Is VAR against Arsenal?
Arsenal faced off against Aston Villa on the weekend and walked away defeated 1-0, after what was an eventful game at Villa Park. Again, VAR referees are coming into question after a few questionable decisions from Australian Referee Jarad Gillett and his assistants through the match, and has left Arsenal fans feeling singled out again and hard done by after what turned out to be one of our biggest games of the season.
In the 41st minute Gabriel Jesus made his way into the box but was stonewall tackled by Douglas Luiz and had his leg kicked blatantly from the back and squeezing him between Luiz and another Villa player in the middle of the box, but VAR and the ref didn’t even blink an eye at the contact. That for me was a straight red card and a penalty and in a game with such high tempo and a lot on the line, a penalty could change the whole game and could have put us in the driving seat.
In the second half another blatant red card off the ball when in the 88th minute Diego Carlos was seen to elbow Eddie Nketiah in the head and it was just ruled to be a yellow card. A blatant red card for me, it looked intentional and even if it wasn’t, it was dangerous play. A straight elbow to the head. To make it even worse, when you look back at the replays, it’s painfully clear that referee Jarad Gillett wasn’t even looking when the challenge was made, and his assistants were too focused on Arsenal players being offside than what was happening off the ball.
When you’ve got a system like VAR and you have the ability to look back at this type of stuff and analyse it, I don’t see how they can come to the conclusion that it wasn’t a dangerous challenge and only deserved a yellow card.
And in the dying minutes of the game another questionable decision, when Kai Havertz was seen handballing the ball before he put it into the net. But the whole run of play was a bit confusing and when you look back at it, it leaves you with more questions than answers. The ball gets whipped into the box, onto the head of Kai Havertz, who the heads the ball onto Matty Cash’s upper arm, then hits Havertz’s lower wrist, then hits Cash’s arm again, before hitting Havertz’s hand and then Havertz’s knocking the ball into the back of the net.
This is the one that probably makes the most sense when it comes to the rules of the game, but the proximity has to be a concern and the amount of stuff that happened in the build up leaves you wondering if the striker should have just got the benefit of the doubt in a situation like that. The handball rule is a confusing one and it never seems to be consistent from game to game so no wonder people get confused by what the law is and isn’t, but it is certain that no handball was intentional.
What’s your thought on the VAR and referee decisions on the weekend Gooners?
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The only questionable decision was the elbow. That could very easily have been a red card. It wasn’t given as one. The player does look at Nketiah and it is deliberate. The other two were for me correct decision by the letter of the law or VAR. Opinion on the decisions decisions doesn’t matter, the law as it stands (like it or not was followed)
As soon as it went to VAR, we already knew the outcome. Clear and obvious error apparently!
I don’t feel singled out
A week before Man City had a free kick , reff gave advantage and then changed his mind when Grealish was through on goal
So were Man City singled out then ?
Or In reality is it as simple as officials being poor in this country
Why does it happen to us so often unlike City.
It doesn’t mate
We just think it does as we are emotionally involved
A City fan would tell you , name a worse decision then Rashford’s goal last year in the Manchester Derby ?
The reality is name any club and I can a time a decision went their way and a time it didn’t
At the Emirates last season against City , we were awarded a penalty and City had a penalty over turned by VAR
If we were being singled out that doesn’t happen
Just something we make up to ignore the reality
It does and countless times to be precise. The Rashford goal is’nt as worse as what we experienced at Newcastle where i’ve seen ref made calls contrary to their arrogantly concluded “right call”.
But the point is City have had decisions go against them and got on with it
Decisions that go against you is ok if they are right decisions.
This is only about when they are wrong decisions. And how big the decisions are (goals, pens etc). And how often they happen matters.
What ppl are saying is it happens more to Arsenal than others. Except maybe Wolves.
It doesn’t
We are just emotionally connected so think that
Last season at the Emirates against Man City we were awarded a pen and VAR overturned a pen for City
So literally in that game the decisions went our way
btw “got on with it”?
u shd read a City forum some time lol
Exactly @Neutral, “Wrong calls” the keyword he woefully failed to grab.
Grealish was offside so ref had to pull it back. Brought it back to the first offence which was the foul.
Not singled out, but fell to poor officiating from the ref, for us the same foul is deemed a penalty for Palace, but for us not, it is the inconsistency that frustrates the fans, no-one is singled out, but it doesn’t help Arteta having a meltdown at VAR after Newcastle, and Jesus always falling down too easily. Remember the game against Southampton when Jesus asked the ref “why didn’t you give the penalty” and the ref said “You should have gone down”. Mike Dean’s refusal to alert Antony when the Chelsea player had his hair pulled by by the Spurs defender, stating he didn’t want to add to his grief on the pitch. Ivan Toney’s offside not given by Mason, Wolves countless wrong decisions against them, it is a familiar pattern and for me it shows VAR officials are not good enough and some refs aren’t as good either. It is getting more common place by every week and watching Howard Webb talk complete rubbish doesn’t help
SPOT ON fioshadow and why anyone can’t see the obvious inadequacies of our current officials is beyond me!!
Absolute tosh.The ball hit class arm FIRST.That is all anyone needs to know.Therefore a penalty first.All the nonsense afterwards is irrelevant.
As for Luiz on Jesus.It was deemed ‘ insufficient’ enough to create a penalty,They laughably tried to imply it was different from the Liverpool one? Really? Var conveniently reinterpreting( bending.Take your pick)the rules.
Oh,& surprise,surprise.It’s come to light the ‘ ref’ is a die hard Liverpool fan.once again a PGMOL stitch up.Open your eyes wide people.
Just read a very interesting article on Le Grove about Jarad Gillett and the decisions he has historically made against us ! Regarding the Luiz kick on the back of Jesus’ leg in the box, an identical incident in an earlier game was given as a penalty. Ultimately we lost the game due us not taking our clear cut chances and poor refereeing by the VAR ref.
Exactly
We wont win the title because the players we have are not good enough
That’s okay to say that .
It’s simply saying there are not ready for the level Man City have set
Easier to blame officials but that’s not what a big club do
Dan, if we had scored from the chances, this would not matter. We are losing 0-1, why cannot someone train the players to score two goals? Are we nervous when facing physical teams or is “Win” down with illness? Mikel Arteta needs to let us know.
No it’s a mentality issue
We will go to Anfield in two weeks and the atmosphere / occasion will be too much
Havertz will go missing , Raya will look unconfident
That’s when you need a striker who will take the few chances you make
We will bring on Eddie Nketiah and Reiss Nelson who will freeze.
Yet Some will find a decision that went against us
Jarred is a Liverpool fan.
I t were the Palace/Liverpool game
A fool proof, shunting of questionable referee decisions is by killing off the game the minute we are on top, either with ball possession or a goal. It’s becoming very clear that some “mistakes” by officials are not really mistakes, but conscious, blatantly disrespectful decisions borne out of complacency and a lack of repercussions for wrong doing. . Its a slippery slope that will not be dealt with by the authorities.
I didn’t see any questionable VAR decision
Arsenal simply lost the game because they didn’t contain Bailey despite having watched him doing a similar movement against Man City a few days ago and they weren’t clinical
The loss was totally avoidable if Arsenal thoroughly analyzed how Bailey penetrated Man City’s defense, because he also went inside to dribble past his marker in that game!
Gai who was his marker? Bailey operated from the left which was the space Zichenko left. It wasn’t really about conceding one goal but about us not scoring. I have said before “football isn’t about play making or how well you dominate but about goals” we need our Frontline to be clinical especially our CF. We conceded 3 against Luton but scored 4 (3points) simple. Many crosses but we had no dynamic CF. Hope Arteta do the needful in January
#Bailey operated from right Zinny’s keft
Zinchenko marked Bailey and stopped him from moving forward, but someone else should’ve prevented Bailey from cutting inside to get past Zinchenko and his teammates
Martinelli and Saka always get double-teamed by the opposition. But Arsenal didn’t do it to Bailey, despite having watched him dribbling diagonally and scoring against Man City
Jesus is a dynamic CF, but his hold-up play wasn’t as good as the ones he did against Wolves and Luton. I also hope Arsenal sign a stronger CF in January, but I bet they will only purchase a high-profile one in next summer
Gai Yea, you are right sometimes Arteta needs to tell his players to double up on dangerous players. Sometimes White isn’t able to handle this type of players alone ie Brighton trickyMitoma we are facing in Sunday.
When are we going to stop blaming VAR for our shortcomings?
Never – it’s easier to believe we’re victims, so many people will always succumb to that. Had we taken our chances, we’d have won the game, but we didn’t.
When they stop being against us.
See if you can answer this
What did VAR have to do with our defending for Villas goal ?
What did VAR have to do with Odegarrd’s finishing ?
Nothing of course but they have to play their role rightly when called upon.
See if you can answer this Dan:
Why didn’t the official take the play back to when the ball first hit the vila player?
Why didn’t the official spot the headbutt?
Why didn’t the official notice the kick on Gabriel in the penalty incident?
I am not interested in how many times officials have given wrong decisions at other clubs – that is a red herring as we are discussing The Arsenal.
No one is saying that the officials had anything to do with our defending or Odegaard’s misses are they?
You are introducing these as a way to support your argument, yet they have nothing to do with the three questions I Have asked you above have they..
By the way, instead of blaming VAR, which is a piece of technology, why not blame the officials who are, either, using it incorrectly or imposing their own interpret of an incident?
Ken mate I’m with you
Officials in this country are a disgrace and need to improve
This idea though that there is an agenda against Arsenal ?
I see bad decisions in every other game
Luton should have had a player sent off against City and didn’t
And I’m sorry mate , if anyone makes the arguments that there is a agenda to stop us winning title then yes you have to then look into all decisions
Dan, I DO believe there is an agenda against our club… mainly due to the outburst by MA after the Newcastle game.
How else can you explain the three examples/questions I asked you above?
That, HOWEVER, is completely different to the awful and regular decisions being made at every game, every week and against every team.
To blame VAR technology for the incompetence of referees is ridiculous – it is THEY who are making the decisions, not a piece of technology that they, for some unfathomable reason, cannot use to enforce the rule book!!
Because if there was an agenda other things wouldn’t make sense
We wouldn’t be awarded a pen against Man City last season , home to Spurs this season , at West Ham in the title run in
If the agenda was to help City win title Man City wouldn’t have decisions go against them against Spurs and Luton
If you were referring to the Foden-Townsend incident then it’s no way a red card.
No the two foot lunge Jacob Brown made against Foden that should have been a red !
Shall we just ignore that ?
Pouch storms the pitch to have a dig. Erlin Haaland gets into
refs face screaming at him.
Pep at Luton gets to pointing in the refs face ”’at half time”’. Arteta celebrates a ”97th min winner” runs onto the pitch. Out of these four incidents guess who’s booked and suspended?
NY, some people wont. Its just how it is. If you go on every fan site of the other teams, they say exactly the same. Every club, gets the bad decisions. Every club is robbed. Its just how it is. Some dont want to accept the real reasons.
The VAR system is flawed and like the current “hand ball” rule needs to be scrapped in its present form.The fact that we lost narrowly to Villa and Newcastle has more to do with our failure to convert control into goals and this is where our Manager has to show more imagination in terms of positional switching /rotation in our front three .
VAR as you say, may be flawed, the rules may be stupid. It isn’t VAR its the rules people don’t like or don’t understand.
Plus its easier sometimes to blame something else, than the real reasons.
I don’t agree with you on this one Grandad – it’s the officials who are “flawed” and that’s why we’re are getting different interpretations of, nigh on, identical incidents… that are recorded by VAR.
I watched a horrific tackle by a spud player versus Newcastle yesterday. VAR was used to look at the tackle, but it was the officials who decided it was only a yellow card.
These are not VAR decisions, but officials who are interpreting the rules as they see fit – to stop using VAR will not see them interpreting their own opinions, but at least VAR gives a measure of their judgement… and we have seen officials being held accountable at long last (even if they if the punishment is laughable!).
I just can’t understand how an attacker handles the ball and its a free kick out..but a defender handles the ball and NO penalty..can someone pls explain..
It depends on which of them handled the ball first. I personally could not tell, even after watching it a dozen or more times.
We have to get rid of VAR it’s obviously not working infact it’s worse than when we didn’t have it,we should stick to the decisions from the referee and linesmen only also we can sympathise with some wrong decisions cos it’s human area on the pitch but VAR is suppose to be top of the range technology with so call experts analysing it, obviously not no one knows what their doing or understand what VAR is so bring back the good ol’ days
I think we should use as much irrefutable tech as possible. Like goal line & offside judging, and ditch the stuff the stuff that they make personal judgements on.
Very sensible Hax
Our loss cannot be solely attributed to VAR; rather, we haven’t reached the free-flowing football standards of the previous year. The inverted full-back strategy is proving ineffective, especially with the inclusion of the subpar replacement for Xhaka.
VAR has no consistency for any club.
Yes we missed chances, our fault for best reasons known to us but it was also clear and obvious that the officiating was poor and as always we are at the wrong end of it. Carry on! i’d say to them but they CAN’T stop us from winning the gaddamn tittle!
Varsity has wronged all teams more or less. Our problem is easy to diagnose as long as you don’t go blind. That is the lack of depth in the team. It is a real miracle that we are Back in contention for the title…and last year the miracle lasted longer because we had no obligations in the Champions League. And I ask everyone directly. It is believed that someone can come From the bench and should we expect something similar to the work of the main player? No. If you exclude the change Martinelli, with Trossard, Jesus with Trossard… all the other changes either in the match or as Rotison, it’s a complete downgrade. who or who is on the bench, except trossard maybe a bit of zorginho? netia, is a level below, from championship, so is Vieira, the same And worse with Smith Rowe, whoever you bring in … and if you also go to the defensive line? desperation … who or who can match someone from the usual starting four? do you …Unlike Liverpool and City of course, even Newcastle and Tottenham have more credit depth than our own team. This is needed. Discarding sales and four five with Ready classic players who will also play basic and there will be a healthy competition. Of course this does not happen overnight…but I believe with some good and special ones Transfers in January and especially in the summer, then we enter dynamically for a standard decade … we also add Charlie patino to the first team and now we will be able to sit straight,Ready for a fight with anyone. That should be the plan. That’s why I say it’s a miracle our run for the second year in a row.
Havertz, inadvertently or not, handled the ball 2 or even three times – it was not a goal. Grandad is right in that if we were to finish some of our many chances we would not be talking about it now. NY Gunner is also right when he says every team feels robbed by VAR decisions. Less whingeing please let’s look forward.
Hi Andrew – should we not be questioning why these highly paid professional officials aren’t getting decisions so wrong, giving different decisions for the same type of incident, while facing no real consequences?
Why they are getting decisions so wrong!!!
SOME of us KEN would say it was BOUND to happen, as those who brought it in – thus choosing to promote a faceless, voiceless, extra so called “superior super ref” over and ABOVE the actual pitch ref, lacked any foresight, intelligence or moral at all. Even dyed in the wool pro football folk like Lineker are NOW against, it having been all for it originally.
He even said on MotD this last weekend that he feels guilty for having once wanted it and for defending it.
But SOME will never learn! Nor have the humility to ever admit they were wrong all along!
A deliberately designed rabble rousing piece , borne out of the writers own frustration that we did not beat Villa. It is also simply designed to polarise opinion, as so drearily often is the norm onJA, while avoiding all contextual intellectual debate.
Therefore, I choose not to take part in such a low class, non sensible debate about the game itself.
I will though once again repeat my view that the advent of VAR was a massively retrograde step that I wish with every fibre of my being had never been implemented at all.
Ths view is not based merely on our game at Villa but on the short sighted foolishness of choosing to undermine ALL match refs by appointing a self aggrandising, so called “superior” match ref, based and hidden away from fan view and hearing in a silly pointless booth away from ANY public communication.
How stupid can the authorities who first introduced that catastrophic farce ever be!
JUST HOW ANY SANE PERSON CAN EXPECT JUSTICE, WHEN FANS ARE DENIED ALL KNOWLEDGE AND ALL HEARING, BEGGARS BELIEF.
I passionately believe in PROPER COMMUNICATION but VAR was deliverately designed to be like the secretive Stasi in old time Berlin. FOOLS! And corrupt fools too!
It is regularly spoiling almost ALL PREM MATCHES AND REMAINS THE FOOLISHLY CHOSEN ABOMINATION IT HAS BEEN FOR FOUR YEARS ALREADY!
But you ignore the very simple answer to your question Jon – it’s the PGMOL who are refusing to set up mics and allow their officials to explain the decisions they make.
You deliberately ignore the facts that, before the technology of VAR was introduced, officials were STILL making horrendous mistakes that couldn’t / wouldn’t / were unable to be challenged.
Due to the introduction of VAR technology, they CAN be challenged and the % of right decisions have improved – as the PGMOL agree on.
With the average salary of £90,000 being reported for “professional referees” shouldn’t we be expecting more consistency with decisions?
I’m still 100%behind the technology and your blistering about what you think as being correct, is just pure comedy for me!
Well YOUR blinkered view, Ken, is more tragedy, though for the game itself, than comedy.
Something WILL happen next summer to change this weekly farce across the whole PREM , WHATEVER YOU MAY THINK.
There is such a mighty fan outcry right through the Prem now for the authorities to ignore that VAR is ruining the game.
Something , I dont tknow what, but SOMETHING WILL be done. I am prepared to bet it will happen too.
Sorry Jon?
My blinkered view?
Yet you have, as usual, failed to address even ONE of my points.
You keep on repeating that VAR is ruining the game, yet can’t seem to grasp the very simple FACT that it is the OFFICIALS who are using the system, interpreting their own interpretation of the rules and giving different decisions on nigh on the same situation game after game.
I DO agree that things will change and clubs will not receive letters apologising for incorrect decisions made by officials – decisions will NOT take four minutes when the naked eye can see the answer – there will NOT be instances of OFFICIALS forgetting to draw simple lines to check offside – there will NOT be instances where the OFFICIALS on the field misinterpret what the OFFICIALS using var are saying – we WILL see officials miked up and fans given the opportunity to see WHY the OFFICIAL has made a decision that was called into question – we WILL see OFFICIALS being questioned after games – we WILL see OFFICIALS being properly punished….in my opinion.
Can you see the theme that runs through my post Jon?
OFFICIALS – not TECHNOLOGY.
Just like a driving test, keep doing it until you get it right and, meanwhile, improve on the technology being used in the car, unless, of course, you think we should ban progress until all humans are robots?
Funnily enough though, the PGMOL don’t agree with you.
Ken On this topic, I have given up trying to sensibly debate with your blinkered mind.
Blinkered, not merely about VAR but also blinkered in that you consistently IGNORE the many times I have posted that VAR IS the officials who operate it.
Without them, it is simply a piece of inert, unusable technlogy and as such as useless as a front dor key used to start a car engine.
The whole point of what I have said to you, COUNTLESS TIMES ALREADY, is that the officials ARE the problem!!
But STILL YOU PERSIST , IN BLINKERED FASHION, ASKING ME THE VERY THING I HAVE ALREADY TOLD YOU AND AGREED ABOUT,SO OFTEN .
Why do you do this then? You are not thick, not naive and not inexperienced .
So I cannot work out WHY you bore me to death with the same old interminable , many times answered question.
Our only important difference in curing a problem we both agree exists , is that YOU believe further, better training of VAR officials will bring about consistency. While I maintain that all humans will see things differently from others. And as MOST VAR inconsistencies come from SUBJECTIVE CALLS, not actual provable things, such as was a foul INor OUT of the 18 year box, but was it a hand ball, (aka ballhand!!!) or a foul worthy of an actual penalty or was the forward milking it and seeking to con the ref.
MOST VAR controversies , not all, but MOST, are subjective calls therefore and two refs rather than a sensible ONLY one, will often see things differently.
I recognise that basic human fault, while you do not. Sigh!
Other than that Ken, further discussion on VAR is totally pointless between you and I. END OF!
Well written article Jon Fox about the ineptitude of VAR.
Good to read that you agree with plain and obvious truth , Topman!
I don’t know what’s worse – the years prior VAR or what we have now?! ?!
Every team gets calls wrong from VAR and to use a more recent expression I get the feeling that unconscious bias comes into play – both from our own perception of decision making and the decision makers themselves who decide that a red card offence is one week given, but not the next. It’s diabolical that these faceless individuals can make regular cock ups. Apologies should not have to be made apart from on rare occasions. Not remembering to draw the line blah, blah, blah…. It’s happening across the league and is causing untold damage to the reputation of our refereeing
Sue, consider the pre VAR days, when refs were accused, rightly, of failing to show consistency in decision making.
Now consider the present VAR situation, where not one but TWO refs are in charge of each game and when we NOW have FAR MORE INCONSISTENCY.
Does that tell you anything? As possibly the brightest most sensible regular on JA, I reckon it should.
VAR was never thought through by wise intellectually sound minds, but was brought in by dullards who stupidly”thought” it would cure the then existing inconsistency.
BUT it has increased it tenfold, as THOSE WHO HAD KEEN INTELLECT BACK THEN AND WHO STILL HAVE, LONG AGO WARNED ALL AND SUNDRY THAT WAS INEVITABLY BOUND TO HAPPEN
Sue, each passing week, it is regularly destroying thtg sould , spirit ands fairnes in our game , not to mention th viyal fan enjoyment, the very thing that makes fans attend.
TAKE AWAY that fan enjoyment and a little further down the line, we all have NO GAME AT ALL.
I sometimes feel like the only sane voice in a football asylum of fools.
Come out publicly against it SUE. We sane ones need intelligent, widely respected voices on OUR SIDE.
I have long been on the side of VAR – in the sense that sometimes things do get missed by the ref on the pitch and if a system could be developed and used exactly- then I am fully in support.
I’m fast becoming totally disillusioned by decisions now taking several minutes. How far back in the play up till VAR is called upon should they check? Can’t an offside decision be made within a minute or less? If a decision can’t be reached by then, further checks should be axed and the game resumes.
Football should be a fast moving game and not ludicrously complicated and delayed by officials.
I know that you loathe it and I support you and understand why, but it’s fair to say I have so many mixed feelings about it. I want it to work for the sake of fairness but if 1 human makes a mistake then there is no reason why 2 humans together can’t make the same mistake. We are not programmed to be perfect and that is a major part of the problem I just wish it was as straightforward as goal line technology which is really useful
Once again, though, SueP, it’s not the fault of the technology that it’s taking so long, it’s the officials who can’t seem to draw lines, follow the rules of the PGMOL (hands on back to gain an advantage =foul) or even get consistency over decisions from game to game.
VAR technology has nothing to do with the above – it’s, quite simply, the inadequacies of the officials who use it.
As you admit they cant get it right KEN, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO CHANGE IT? I know you will say “more training” and good luck with that hopeless quest!
WHY CAN’T THEY GET IT RIGHT JON?
Are they not well paid professionals who have been selected as the creme de la creme?
So what your REALLY saying is that, as they can’t get it right, let’s pander to their inadequacies and ignore the fact that, even with said inadequacies, they have improved their decision making to over 99%?
Is that what you are advocating?
Ken Please scoll up for my answer to your post timed at 11.38pm yesterday. I was in bed asleep well before you posted that.
And perhaps YOU can explain why all the training VAR officials have ALREADY had IS PLAINLY not working? I know why though, as my post above tells you!
Sue I agree with your last two paragraphs but not the first one. The reality SHOWS US WEEKLY that two officials, working apparantly together -which in practise, means the pitch ref ALWAYS does what the VAR official tells him to do – are not only taking alifetime to make decisions but many wrong and embarrassingly so.
FANS, QUITE RIGHTLY, WILL NOT AND DO NOT ACCEPT THAT VAR,since it has slow motion replays, STILL gets so much wrong. It ought to be binned altogether next summer.
I predict a major change WILL be made next summer given the general outcry from so many Prem fans against it.
I am prepared to put money on my view that SOMETHING radical will be done, as it simply CANNOT go on as things are now, or the game will be mortally damaged.
If they abolished VAR tomorrow, it would be two weeks before people would be saying bring it back. How easily people forget the total injustices and awful decisions that were missed. VAR is just another tool (run by tools🤣) to use as an excuse. Referees what ever anybody on here says can not officiate a top game of football without some form of technological help. Maybe the rules of football need radically changing to help the game be refereed. Simple easy rules and not the complecated rules we play to now. But Referees can not do it without help.
Hear hear Reggie – the voice of sanity and clear thinking 👋👋
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I’ll take the penalty & red card, but the handball at the end was so confusing, as to who actually handled the ball first, and I don’t know one ref who could judge that without the dubious VAR aid.
Look up the handball rule and it was done to the letter of the law. You can not firm an opinion if uou dont know the rule first.
Copy/pasted rules change below.
The Premier League revised its handball rules ahead of the 2021/2022 season where they stated that:
“If an attacking player’s accidental handball
immediately precedes another player scoring, the goal will now be awarded, when last season it was likely to have been ruled out.
However, a player will still be penalised if he commits an accidental handball immediately before scoring himself.
Please note that a player still cannot score a goal with their arm, even if it is accidental.”
Correct, so correctly applied. I do wish some people would know the rules before spouting.
Yes correct that the goal can’t stand.
Then they have to decide if it hit the defenders hand 1st. If they think so then they have to apply a different rule to decide if its a penalty (bcos obv the defender is not “an attacking player” covered by the rule I pasted above).
I guess they decided they couldnt tell for sure.
Therein lies the question… how far back did the official take it, as we can see it DOES hit the defender first.
The great thing for Arteta of course is if everything is the fault of the referees then nothing is his fault. Which means he will get an easier ride than any other manager in the premier league. As long as Arsenal fans keep believing this garbage of course.
And yes, not just Arteta but there is something in that!!!!!
Everyone likes a scapegoat referee or VAR.
When has he said that jod, or have you just made it up?
Go back and LISTEN to his post match comments.
It’s not an Arsenal thing.
Its not an Arsenal thing. Its an Arsenal and Wolves thing lol
Off topic:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67680042
More signs of corruption in football?
This reminded me of Putin changing the 2-terms for presidents rule in russia so he could stay in power.
I read that as well Neutral – probably the fault of VAR!!
Also the horrendous attack on the referee in Turkey, will also, somehow, be blamed on VAR by those with an agenda