Is it all about the AKBs, or AOB? Or is it about time for a change? by Anko
I am not going to blindfold myself and say everyone on JustArsenal is an AOB because I still see a lot of comments in support of Arsene. I am not going to go to specific names but there are those who have put it very clear that Arsene should’ve gone well over 5 years ago. I will also not to try to justify who is right or wrong, that’s an opinion we can’t change right now and I am one of those who believe that one has the right to feel what they feel and expressing it.
Now topic of the day, I want to relate what we see on the pitch to real life situations. I know a few of us have in one time or another listened to or read a motivational speech and felt moved and ended up either changing your life or your mood for the moment. But as they say, you may not laugh at the same joke all the time, you may also not be motivated by the same things all the time.
An article here spoke of the importance of changing managers often and I am inclined to agree with him. If Leicester fired a manager that performed a miracle for them by winning them the league which even the most optimistic fan was not expecting simply because of having one bad season, why can’t Arsenal fire Arsene despite him having several bad seasons?
My point above about motivational speech talks about how our players have had to hear the same voice every day in training, am sure some have even memorised the speech they get after a win or a loss, how do you expect them to maintain the same focus? A good example is how Leicester responded to their new manager, even Barcelona changes their managers too every now and then. Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying we should be like Chelsea where they change managers as often as they change their shirts. But someone can also argue that they are considered more successful in the recent past than any other London clubs.
Some players have started to take the voice for granted, they are tired of trying the same things all the time and expecting different results. Like *did you know Cech has made more errors (6) leading to goal more than any other player not only in England, but also in European top five leagues?* Did he just all of a sudden become a bad player? No! It’s just the wrong systems.
Our manager is stubborn and to be honest if it pricks us like this, don’t you think it does to the players? Every top team in Europe has a natural defensive midfielder, some have even two, only Arsenal don’t have, why? Because our dear Arsene doesn’t want to be advised, for so many years we have been crying out for a proven striker. Now we have arguably two of the most lethal strikers in the world football but we still can’t beat Bournemouth away from home, a team that is not known playing dirty nor defending deep. But still beat us like it’s normal. Don’t you see why the change is needed?
If we will be told to see what Arsene has done for the club, and we should also be told to see what he has done to the club and also what the club has done for and to him. The players needs to hear a different voice for once, they need to try something new for once, and a good example is the Ox. He is not a world beater yet, but if we are to be honest, he is improving as a player. Look at players like Bellerin, Iwobi and Wilshire and you will notice they are stuck in their development, if anything most of the players forms are dropping.
So to conclude, we all deserve respect, let’s respect Arsene, but also he should respect us as his employers. There are no more excuses for him. If it’s money, Leicester and Monaco proved it’s possible to win with a small budget, it’s just tactics and manager/player hunger, we have spent more money than spurs and Liverpool in recent times and they are playing better football and are on top of us right now.
So I think it’s not just about AOBs or AKBs, It’s about our football club and our international identity. Change is the only constant thing. Let’s embrace it brothers and sisters, it could end up with us in a worse situation I agree, but it could also turn us to world beaters again.
Does anyone here agree with the points?
Muha Anko Anko from Kenya.
You have mentioned stagnation of players like ox,bellerin,Iwobi,wilshare all these are average players they lack the skill and they are not technicality gifted these qualities you are born with as talent no manager can give that!In military there are those who are called sharpshooters they are not trained to be so it is in them so your allegations against Wenger is therefore null and void and should be dismissed.It unfortunate that Wenger has worked with so many average players
Lol AKB alert!
It is unfortunate that those players had to play under Wenger.
No…Wenger In. Policy is what needs to change. It is as simple as that. Wenger has still achieved far more than any other coach who has had to work with the so-called average players or fairly limited funds. I need Poch, Alan Pardew, Sam Alladyce, Ron Kohlman, Moyes, Klopp etc to all “show me the trophies”. Sory, Liverpool and Spurs winning “something” this year is good but not enough. They need to go check AW Trophy cabinet in the last 5 years. What we need to now match up with MU, MC and Chelsea is to start to spend well on quality players…change the policy on “hangling” and protracted players negotiations during transfer windows,,,.,tidy up contracts early enough…send on loan…average and struggling players etc. That’s what we need……and that’s down to the Board and AW agreeing to do just that. You have got a good coach …mention 5 coaches around the word (including Simeoni) that have achieved as much as AW with exactly the same caliber of players, same funds regime and consistently. Don’t just jumb on the band wagon blindly. Be objective and realistic guys!!!!
Its unfortunate that we didn’t have a manager who could recognise they are average players and invest in players who could improve the team.
After all its easy to sit and do nothing and spend nothing when your employer is just concerned about bottom line profits.
Wenger is finsihed – done and dusted…
Wenger with his so called experience and brilliance like the akbs will always point out to should have been able to win at least ONE league title in 14 years and ONE european title in 22 years. Every man should know when to quit. Everybody gets old so its not a crime, wenger should retire and stop delaying the invitable. Whether the akbs like it or not, he can’t go on forever so lets give him a sendoff at the end of the season. Even managers like fergie and heynckes who were still winning retired so why should wenger who hasn’t won a title in decades stay on. If the akbs had the chance, they would let wenger stay till he is 100. Wenger out!!
I agree.
What Arsenal need…is Wenger Out
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Truth has been spoken
No…Wenger In. Policy is what needs to change. It is as simple as that. Wenger has still achieved far more than any other coach who has had to work with the so-called average players or fairly limited funds. I need Poch, Alan Pardew, Sam Alladyce, Ron Kohlman, Moyes, Klopp etc to all “show me the trophies”. Sory, Liverpool and Spurs winning “something” this year is good but not enough. They need to go check AW Trophy cabinet in the last 5 years. What we need to now match up with MU, MC and Chelsea is to start to spend well on quality players…change the policy on “hangling” and protracted players negotiations during transfer windows,,,.,tidy up contracts early enough…send on loan…average and struggling players etc. That’s what we need……and that’s down to the Board and AW agreeing to do just that. You have got a good coach …mention 5 coaches around the word (including Simeoni) that have achieved as much as AW with exactly the same caliber of players, same funds regime and consistently. Don’t just jumb on the band wagon blindly. Be objective and realistic guys!!!!
Lexynal. wenger didn’t bring a dmf!! its not about money look at xhaka he is a cmf and is played a dmf (this is manager fault not money not the board not the fans) ozil and ramsey for years have been played out of position. The problem is wenger, and some fans that still beleive in him after 8-2 humilation to man utd and the loss to chelsea bayern liverpool.
OMG here we go again
Wenger BROUGHT these many average players
Wenger COACHED (sic) these many average players
Wenger PICKED these many average players
And you DEFEND HIM?
I need to go back to bed
I knew this argument of Wenger bought these average players will pop-up from the shallow minded without considering that it is attributed by limited funds and therefore all the cheap players are mostly a gamble.
Limited funds?
Have you read Arsenal’s financial reports recently???
kante was cheaper than Xhaka… enough said….
Leicester had limited funds they won the league, Spurs have limited funds and look at the quality players they got, Liverpool has limited funds.
We dont have limited funds, we could have bought better players with the funds we had.
Arsene bought every single player in this team. Arsene didnt develop any young player except Bellerin in a decade. Arsene gives the tactics and the motivation to these players and it doesnt seem to work.
So either the players, the tactics, the training, the motivation or a combination of the above is wrong and the only man in charge for all of the above is Arsene.
Tottenham Quality PLAYERS? beg your pardon.
Pls don’t take this joke too far
Arsenal have been idling as a club in recent times and have been overtaken by those around them at the the top of the league. Currently the squad they have is not good enough to challenge for the title. Irrespective of who is the manager, they need to be reinforced in defence and in the defensive midfield area. However change will only come when ‘Silent Stan’ finally speaks and says he wants things to change.
With all these Wenger in/ our articles on justarsenal, the site might have less visitors after wenger, find something more creative,we’ve read enough about Wenger. Wenger can not coach Arsenal forever.
Wenger is the most successful manager in the league currently he may have taken long to achieve what he has achieved,but there is a reason why arsenal kept him as manager for that long besides major clubs in Europe wanted him.So all these stories that jokers circulates that Wenger is a specialist in failure are scandalous, vexatious and frivolous hence should be treated with contempt worse that a spittle in a dump site
Absolutely!!!Thanks @Counsel
Counsel and Lexynal, what planet d’you come from. Absolutely hilarious comments.
Disgusting comments! You talk utter rubbish. Wenger is the reason this club is sinking down the table. He is indeed a failure, you keep on about FA cups but this great football club is so much more than that limited vision. He has squandered money when given it to spend, has made bad choices in the market and bad choices on the field in terms of tactics. Arsenal existed long before Wenger he did not build this club! He is an employee, a well paid, poorly performing employee. Change is long over due and if that means people like you leave this site then so much the better.As for major clubs in Europe wanting him, how long do you think he would have survived? One poor season and he would have been out, that is the reason he stuck with Arsenal, a power base, total control and no pressure to perform.
100% right Dennis, they’ll never understand, they’ve only been following the club a few years, if that, never heard of George Graham or anybody other than Arsene Wenger, not even worth bothering to educate.
Completely beyond mental help. A flat refusal to call rain wet and grass green is your mental problem. What an affliction! Poor you!
I think Pep Guardiola and Jose Mourinho would be considered the most successful managers “…in the league currently” by a huge margin. Then maybe Wenger, although Rafa Benitez has a Champion’s League victory to his name.
YOU REALLY have understanding!
So, its about WengerIn or What arsenal need
Ok, whatever you choose to believe about Wenger, a change is probably coming, this summer, next or in a year or two.
Personally im hoping it will be sooner and for the better, but I accept that after Wenger goes, things may get worse for a while, while the club adjusts to the new management hierarchy.
What I believe Arsenal need.
Bottom line, a manager who can get the best out of the players at Arsenal, can see the weaknesses in the team and deal with them. Good enough tactically to compete with the bigger teams, with enough experience/achievement to convince the players and the board to listen.
Lets be honest though, Arsenals budget is never going to match Man C, Man U or Chelsea the way things are at the moment, and they already have a lot of young players, some very talented.
So it seems to me that what Arsenal need is a manager who can get the best out of a younger team, only buying in experienced players when we have to. (Wasnt that what the young Wenger did? To a certain extent anyway.)
Sounds a lot like Jardim to me. He’s done well at Monaco and everyone wants the players he brings through, and the rumours are he wants a new/bigger club.
Thats not to dismiss Ancellotti, Allegri or the others, I think they could do very well at Arsenal, especially through a transition period, but Im not sure if they are right for the longer term. Especially with Arsenal where they are at the moment, I dont see buying big name players as the way forward.
Arsenal’s budget HAS matched them.
£60 million for Auba
£55 million for Lacazette
£43 million for Ozil
Not the behaviour of a team struggling to make ends meet…
Check how many >£55 pounds those clubs have/buy in a season you will know Arsenal’s budget has not matched theirs. Think beyond your hatred for Wenger and change before u post a comment. Let’s be realistic
Wenger has been at Arsenal nearly a quarter of a century.
The club NEEDS a change in direction.
Keeping him there is just destroying everything…
Arsenal are so stale and predictable – nothing about them suggests any kind of ambition. It is a club locked in the distant past hoping that that the manager – a man who peaked 15 years ago can rejuvenate the club by applying the same dated principles he used 22 years ago.
Arsenal and Wenger are finished.
We simply CANNOT have a repeat of this season – no one will bother attending the games soon…
some ppl on thise site are just scared of change… we will either be better of or worse of if it happens but that dosent change the fact change is constant…… we need a new manager whoever that will be is the board problem i just want to wake up and see smone else on the touchline that is not too much to ask for after almost a decade and a half for me that is
Alright there was limited funds….plan B should be what Manaco are doing investing on young talents. southampton are also effective in working with young talents……..look to what happened to arsenal young talents they are in diminishing return….now what is left?! nothing Wenge should go a new vibrant manager is what Arsenal deserves.
when divorce is the only beneficial option for both married couples,then it would be a wise choice. yes termination stages are not easier.yes it will be difficult to say goodbye. But here we are to say goodbye to our beloved Wenger.
Wenger is a tired old coach……..in another industry he would have moved on …….or to another position……….football is dynamic……….there are younger coaches out there willing to push harder for a success …….better Wenger’s past achievements……….that’s what Arsenal needs now………not Wenger……….Wenger out……..
“we don’ have a proper DM” so for you Xakha (who have been awsome recently)El neny (very good also) and a very promising mitland -niles are not DM????!!!!!!Some fans have a very limited footballing knowledge….
sorry it was not a reply to you jhonr
Xhaka has been awesome recently?
Sorry must have blinked and missed that.
Because he looks like a headless chicken to me.
Elneny is not Arsenal quality.
Maitland Niles has potential but a stalwart Patrick Vieira type player?
He is a good player and I like him but I don’t think so..
“Ranieri was sacked”so for you anko anko it was a good decision?! are they getting better results since then? as for Chelsea its their spending power that bring them success not managerial changes(i agree Wenger is dogmatic in this).Barcelona in the other hand has an oustandin academy which feed them with inredible talents
@ pires
I disagree with the ranieri comment, if they hadn’t sacked him they could have relegated, they were sinking fast under him. Barcelona just spent ridiculous amounts of money on coutinho and dembele so all top clubs spend money including us, it helps but it doesn’t automatically guarantee success. So stop underestimating the importance of managers. Look at madrid’s team, they have won 3 champions leagues in 4 years, they have spent a lot over the years, but does it take away from zidane’s achievements, NO. Please stop making excuses for wenger’s ineptitude.
The fact that arsene carried the burden of loan repayment on his shoulders quietly speaks volumes of this man. The fact that he was denied funds all these years is well known. The fact that he is being undermined is well known.For me its ivan out first.
very clever mate
@ Gunner22
Ok bro, whatever excuses you want to give is fine, it doesn’t change the fact that its time for a change, it is inevitable, we are only wasting precious rebuilding years. Wenger is old and finished, lacks motivation. Time to move on and send him off at the end of the season. The only constant thing is change so there is no need to be afraid of it as it is coming.
” It’s not about Wenger in or Wenger out, it’s what Arsenal need”. Pardon? Did I read this nonsense right? Wenger OUT is EXACTLY what Arsenal need! And what is more the vast majority of Gooners have known this for some considerable time. A decade and rising, in my own case.
Jon my friend ,who gives you the right to speake in the name of “majority”?!speak in your own name and we will respect your opinion
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Answer to your ignorant question is that several fan opinion polls all give around 88% of Gooners wanting Wenger to leave. Not difficult to find these facts if you are really interested in the actual, factual truth. But I doubt you are from your comments.
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I’ts facts pires and Gunner22 that him the right to talk like that, facts, do the pair of you know the meaning of facts, Google it or do it the old fashion way, look it up in a dictionary.
Jon – even Trump has a 37% approval rating here in the US, so we are bound to have some idiots amongst us who have no relation to facts as well.
Neither they nor us can initiate change at the club. Not even empty seats that have all been paid for can initiate change. Arsenal is not a Democracy, the only person who can pull the trigger is Stan, let’s hope he listens to his son.
be respectful to your fellowarsenal fans, buddy.By the way trump is a W,O,B so the idiots are not necessary who you’r thinking about…..
Pires – You seem to think that all is very well at Arsenal and Wenger still has what it takes to lead Arsenal to glory.
So I ask you a question “mate”
Are you happy being 33 points behind the leaders?
Were you delighted with being knocked out of the third round of the FA cup by Forest?
Are you confident that Arsenal can bridge the 13 point gap to Spurs?
Sorry but the argument of limited funds is a load of crap – 60 million here, 55 million there.
I don’t know how anyone can argue that Arsenal should do anything other than terminate his contract.
The fact that he is still in a job and people like you are finding excuses for keeping him there is an insult to common sense and good business management.
Wenger is finished.
The facts speak for themselves and cannot be denied…
YeH but he has won 74 FA Cups in the last 5 seasons 137 Charity shields in last 2 seasons and he looks very cute in his long coat when he wears it.Whod ya think ur maybe krtiiszizing The Manager who did ‘‘tis for ta club when he cud b da manerga at Reel Madras or at Parwis saint German.Get da reel
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