a squad who were successful
We then regressed into only finishing top 4
We then regressed to 5th
Then 6th
Then 8th
And are now back to being a side who don’t win the Prem but fans say top 4 is okay
That’s not going forwards
That’s literally backwards then back to where we were
Literally went full circle
At that point ticket prices and merchandise went up
Are you saying that Silent Stan was involved with the BoD in 2007 and the break up of the squad that got to the CL Final in 2006 ?
I notice you didn’t continue with the final league positions Dan, so let’s just finish that off –
8th 8th 5th 2nd 2nd 2nd hardly top four, rather top two would be more accurate.
That’s going forward and being consistent.
Prices for season tickets were held for three, maybe four seasons I do believe and merchandise went up at every club, so what’s your point there?
If he took us to 8th and got us back to 2nd is that forward or have we finished 2nd in the Prem before
So you leaves tomorrow you would applaud him for being the owner who took Arsenal to ……2nd lol
Actually Dan, it was Mikel Arteta who took us to 8th and then 2nd along with the players.
Mr Kronkie supplied the money for Mikel to achieve that.
Of course we’ve finished 2nd before, but was 8th our lowest ever position?
Would I applaud Mr Kronkie for giving the ammunition that allowed MA to finish 2nd three seasons in a row, watch as our players out strip manure in value, reach the semi final of the CL, invest in the Emirates stadium and plan for a further 20,000 seats?
Indeed I would and if Mr Kronkie decided to sell, the stampede to buy the club would be incredible.
Yeah but either way that’s not taking us forward is it ?
I would question you on the stampede
as well
You are the only Arsenal I have ever heard who think we have gone forward under Stan Koronke
But it’s your opinion mate
Your the only Arsenal fan who blames the owner for the failings of the manager and the players – likewise your opinion Dan, which I respect but really don’t understand.
You judge us “going forward” by the trophies we’ve won – I judge us going forward by the investment in players, back room staff, consistency, the bond between the manager, players and the fans, sticking to the rules,
The spuds have just won a trophy, are they a bigger club than us, or what about Palace?
Why, Leicester have won the PL more recently than us, so I assume you class them as a bigger club?
Of course their not, but if that’s how you want to measure The Arsenal under Mr Kronkie, then so be it
Yes Ken I will measure the sporting achievement of a sports team on what they win lol
Especially if comments like making strides and the best position we have been in are said
Again as a business they are brilliant
I’m just catching up Dan – so your now saying that Palace and the spuds are a bigger club than us at the end of the season and it’s all the fault of the owner because he didn’t panic buy a striker in January, is that correct?
No never said that
Arsenal should be doing better then 0 titles since 2007
I will never call that progress or strides
In that time the owners could have done more to help the squad
January is just one of many examples.
Add another to that.
No I never argued with that
The likes of Sue will tell you I have already said as a business model …..genius
You buy a brand , fail , make money off that brand and not just get away with have the likes of you telling them they are doing great
If FFP had been introduced much earlier, do you think that City and Chelsea would have had the amazing successes they enjoyed when it appeared tgat money was no object?
Chelsea and Mancity have both won the UCL and league titles even after the introduction of the FFP,..we were made to believe the FFP was here to level the plains for clubs like us in terms of player purchase,financial flexibility etc.. but has it really? Mancity keeps buying so does chelsea. Yall can flip off with yall dumb excuses.. To he’ll with the Kroenkes
Do you think that before the introduction of FFP that those clubs weren’t able to build up their reputations, their finances to such a level to give them a massive head start? Newcastle haven’t been able to get ahead the way that Chelsea and CIty have, have they? So you can flip off quite frankly
Dan, is that a reply to the question I asked you ?
Dan, are you going to answer my question or do your usual and swerve it ?
HD, Dan said it was in answer to Reggie.
Yes Ken, but he still hasn’t answered my question from 7:57 pm.
What question mate
Found it
Yes he was on the board in 2007
I never said he chose to break up that squad
I was comparing where Arsenal were before 2007 and where they are now based on the suggestion that this is the best position we have ever been in lol
Wrong again Dan, he wasn’t on the Board in 2007. He bought his shares, just under 10% iirc, from Granada Ventures that year, but had to wait till 2008 before being invited onto the Board.
Still, you really should do some research before posting.
So why ask me if you knew the answer lol ?
To educate you 😁.
The Kronkies have put more money into the club than anyone in the history of the club. Our financial investment can notbe faulted. We are in a better place now to be champions of England and Europe than ever before. We just need the staff to achieve whats they should be.
Apart from the time we were Champions lol?
But then we had a different manager (can’t mention his name!!) and the football world was in a different place.
Along came Abramovitch, the sheiks, the Emirates and FFP.
Yeah and if Arsenal didn’t have the money then fair enough ( like I defend them during the early Emirates days ) but January we had the money
The Super League should have told you where his priorities are mate
I get a bit fed up with you bringing up January as being the straw that broke the camel’s back in terms of lack of investment to win the league
You held out a flimsy hope that one of your attacking transfer suggestions could have won us the league
Me – I was more realistic than you in terms of catching Liverpool. Kroenke was supposed to dob out £60m in order to still finish below Liverpool? Watkins becoming our Superman? I don’t think so – especially after Havertz was crocked. I’m accused of allowing KSE to dupe me. That takes the biscuit
As SueP says, your January argument assumes we would have won the PL if only a forward had been bought in.
You have no proof of that happening, while it’s a fact we still finished second and got to the semi final of the CL without one.
No its one of many examples
You and Sue are right , we don’t know if January would have made any difference if we had brought players
But we knew doing nothing wouldn’t help ?
Go back January I said title was over because of this
You two both disagreed
Funny now how suddenly you think title was over at that point lol
Nope
It is disingenuous to bring up doing nothing as putting you in the right. No way. It was pretty obvious that Liverpool were in a great position whereas no other team was. Deluded of me to possibly think that we could catch them. Still in it until it’s not. Definitely. Deluded of you to think that Watkins or somebody else could have won us the league. Definitely. Weighing up all the options, nothing could possibly have guaranteed overtaking them.
You are wedded to blaming KSE. Your choice, so by all means hang on to your rightness about them not giving us a chance. The reality was that Liverpool would have had to collapse and as February progressed and Havertz was injured, it was blindingly obvious to me that time was against us.
That’s not what you said at the time
You literally disagreed when I said title race was now over
But I agree I am wedded to blaming the Koronke Family
Been terrible owners for Arsenal FC
Of course can prove me wrong
Although I sense some Gooners are beginning to see certain things
Okidoki Dan. The title race wasn’t actually over at the time regardless of the realities of the situation…..
It seems that the Arsenal will be in for a long lasting drought under the KSE model as I can’t see them selling up in the foreseeable. Plenty of material for you to write more articles on the subject lol
I didn’t write the article lol
But yes we won’t win the title as I correctly so far have been right about for years
But it’s okay because fans like you in 12 months will say it’s okay
I know what BB meant about arguing with a brick wall. If you feel the argument might be slipping a away from you at times, you switch the emphasis. But it’s it ok I know the routine
I don’t feel the argument was slipping at all
I simply pointed out I didn’t write the article and then agreed with you that I’m wedded to blaming the Koronke Family
Did Liverpool win the PL in January then Dan?
I never thought the title race was over till it was, but you threw in the towel because Mr Kronkie wouldnt(?) couldn’t(?) didn’t want to(?) spend MONEY.
Thank goodness the players didn’t, otherwise we wouldn’t have finished 2nd and got to the semi final of the CL.
Sorry mate your contradicting yourself lol
You say you agree with Sue who claims we couldn’t catch Liverpool so no signings would make a difference
But at the same time you are arguing title race wasn’t over ?
Hence why if you believe that surely helping the attack ( which our manager asked ).could have only helped ?
Did SueP actually say the title race was over?
I think she said that buying a forward wouldn’t be the answer to catching them as you seem to believe.
I recall bookmakers paying out bets because manure were so far ahead of us, but the fans, the players and the manager never gave up – tell me what the outcome was Dan? lol
If SueP did say that, then I disagree with her by the way.
Well no I’m now a bit confused what you guys are arguing as your contradicting yourself
You implied in this thread that the Koronke Family were right not to sign anyone in January because it wouldn’t change the title race but then your saying title race wasn’t over ?
So if title race wasn’t over then surely the Koronke Family should have helped the manager?
Can’t be both
I did say it was over Ken1945 but not in January. After Havertz got injured, the writing was as good as on the wall for me. Credit to you for thinking that a win was really achievable after mid to late February. Liverpool going out of the FA Cup and then losing against PSG was a bridge too far. They were fresher for the run in and we still had rusty returnees and those still unable to play due to the severity of their injuries. The players did brilliantly to overpower RM and to maintain 2nd place.
I don’t think I said in January that we couldn’t catch them but my feelings were that the signings were very unlikely to make the difference that you have frequently alluded to.
So if you think we could catch them why would our owners not helping the manager be a good thing lol ?
Because that was their opinion Dan, just as it’s your opinion that if we had signed a forward, we could have caught them.
SueP, I didn’t think you said that, but I wanted you to clarify it, which you have done.
I always start the season believing we can win every game, every trophy and, until it’s impossible to do that, keep the faith.
If our manager and players took the same defeatist attitude that Dan took at the end of January, we wouldn’t have finished 2nd and progressed to the semi final of the CL
Imagine what the reaction would have been if they had listened to Dan and his hand wringing!! lol
The Auoer league? I covered that Dan and that’s when I saw a change in the way the Kronkie family viewed our club.
Of course, I assume you feel the same about every owner who opted to join the “Super league?”
Kinda puts every top PL side owners priorities in the same light doesn’t it?
The Super League!!
Dsn5, just read your post, where you say you defended them during the early Emirates seasons, so let’s say up to 2015, when Ozil was purchased.
Why then are you going in about Kronkie being a failure since joining the board in 2008?
Yeah but factually we are have not been in a better place since the Koronkes arrived have we ?
And?
That literally was my answer to someone’s statement
Whose statement was your aimed at Dan ?
Reggie
Arsenal fans should be celebrating Glaziers for trying hard to get man u relegated.
Well we haven’t been in the CL semi final since he became sole owner and we haven’t finished 2nd three tines in a row during our entire history as far as I’m aware.. perhaps you could confirm my viewpoint?
Ken he doesn’t like Arsenal fans using the word we lol
By the way Ken yes we have finished 2nd three years in a row before dude
When Dan, just for the record and my education on the club.
Who were the owners and the manager?
Can I ask are you asking me in good faith and not for a debate lol
Like this isn’t going to be like the racism one where you just don’t believe me
No just give me the dates Dan and I’ll do the rest.
Thanks.
Got it Dan 1998 to 2001 forgot about that – thanks for jogging my memory.
Would you say that we weren’t showing progress after the third season 2001?
By the way, we haven’t heard anything from either club or the police about the disturbance outside the Emirates, or the name of that individual in the ground at PSG.
The latter seemed an open and shut case, what with the photo, I wonder why it’s taking so long to get some news on either?
PSG taking civil action with help from
SOS Racisme
Arsenal released statement as well as videos on social media
Agreed, but that was within days of it happening Dan.
I don’t understand why, with the clear picture of the guy at the PSG away game being so clear, why he hasn’t been identified and arrested.
If that has happened in the Emirates, we know how quickly the club and the police acted.
Ken, what a terrible season 2000 was. Although we finished 2nd, we were 18 points behind Man Utd iirc. Knocked out early in both domestic Cups, finished 3rd in our CL group and lost the UEFA Cup Final on penalties.
Hopefully they find the coward
Hello Ken. Very interesting. Can you enlighten me how it is we owe 364 million to the man or is it to his company?
Slowly, slowly the United ship is sinking back into the state of mediocrity it was in before Ferguson’s arrival.
The only mediocrity around Arsenal is the Arsenal fans who believe the ever proofless nonsense against Arsenal that the
media is ever spouting.
Yes its great to be chasing at the top. Arsenal have done this in the past. this time there is a difference. We watch a game never knowing who is going score next.
Hi Charles, I believe it’s to his company as that is how he seems to fund his other sporting ownerships.
I agree 100% with your observation regarding Fergy, that’s why I detailed the number of trophies they have won before and after his tenure.
As for knowing who is going to score next, I suggest that’s the same whatever club one supports and, during the two previous seasons, it didn’t really matter at our club, as we were scoring goals from nearly every position on the field.
Charles and Ken, I’ve looked it up and Arsenal Holdings Ltd is 100% owned by KSE UK Inc which is 100% owned by Stan Kroenke. He owns both the men’s and the women’s teams.
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There’s something Abramovich added to chelsea that neither American families possess. The bond isn’t there. SOLIDARITY right?
But since he and his dirty money left, you would hardly say the club had a solid base would you?
What dirty money are you talking about, Ken?
The one that got them shiny wares?
Or the one that put EPL teams on the map as those to be taken serious in European football competitions?
Roman Abramovich’s money is cleaner than PGMOL.
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Really? So why are all his assets sitting in the coffers of our government and why was he forced to sell chelsea fc, two things that have never happened in the history of the game in England before?
Last I heard, the PGMOL were pleading poverty, so I don’t know what money your talking about there!!!
If America has a problem with England, that can land all of the Glaziers properties on English land in English coffers.
Simple politics.
It can also land all of Kroenke’s investment on British soil into British government coffers.
Quite simply.
And Arsenal can be defined as proceeds of blood money in such a case depending on interest.
As for the ones pleading poverty . . .
Maybe they’ve used their resources on the devil’s dandruff…
Who referred to it as that?
I’ve forgotten.
Kudos to that fellow.
The PGMOL can further mortgage credibility to secure funds from the north-west.
That would do for the meantime.
I am saying Abramovic has a better reputation than PGMOL which clearly has poverty of standardly standardized standard operation across board.
Had Alisher Usmanov taken over Arsenal then: the club would have been confiscated and maybe the stadium would have been burnt to the ground by now.
And if pigs had wings, they’d probably be able to fly.
Of course you didn’t reply to my explanation about Abramovitch and his dirty money…at least not a reply I could understand
Ken1945,
And the price of Bacon would go up.😂 Oh! the oldens are the best.😂👍
Thrill, America and the UK will never be at odds like the Western world is with Russia. History will tell you that they are allied to eachother. There’s more chance of the Pope getting married than America putting sanctions on the UK.
Kroenkes only failed with Arsenal as they’ve proven success and collected respectable prizes with their other teams in US. This therefore makes me doubt it is not their faults but the manager’s for Arsenal’s failure. They however don’t attend games at Emirates. Josh is commendable for attending the Women UCL final at Lisbon where the women won the historic trophy. If he attends more men’s matches, Arsenal could have won those elusive prizes. I can’t say they are misers to spend as they’ve shown with Rice and plenty of others. Transferring power to his energetic sons amplify the owners’ concern for Arsenal. Glazers are pure business men as their own Dutch manager LV Gaal confessed. They’ve made Utd more successful in the money league though that doesn’t sit well with fans. I’m not sure the Glazers have other sporting ventures in the states side. They want to live forever in Man utd by devising various tactics that help to appease the frustration of fans such as delegating to Ratcliffe. For Glazers Man Utd are cash cows. To sum up I still admire and prefer the Kroenkes to Glazers. The world’s largest stad which the Kroenkes built for 5bn is testament to their comprehensive sporting ambitions. For context Kroenkes’ hockey, basketball & American football teams have won nation wide top flight prizes except Arsenal where only the coaches should take the blame. Kroenkes > Glazers!
You doubt the manager?
I doubt the officiating.
It is screwed.
I ALWAYS doubt the officiating. So we’ve to beat both the on field opponents as well as the the men in ‘black’ as is said traditionally.
The better owner is the one who has made more rationalized money for himself using his property.
Whoever that is.