Why does Welbeck score for England but not Arsenal?

Danny Welbeck has been at Arsenal for 4 seasons, and although he scored a record 5 League goals for us last season, he only has a total of 15 in 80 games in four years. Hardly the figures of a top striker!

But, after scoring again against Costa Rica as a sub last night, his record for England shows he has scored 16 goals in just 39 games, double his average for Arsenal! After the game he was asked if he thought he should be given a starting role by manager Gareth Southgate instead of being a supersub, and Welbeck replied: “I have played better in games this season for my club [Arsenal] and not scored a goal, but I did score tonight.

“I am always hungry for more. I am really excited for the upcoming weeks.

“I have got a good record when I am playing for England, scoring goals, getting into dangerous positions, players have been finding me in dangerous positions as well. I am making runs and always trying to put the ball into the back of the net.

“Tonight there was two up front, Marcus [Rashford] and Vards [Jamie Vardy], and Marcus scored an incredible goal and Vards was dangerous throughout the whole game.

“There is a lot of competition throughout the whole squad and there is a lot of talented players on the pitch. But I think that ups everyone’s game, and it is healthy competition.”

Well Danny has always had “healthy competition” at Arsenal as well, but he always seems to have problems putting the ball in the back of the net and seems to lack confidence in front of goal. I can’t understand it at all. Perhaps he will have more confidence under Emery than he did under Wenger, but I wouldn’t bet on it!



  1. Muffdiver says:

    Lol I care ?
    He will solidify our bench or go to Turkey

    I’m miffed …had to watch city an United drift away …now Liverpool …compare squads -its laughable
    It’s gonna be funny to argue with ppl about whether xhaka is better than fabinho next season .

    I’m curious wengers gone…who do we blame ?
    Blame on it on the boogie!

    1. McLovin says:

      Klopp is really addressing the weak spots in the team. Wenger NEVER did that.

      Blunt attack without CL football -> brought Firmino and Mane
      At CL again -> brought Salah and Keita (for next season)
      Lost CL final -> bought Fabinho and Fekir to fill in a weak midfield

      When they bring GK, any decent GK really, they are a real force.

      Jury still out on Emery, because we still have few months to get: GK, CB, DM, CM and a winger.

      Meanwhile, we are left discussing why Danny f’n Welbeck scores for England when we should be talking about why the f*** is he still in the Arsenal team.

      1. Adam Criniti says:


        Liverpool’s last three transfer windows have
        been nothing short of remarkable and all
        made possible by Barcelona paying a
        ridiculous transfer sum for Coutinho. If they
        do land Fekir and upgrade the goalie position
        I believe Klopp and company will seriously
        challenge Pep in the EPL and could find
        themselves right back in the CL final.

        WTS, do you honestly believe Arsenal will
        attempt to upgrade all the positions you
        mentioned and if so who would personally
        target for those spots?

      2. A.ball08 says:

        Without sounding rude but can we all move on from now about Wenger
        We have a new man in tow now and he is slowly addressing the problems but time will tell.

  2. Heyzee says:

    Why don’t y’all talk about Alex Iwobi this way on this website?how about an article that states “why does Iwobi score/perform for Nigeria and not Arsenal”… and that’s talking about a younger player who s has years ahead of him to improve..hell NO! all the lad gets are comments of hate from this platform but a far useless Welbeck gets comments like ” he could perform better under Emery”,blabla…really?An aging Welbeck could perform under a new coach while a young Iwobi doesn’t deserve a chance under the same gaffer and should be sold off…is it because he is Nigerian and not British?very unfair in my opinion…admin take note.

    1. Abu says:

      We need both of them to be sold. Happy now ?

      1. Break-on-through says:

        Higher standards at Arsenal compared Nigeria. He has to play very well over the long haul to stand out amongst Auba Laca Ozil Mkhit, but not just them because he also has to stand out compared De Bryne Hazard Salah etc etc. Versus Nigerians and v allot of average to poor African nations he might stand out. But will he look good when Nigeria are facing the best European and S American sides, I think not. Also Iwobi am guessing receives better love when he’s over there, at Arsenal he has to work for that love.

        1. Abel says:

          He did score a brace against a full strength Argentine team last year.

    2. jon fox says:

      The problem you have with being taken seriously on this , is that you have always bigged up the Nigerian nationality and used claims of racism, though somewhat( poorly) disguised, when commenting on those who disagree with you. Nationality and ALL references to it should be kept out of comments since it is irrelevant, except to you, sadly. No fan I have ever known personally gives any thought at all to nationality; only TO TALENT, OR LACK OF IT. Quite simple really! On eof the things I like most about British footbal is thr total lack or racism , in stark contrast to some other countries, esp in Russia where the WC is being held, disgracefully, and will therefore be shunned and ignored by many decent folk, myself included.

      1. Break-on-through says:

        Very true and is ugly to watch. I don’t know how some of those players who’ve experienced it, can hold themselves back from doing an Eric Cantona right into the crowd. It must be demoralizing to be on the end of that stupidity, but I love it when you then see the player going up a few gears to try and stick it to them.

        1. jon fox says:

          I think what we are both agreed about is that racists are unevolved cavemen. And a cave, or better still under a stone in a swamp , is where they belong! Meanwhile, PROPER humans live in the 21st century. Thank God!

      2. Musdon says:

        This isn’t just a case of iwobi performing against weak African sides, but doing well against strong sides in form of Argentina, poland

      3. Abel says:

        Jon, like I remember pointing out to you in a different thread, there is deep seated racism in English football. You may chose to bury your head in sand and claim otherwise. It’s just not in the scale of the likes of Russia and Ukraine.
        The Aluko lady who has now left England to sign for Juventus was a proven case despite denials in public by the FA. Yet they sacked the coach an paid Aluko compensation.
        You can chose to live in a burble, but Players like Rio ferdinand and Sol Campbell will tell you how much racism they faced in their playing careers. Hence how active they are in the ‘kick it out’ campaign.

  3. gotanidea says:

    Because the previous Man United’s and Wenger’s systems did not work well with Welbeck

    I hope Emery can utilize Welbeck’s pace and physical attributes, because Welbeck is willing to work hard in the field

    If he doesn’t thrive as an attacker, maybe Arsenal can use him as a right wingback, like Antonio Valencia and Victor Moses

    1. Heyzee says:

      He is just not good enough please… Welbeck is just fortunate to be a footballer…he is too poor….and let no one come up with the bullshit that he is an England international… oh please…which decent player wouldn’t… I surely would if I was English too;mediocre team like England’s. Ask yourself how many other top European teams would take Welbeck to the world cup and how many of the dropped players of top European and South American teams would England pick without thinking twice(sane,naingolan,icardi,et al).Welbeck should not be playing football..he is too dull to be a footballer.

      1. gotanidea says:

        Welbeck scored goals for Arsenal, in some Europa League, FA Cup final and big Premier League matches

        He is a very good athlete and footballer, but he never got good guidance from his coaches

        When he plays in the wings, he is brave to take on the defenders and works hard to pressurize the opponents

      2. Durand says:

        You make a decent point, give ya that.

        Oddly enough your statement above replace “Welbeck” with “Iwobi” and the comment still holds true.

        I would add immature to Iwobi as well, partying into wee hours before the Nottingham Forrest FA Cup slaughter.

        Iwobi has talent, and very well may come good, but he needs to grow up and find consistency on loan. Iwobi is straight up passenger on Arsenal and in danger of wasting time like Ox.

        1. Durand says:

          My comment was in reply to Hayzee

        2. Amidewa says:

          Iwobi still shows more promise than Welbeck.

          Neither will, however, ever be top 4 material unless Emery resurrects Iwobi’s confidence AND keep it up.

      3. John says:

        Totally agree…….average player……….

  4. GB says:

    Welbeck is a decent player but does need to brush up on his finishing, similar to Iwobi. It does help of course that England put crosses into the box, something I’m sure Wenger was against. I’m hoping Emery changes many aspects of Arsenal’s play like stop the tippy tapping along the edge of the box, encourage players to get to the byline and cross the ball, stop players continually passing backwards and allow more shots from outside the box.

    1. GunnerSince2004 says:

      Welbeck is more of a second striker in a formation like this:


      Bellerin Mustafi Sokatris Monreal


      Ramsey Xhaka



      1. jon fox says:

        Any “defence” that includes Bellerin and Mustafi is not really a defence at all. Is it!

        1. Adam Criniti says:


          Any chance Bellerin may be packing his hair
          products with Arsenal suppisedly sniffing
          around Klosterman from RB?

          1. Declan says:

            I agree with you Gunner-2004 but Mustafi, while saving our arses at times, is too much of a liability.

    2. Rashid80 says:

      Have you been watching the same arsenal ive been watching? All what we’ve been doing the last couple seasons was pass sideways and find players on the wings and cross poorly

      1. GB says:

        Not just sideways, mainly backwards and yes the minimal times the ball has been crossed they have been poor crosses. Wenger didn’t like crosses and hopefully the coaching will change under Emery.

        1. jon fox says:

          Or the coaching , esp in defence might START, rather than merely change. I saw no evidence whatever that there was ANY defensive coaching at all!

  5. Jeremy says:

    Perhaps he should sign for England and get them to pay him.

    He didn’t seem eager enough when playing for employer.

  6. ruelando says:

    Welbeck seems to be such an awkward and clumsy striker, who has missed a lot of goal opportunities, he does not carry the flair such as a Laca or Aub may provide, or the creative brilliance of other strikers.

    However, Welbeck is a hard working player for the Arsenal and contribute massively to the defense and attack, is he an A+ striker, NO!, but i will give him a B+ for the work he puts in all area of the field.

    Hopefully, he can stay injury free for the new season and Emery starts him when necessary or carry him off the bench

  7. tas says:

    Welbeck scores for England because they are yet to play against a strong country so far its been our level and below but i’m hoping he will come up with the goods to country and club

  8. Arsene Wenger. says:

    Welbeck is a good squad player when not injured.

  9. Arsene Wenger. says:

    I signed him to add squad depth which he did.Arsenal can’t afford to loose him in anyway.

    1. jon fox says:

      Were I you, I would now be far too embarrassed to continue to use your profile name. Why not update it, just as our club has now, finally, updated itself ?

  10. alan B'stard M P says:

    Why doses he scored more for Englnd? Because with England, he’s not surrounded by tossers with an idiotic overrated manager. Now that manager has changed, perhaps it will be better for Welbeck

    1. Mobella says:

      Well Lacazette was surrounded with the same tosser with idiotic manager and scored more than what Welbeck had scored for us ever since he has being here. The guy is a limited footballer. I like him but he is a kind of player that should be mentioned in the same sentence with arsenal. I can’t understand why the tone here today is in support of him staying but not For Lacazette yesterday.

  11. GunnerSince2004 says:

    Look at the bright side….. we bought Welbz for 16mil and I remember laughing at Man U fans saying what a give away for a home-grown British who was then 24 and had potential. I’m sure we can sell him for more than that in today’s market, after all we bought Giroud for 12mil but sold him to Chelsea for 17mil, though i feel that was bargain for Chelsea. Sure we can squeeze 22mil for Welbz

  12. Innit says:

    Welbeck has been worth the £16. He has scored goals. Helped us beat United at Old Trafford. Helped us to win 3 FA Cups. Played both striker and LW.

    But with Lacazette and Aubameyang, maybe it would be better to get some money by selling him and upgrading a youth player or getting a top winger who can play upfront too.

  13. Innit says:

    I am a fan of Nketiah and Nelson. I hope they will improve and be great players

  14. Diana says:

    Welbeck is a decent player BUT not Arsenal quality. He works hard yes, but i can point to players we could have who work equally as much but with better skill. Willian, Zaha, Arnautovic, Pedro etc all of which earn LESS than Welbeck. Tell you dont prefer them ALL to Welbeck.

    1. GunnerJack says:

      Nicely summed up.

    2. Abel says:

      Arnautovic and Pedro are not hardworkers but are very technically gifted.

  15. Rkw says:

    Who cares …. He is and always will be a less than average player whatever the context … Sell … Might get 20m for him from burnley or equivalent … Every team seriously investing in upgrades … Except chelski as mr rubel bags is trying to work out where he from …and the team in most need is looking at freebies and potential …

  16. Ger says:

    Giv all the if and buts a break
    A new manager with a new stile of play will have some new players
    Look lads enjoy the summer and world cup
    Wait and see how things work out not being good to be so negative
    The season has not even started

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